I'm a junior in highschool, is this a good list of colleges to be applying to for investment banking?
For context I live in Utah so BYU and university of Utah are both safety's, and I will be applying an an international student on the F1 visa. Should I consider Applying to some that aren't on this list, remove some, or change some with others?
U can't apply both Oxford and Cambridge
Wait why, and which one should I pick then?
you just can't. Its a rule. Which one should you pick? Well it depends on your major (Pure Econ or PPE, or E&M), if you done some research on the process, they are very different and require different admissions tests
No sorry, I can only apply to 25 colleges with the common app and 5 with Ucas, so the first 25 are in order of importance for the common app and the last 5 are also in order of importance but separate and for Ucas
Please don’t base your college decision solely on a job you have 0 idea if you’ll still be interested in doing when the time comes.
Your college years are considered some of the best years of your life so focus on: Social scene, location (do u like the town), clubs, student quality of life, diversity, sports, etc.
You seem extremely naive and going to these schools (even the targets you list) don’t guarantee an IB FT job.
You should seriously base your decision on other, more relevant factors.
I that's good advice, and you're right(investment banking isn't something I aspire to do). I just realized really early on that I'm an entrepreneurial kid and into business, I started by mowing lawns and eventually got to the point where I employed my own friends for my business(even though the margins were terrible lol). I'm an Indian citizen tho, so its impossible for me to create my own business or startup without moving back to India because of regulation laws.
And I also realized that Investment Banking(although may be boring) is an excellent pathway into the world of PE where I can still learn about how companies actually work and what makes the successful ones successful without having to move back to India and start my own company, and the money seems to be great as well. And so in my mind I decided to go to an industry that would allow me to stay in the US and make decent money like IB or Law or Med.
I didn't quite like the idea of getting into more debt and going to school for longer than necessary especially since jobs in the banking and tech field exist. The reason I'm so keen on staying in the United states, is because If I can get a job here to sponsor my visa(no matter how bad the working hours or pay) it would become possible for me to become a us citizen since I was born in the Check Republic even though I'm an Indian citizens(idk how that happened) rather quickly since I won't have to wait in the long lines for Indian immigrants.
I just need something that will let me stay in the US for a few years and give me some decent cash while I'm at it so I can pursue my real dream of starting a company.
So to be honest you are completely right, but I'd be more than ok dealing with the long hours or the conditions because it would allow me to pursue my passions sooner. I also don't much care about the social life because I'd say I'm decent at adapting to situations, and honestly I don't much care what the location or social scene are like and I don't play sports, because I'm just looking for school's that will let me network with more people from a higher social status than that of myself. Idk if that's the best route, but it is what it is. If you have any suggestions for any other industries that would let me do that I would be grateful but that's about what my thought process looked like to decide to get into IB.
Cool story man - you still ignored every point I made above. Deciding what school to attend 100% based on career opportunities isn’t a wise idea.
But hey, create your own destiny Mr.Hardo.
Good luck with PE
If you’re from Utah and Mormon then BYU is a good school. I wouldn’t take any non ivy’s or non targets over it
NYU , Georgetown, and higher ranked schools are where you can have a debate
BYU is not even comparable to Georgetown and Stern. I wouldn't even take BYU over UNC/BC lol.
Don’t do banking. Especially if you already got that mormon money
lol no I'm hindu
You only need to apply to 2-3 safeties, anything more than that wastes time/money. I applied to ~25 schools, including UCs, and shotgunned many reaches. It worked out. Universities with undergraduate business schools like Stern, Ross, and Haas tend to be more selective than the College of Arts & Science. I don't think this makes a difference for UPenn and Cornell. There are schools like Williams, Amherst, Northwestern, Notre Dame, and other Ivy Leagues you could look into and apply to. Swap it with some schools in the target/safety section, like IU, SMU, and Texas A&M.
Alright, I switched out CMU and Texas A&M with Northwestern and Amherst respectively
That's $1,875+ in application fees. Do you see an issue in that? Big business in selling hopes and dreams!
It's super easy to get a fee waiver tho if you're low income
Add more target schools: Dartmouth, Duke, Columbia, Northwestern, Brown, etc
I think you're applying to too many non/semi-target schools. IU Kelley isn't that hard to get into, it should be a safety if you have good stats/extracurriculars. I don't think you should bother with UT-Austin because they don't take that many out-of-state students, let alone McCombs. BC/USC/UCLA are good schools, but they aren't target schools for NYC if that's what you care, target schools for IB. You could be more ambitious/bold in your school choices if you think you have a strong application. If I were you, I would limit my safety to ~2 schools and apply to a few more IB target/T20 schools.
Big piece of advice: you being an international on a visa is really going to hurt your chances. It's sad but it's the reality. And since this is happening, you need to apply to as many targets and reaches you can. Keep 3-4 safeties max (but do it like this, if you got into NOTHING else, would you be happy going to one of them?).
But yeah otherwise pick out your ED/ ED 2 carefully. I recommend UChicago, Cornell, or Northwestern ED. And UChicago ED 2 if you ED somewhere else and it doesn't work out. Apply to as many schools EA if you can. I'm sure your application is very strong as you are setting your sights on these schools, but just make sure your essays are top notch. Since you have these many schools you will be writing SOOO many essays, so make sure they are all top notch. They can make or break your application and really need to tie together your story. You don't have to apply finance everywhere, consider economics or things related. It depends what story your EC's tell right. I'm sure you know all this.
I knew that applying with a visa would significantly hurt my chances, but I was under the impression that I shouldn't be applying EA or ED to any of my colleges because I'm not a genius or a hard ship case or an athlete, would it increase my chances since I's be applying on the F1 visa?
And also for context, I currently have a 3.925 gpa, my school offers the International Baccalaureate program so I'm doing that as well, I'm self studying for ap macro, competing in debate and a history club this year(I just like history and I watch a lot of debates as it is and thought it would be cool to do a few), and here is a list of my extra curriculars generated by College Vine:
While it is true that ED results are skewed b/c of legacies, athletes, and insane applicants, it doesn't hurt to test your chances. If you want to go to the schools I mentioned, then def ED there. It'll increase your chances a bit and could land you a spot. But definitely EA to everywhere you can, off the top of my head I believe UMich, USC, UNC, UF, and UT Austin have it. This will increase your chances heavily.
Your stats look good, is your SAT competitive? And the EC's are solid, I see a trend of social media, entrepreneurship, and finance. Lean into the social media and teaching people part heavily. If you can write an essay or two about how you are using social media to teach people the RIGHT things that could be interesting. You seem to have an approach to social media about using it the right way, that could be interesting too. Just don't focus your stuff too much on random clubs and your stock portfolio, those are pretty common and will get you lost in a sea of other Indian applicants. Stand out somehow and show your impact through all these EC's. I think it might be good to say you want to do some career like this, not PE or IB. But about teaching people or being professor or being consultant for companies needing to improve image. Something that's not the basic bs you know.
Here is what I think college list should look like:
Reach: UChicago, UPenn (could do Wharton or non-Wharton. IMO might be better to do non-Wharton you have better shot at that), Cornell, Georgetown, Princeton. I say also add 2-3 of these: Northwestern, Amherst, Williams, Brown, Duke, Dartmouth.
High Target: UCB, UVA, UMich, NYU, USC, UCLA, Vanderbilt, UT Austin (McCombs out of state is so low). I say add WashU and consider ED2, also UNC or Notre Dame. With these schools, for IB just know there will be insane amounts of competition. They place very well but you will have to work your tail off and it'll be a "sweatier" environment just cuz so many kids want to do finance/are nepo/a lot of these places have business schools like Haas, McIntire, and Stern.
Target: Boston College. I say add UF as well (decent for IB)
Low Target: IU Bloomington (decent for IB but sooo much competition)
Safety: Whatever 3-4 you want.
As someone else already mentioned, your extracurriculars aren't impressive-level but they're good. Storytelling would be significant in differentiating you from other applicants. Pick a school to ED I that you think you have a somewhat chance to get into. If that didn't work out, you still have ED II that you can apply to (e.g., UChicago, Vanderbilt). You should also apply to EA for the public schools (e.g., UMich, UVA) as it would slightly increase your odds of getting in. Admissions is half luck and half skill. AOs could reject you, not because of your extracurriculars or academics, but for "fit" reasons, meaning they don't think you fit into the college.
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Do you need financial aid? If so, state schools are a no go, and make sure to apply to all 9 needblind schools: Harvard Yale Princeton MIT Amherst Dartmouth Bowdoin Brown Notre Dame
Most likely I will be doing a combination of student loans and my parents helping me.
unless you are planning to go to med school you should consider working on your handwriting, its genuinely shit
Lmao ok, do you have any tips for how I could get better of if there is anything is particular I could practice?
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