Straight to PE vs doing 1-2 years of IB First
Looking to hear thoughts on the topic from people who took either route.
Long story short, I know I want to do Buyout PE (and have interviews for a few full time roles). However, I am thinking it would maybe be better to stick with my full time EB offer for a year or two, go through the analyst program get the necessary skills and then switch? I feel like it maybe gives broader opportunities if I change my mind. Since I feel like once you switch to the buy side you have to stick with a place for a while and could end up not liking the culture. Also, I feel like doing banking before gives some "credibility" and space to build network.
Thoughts?
My take is top PE > top IB but top IB > mid PE roles. Just think about it, if you were a top candidate and knew you wanted to be on the buyside, why would you spend 1-2 years formatting powerpoints when you can be actually learning from other investors?
What do you consider top PE?
There are multiple forums on this out there. MF PE is incredibly competitive out of college but if you can land an offer it's a no-brainer over IB.
Yes if the offer is good enough and you want to be in an investing seat long term.
I spent six months in IB before moving to the buyside earlier than expected. The work is far more interesting to me and I’ve been glad to get investment reps this early. We approach valuation and analysis with a more critical lens than I did at my old bank which has been enjoyable. I’m spending most of my time writing and modeling instead of working in powerpoint or scheduling calls. We’ve done one large deal per quarter since I joined and it’s been very engaging.
It depends on your goals and what opportunities are available. You could easily get a great offer in on-cycle too if you’re already preparing.
This comment I made awhile ago should be stickied at the top of the website. Basically covers what you are asking:
The PE versus IB debate is an interesting one. The truth is college kids don’t know what they want to do and it’s really hard to say what is actually better for your future. I think the actual answer is it doesn’t really matter contrary to what prospects and others will say, with both having pretty solid pros and cons. Also, both likely can lead to the same path down the line. Most the Megafund PE analysts seem to jump to another Megafund PE firm for associate anyway, or go to a HF. WSO will take this as a prestige debate, but I’m going to tell you some differences in what I learned in IB and PE (although growth) and why despite hating IB I’m actually very glad I did it. My personal take really is it’s actually less meaningful than people think, with potentially IBteaching you a skill set that is beneficial the rest of your life and undergrad megafund PEpotentially being a quite impressive position that gets you to where you want to be sooner. I don’t know if there’s an obvious choice and both are great places to be. I think it’s more a coin flip than people would think based on the benefits of the skill set you get in IB and the ability of both to get to the same end destination.
Background on me, I did IB at a MM and thought when I recruited I was pretty certain I would do PE or broader investing long term. Some of the advice I received from mentors was IB and PEcan often times be similar, but there are subtle differences that can teach different skill sets. I also was told to do mm IB specifically (again really contrary to this website, so hang on!). Doing IB for a little bit could potentially be helpful for making you a better investor in the long run or just an overall more knowledgeable business professional. I sorta knew I would leave IB when I did it, but I was surprised by how much I hated my time in IB. There was less critical thinking, more abuse, less interesting work, worse people, and tons of people who just completely lost sight of the bigger picture. That said, There are a few things I learned that were really important:
Now at a megafund pe job, you likely would learn most these. However, a huge part of investing is the 80/20 rule and further most the time in investing your role is looking at potential investments and saying, “yeah, this one isn’t for us”. So it’s very possible to go to a private equity firm and spend a great deal of time not seeing the process of a company getting bought or sold. People refer to this as deal execution. IB your job is literally deal execution, so you will get more reps seeing processes than you would at a private equity firm, the con is you don’t evaluate opportunities in IB and are always trying to frame a company as great when many aren’t. Further, the reason I say I am glad I did IB is I know how to raise capital and market a business—you wouldn’t learn this at a private equity firm outside of hearing from an investment bank that is helping you sell a portfolio company or participating in a process, which isn’t the same thing. I have assisted numerous early stage and growth companies in creating materials and preparing them for series A, B, and C raises and it’s a skillset that I learned from banking. Had I done PE, I wouldn’t have this skill set and really wouldn’t know how to prep materials or provide advice on a process like an ex-banker would. Ultimately understanding how to fundraise and market a company as well as deception used by banks to make companies look better than they are is a skill set that is invaluable for 1) running/working for a growing company (entrepreneurship, startup work etc.) 2) assisting growing companies (VC, growth equity) 3) to some degree understanding the deception used can be helpful for evaluating opportunities (large-cap PE, other types of private investing).
Now PE will help you be a better critical thinker when IB actively discourages critical thinking. That said, in IB you can look at each deal you are on and think critically about whether you think a company is worth what a buyer is paying for it and what you would pay.
Finally, something that also is very relevant: your first year on the job, you are very useless anywhere and likely won’t really learn about an industry. Notice how some of the biggest skills I listed were outlook/ excel/ ppt proficiency? The truth is no matter how smart a person is, out of undergrad they just need reps writing emails and doing tasks to become effective in a working environment. This takes time, and really makes the first 6 months of a job in any IB firm or PEfirm virtually the same.
You know Megafund PE is arguably the most prestigious position an undergrad can get, which provides superb optionality. There’s some pros to IB and switching as I listed. IB really does suck though and I think would be a more miserable experience than a megafund PE role. Ultimately both are great options and you can’t choose wrong. I think that’s the weirdest part about being an adult—for the first time in your life you need to make a decision that will close doors. Up until the end of college, most your decisions just open doors, but post, you start needing to make choices that will close opportunities. My advice, pro con the paths of each, call people who have had to make that decision before and ask them how they handled it, and trust your gut. The one thing I would caution you on—getting advice from people who are ignorant. This thread will likely have 10+ college undergrads saying “megafund PE for sure” without any idea of the pros and cons. Weight knowledgeable peoples opinions heavier than random ignorant peoples views. Good luck!
Edit: the one other thing I would say is to be careful about maximizing optionality above all else. My favorite type of person is the IB—> buyout PE —> HBS person who has no idea what they want to do with their life despite being almost 30 because they have never listened to their heart and pursued “optionality” above all else. Have a spine and take a chance at some point otherwise you will just be a wondering corporate shell continuously using other peoples definition of success to define your own, which from what I see is the best way to be unhappy and unfulfilled.
Would this all apply to a special sits or growth equity group of considerable size at a MF as well?
Ultimately it’s a sliding scale and hard to know unless you know people who have experienced the shop.
Ultimately, Big, well-known shops have established training programs and capital they need to put to work, so you will get reps and people hiring you know the training you received. Smaller shops can have a lack of structure and while later in your career that can be a pro, it’s really bad early in your career because when starting out you want brand credibility and training.
Niche groups can also be tricky when starting out because you don’t have peers to measure against and the training might be different because the group is specialized.
Kids want to outsmart everyone and do some sort of different entrepreneurial path, but the reality is following a more risk averse path for the first few years of your career is really the smartest thing to do. The key reason being, if you go work at a name brand bank, consulting group, tech firm, etc. Then try something entrepreneurial, you can always fall back on the few analyst years you did in the past and a lot of places will hire you. If you try something off the beaten path earlier, you might never be able to get on the beaten path.
Adding to that last point, I think many people make the mistake of not following their curiosity and following “the path” instead. I was told this early on and, although I’m only 3 years into my career, I’ve stuck to following my curiosity and it’s led me to a role / industry that I really enjoy and am confident I want to build a long-term career in.
People are always so concerned about “exit ops” or getting “pigeon holed” instead of being more concerned about following what you’re interested in. If you do that, soon enough the exit ops won’t matter.
Second this
Curious what type of shops you have interviews at for full time currently? Interested in PE as well but unsure which firms are recruiting. Thanks and good luck.
Your best bet to getting PE from undergrad is to do an internship at a PE shop.
Avoid PE at all costs this decade
Why?
You post this all over this forum. Even if you did believe it, why do you feel so passionate about it that you would go on a private equity forum and post it over and over? I don't mean any disrespect but I hope you are doing OK man.
I hope YOU are doing OK bro
Even if you're just getting into it and are 3-7 years out from receiving carry in any case?
Go straight buyside. IB is not the intellectual finance experience it used to be. All the best bankers end up buy side anyway and many are now skipping banking for buy side.
You’ll be more efficient is developing the most relevant direct skills
I would personally pick IB due to the proven foundation it will give you. Lots of PE analyst programs are hit or miss as far as foundation goes (due to mid-levels / seniors not having the bandwidth to effectively train you), whereas IB is effectively a training camp.
Do you have a PE offer in hand? If so, make sure that it's a legitimate program & offers a chance at promotion. If it doesn't offer promotion, you may be caught out after two years trying to recruit for another PE firm against your banking peers that may have more deal experience & better training than you.
If you don't have a PE offer in hand, 100% take the EB offer instead of risking it trying to land a [very competitive] PE analyst spot. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
I think it depends on the quality of the PE opportunities. If it’s one of the MF buyout analyst roles, I think that would be worth taking over your EB. Otherwise, I’d say stick with the EB.
What would you guys choose between a good team in Barclays/Citi/UBS London or the graduate program at Partners Group?
I know it depends on a lot of factors, but asking what you would choose. Would it be different if it was GS?
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