Quitting Job With Nothing Lined Up
I currently am in a role where I’ve come to realize after 2 years in PE I hate the execution and diligence aspect of the job is not a fit for me.
Looking to move into public markets and wanted to gauge if~$400k saved up (cash burn is fine) and wanting to focus on recruiting is worth it.
No, do not quit without something lined up. Unless your job is toxic to the point where it affects your health, just recruit on the side. It’s an extremely tough job market in publics. Unless you have the background of the top 1% of PE associates with a strong network on the public side, it’s going to be a slog fest to find a role regardless of your fund. Fwiw, I have also been increasingly hearing that PMs want someone who is plug and play i.e already on the public side.
You will get looks because of your background but so will the other bunch of associates with similar backgrounds as yours, so it’s going to be competitive. And I find that PE guys underestimate the quality of a case required to get a good public market role, so in most cases you will have a long recruiting timeline as you have to figure out 1) the right seat for you from a fit perspective 2) refine your cases as you go through processes and learn of the varying expectations for each fund
Out of curiosity, do you have any good resources that show an example of a good case? People on the HF forum always talk about how you need some sort of "edge" and "differentiated view" and that it is not about the modeling, but I've never really seen an actual example that makes the concept of what that looks like concrete...
Some of the older pitches on VIC are good examples. Simple but focus on key items around their thesis.
A good case is one that simply focuses on what matters and extrapolates/drills down on any information related to it to build a thesis that is “differentiated” and lets the thesis drive the trade recommendation, not the other way around. You should be able to pitch a case in less than 2-5 pages.
I’m just making up simple examples here but the differentiation can come through:
These are all obviously very simple examples, but you would be surprised at how many cases fail to offer even a simple thoughtful differentiator.
Some of the worst ones I’ve seen are 1) often based off some weak thesis that revolves around price targets derived off tweaking mgmt’s guide on certain line items by few 100bps here and there or 2) very vaguely say product X will be widely accepted due to a TAM of X without any solid evidence backing it (in my example, the physics and cap allocation was my evidence backing my thesis).
This happens because people pick to go long or short before even doing a bit of work and instead focus all their time on building the most complex model possible. People write 40-50 page memos outlining the business, telling the entire story from day 1, building 1000 line complex models when you really need to focus on 5 line items that drive your thesis.
In consulting, absolutely want to quit my job but this job market is terrible. Also have solid savings and can afford to be unemployed. I just have no idea what I want to do next.
I go in everyday expecting to get an HR email to meet (been on the bench for months). Do the same and just do enough to get by. Keep your mental health in check rather than going above and beyond at work. I'm sort of doing that right now and it's been great. I don't think my boss is very happy with it but we're short-staffed and I know he doesn't have many alternatives in our team that has my background / skillset.
Nothing important to add from my end but am in the same shoes. Absolutely miserable at my job and want to walk out any day without 2 weeks notice.
Based on the most helpful WSO content, your situation is not uncommon, and many professionals in private equity have faced similar crossroads. Here are some key considerations:
Financial Cushion: With ~$400k saved up, you have a solid financial buffer. If your cash burn is manageable and you’re confident in your ability to sustain yourself during the transition, this can provide you with the flexibility to focus on recruiting without the immediate pressure of income.
Recruiting for Public Markets: Transitioning to public markets can be challenging, especially if you’re coming from a private equity background. Public markets roles often value specific skill sets, such as public equities analysis, portfolio management, or trading experience. You may need to position your PE experience in a way that highlights transferable skills like financial modeling, market analysis, and strategic thinking.
Timing and Strategy: Quitting without something lined up can be risky, but it also allows you to dedicate full-time effort to networking, skill-building, and job applications. However, it’s crucial to have a clear plan:
Mental and Emotional Readiness: Leaving a high-paying role like PE can be daunting, especially without a clear next step. Reflect on your long-term goals and ensure this decision aligns with what you truly want in your career and life.
Market Conditions: The job market can be unpredictable. While you may have the financial means to take a break, consider the current demand for roles in public markets and how competitive the landscape is.
Ultimately, if you’re confident in your decision and have a well-thought-out plan, taking the leap can be worth it. However, ensure you’re prepared for the challenges and uncertainties that may come with this transition.
Sources: Any career regrets after moving from PE to public markets?, For seniors who have spent your career in private equity, do you regret it?, Why I Left PE & Switched to the Public Markets, Private Equity or Pizza Equity?, When to call PE recruiting quits?
In the current market no way I would quit w/o a job lined up unless it's impacting your ability to actually recruit.
If you’re willing to quit, then you should also be willing to take an extended vacation/staycation to clear your head and make sure you’re not making a brash decision. What’s the worst thing they do…fire you?
When I was first starting my career, a manager told me (facetiously but kinda true) that whatever you think about your job/company is colored by strictly your last 48 hours of work. Worth taking a step back to reset before making changes that are hard to undo.
same here. my firm has been struggling to raise. the work is soul crushing and partners just golfing all day / doing god knows what
Live your life brother. $400k in the bank at ~27 is phenomenal. You can easily get a great public markets investing seat assuming you were previously at a good shop.
Do not, I repeat do not quit without something lined up. I cannot tell you the amount of APO/KKR/BX associates I know that were pushed out (high performers/sharp people) that have had significant trouble finding a publics role and are still out of a job. Do not do not quit.
And one severely underestimates the difficulty in getting a publics role. Very very hard.
never quit without anything lined up, no matter how easily you think you can get a job. and career breaks look bad on your resume
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