Villanova or Claremont McKenna MSF program?

Which MSF program would you recommend for someone who went to a non-target undergrad who wants to break into either Asset Management or equity research? I would prefer to live on the West Coast in the long run, but I am geographically flexible for at least the first 10 years of my career. The biggest factor for me in school choice is the best job placement in my field of interest.

 

Congrats on both acceptances, both are great schools.

I would definitely go with Claremont for West Coast recruiting. Much stronger network in SF and LA than Villanova.

“Millionaires don't use astrology, billionaires do”
 

Novice,

I was hoping to hear from someone who went to the program, since the list doesn't fully answer everything I wanted to know(like for example, did the kids who go there get the jobs as a result of cmc or as a result of their undergrad contacts). No need to be f*cking sarcastic about things.

 

You are "supposed" to have done a bunch of calculus courses but i don't think that matters much. Placements are a combo of CMC's network and personal network.

 
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Thanks for the replies. The one concern I have with Claremont is that most of their students still do not have jobs or are going to big 4/ops types of positions. It may account for how often CMC updates this, but for the high quality of the students who attend there, it worries me.

Living in California is nice, but its more important that I'm doing front office asset management, equity research, or s&t in that order of preference. I plan on moving back anyway when I start a fund of my own.

http://www.cmc.edu/mastersinfinance/prospective_students/profiles/2011/

 

[quote=YoungHedge]Thanks for the replies. The one concern I have with Claremont is that most of their students still do not have jobs or are going to big 4/ops types of positions. It may account for how often CMC updates this, but for the high quality of the students who attend there, it worries me.

Living in California is nice, but its more important that I'm doing front office asset management, equity research, or s&t in that order of preference. I plan on moving back anyway when I start a fund of my own.

http://www.cmc.edu/mastersinfinance/prospective_students/profiles/2011/…]

I've been quite concerned about the placement stats this year as well. Have you talked to any alumni or current students?

 
draculallvm][quote=YoungHedge]Thanks for the replies. The one concern I have with Claremont is that most of their students still do not have jobs or are going to big 4/ops types of positions. It may account for how often CMC updates this, but for the high quality of the students who attend there, it worries me.</p> <p>Living in California is nice, but its more important that I'm doing <span class=keyword_link><a href=//www.wallstreetoasis.com/finance-dictionary/what-is-the-front-office-fo>front office</a></span> <span class=keyword_link><a href=//www.wallstreetoasis.com/finance-dictionary/what-is-asset-management-AM>asset management</a></span>, <span class=keyword_link><a href=//www.wallstreetoasis.com/finance-dictionary/equity-research-overview>equity research</a></span>, or s&amp;t in that order of preference. I plan on moving back anyway when I start a fund of my own.</p> <p><a href=http://www.cmc.edu/mastersinfinance/prospective_students/profiles/2011/[/quote rel=nofollow>http://www.cmc.edu/mastersinfinance/prospective_students/profiles/2011/…</a>:

I've been quite concerned about the placement stats this year as well. Have you talked to any alumni or current students?

claremont over villanova. very easy choice. most of the students this year have something lined up. gs high yield syndicate, ms dcm, hw, hl, and then some. all okay firms. this coming from someone who has somewhat of a beef against the school.
 

GS Lev Fin MS IBD Harris Williams IBD HLHZ IBD CTC Trading E&Y Consulting BOC IBD Amgen Corp Fin ...and some others. Most people got exactly what they wanted.

Interviews at:

all of the above + Mckinsey, Bain, BCG, UBS, Citi, DRW, PIMCO, Lazard, Soc.Gen, BNP Paribas, BlackRock and a whole bunch of others

The networking trips 2012 class will be earlier, i.e. firms will actually consider you. This year networking trips were in November and so recruiting was done.

 
insight123:
GS Lev Fin MS IBD Harris Williams IBD HLHZ IBD CTC Trading E&Y Consulting BOC IBD Amgen Corp Fin ...and some others. Most people got exactly what they wanted.

Interviews at:

all of the above + Mckinsey, Bain, BCG, UBS, Citi, DRW, PIMCO, Lazard, Soc.Gen, BNP Paribas, BlackRock and a whole bunch of others

The networking trips 2012 class will be earlier, i.e. firms will actually consider you. This year networking trips were in November and so recruiting was done.

Cool! Thanks a lot

 
draculallvm:
insight123:
GS Lev Fin MS IBD Harris Williams IBD HLHZ IBD CTC Trading E&Y Consulting BOC IBD Amgen Corp Fin ...and some others. Most people got exactly what they wanted.

Interviews at:

all of the above + Mckinsey, Bain, BCG, UBS, Citi, DRW, PIMCO, Lazard, Soc.Gen, BNP Paribas, BlackRock and a whole bunch of others

The networking trips 2012 class will be earlier, i.e. firms will actually consider you. This year networking trips were in November and so recruiting was done.

Cool! Thanks a lot

these placements are somewhat inflated. ms dcm, not ib. gs is also in capital markets. more of a pricing role rather than traditional modeling-intensive levfin. hlhz is not in their advisory group (ib). and many of the listed interviews are from non-master's students.
 
insight123:
GS Lev Fin MS IBD Harris Williams IBD HLHZ IBD CTC Trading E&Y Consulting BOC IBD Amgen Corp Fin ...and some others. Most people got exactly what they wanted.

Interviews at:

all of the above + Mckinsey, Bain, BCG, UBS, Citi, DRW, PIMCO, Lazard, Soc.Gen, BNP Paribas, BlackRock and a whole bunch of others

The networking trips 2012 class will be earlier, i.e. firms will actually consider you. This year networking trips were in November and so recruiting was done.

Most people got exactly what they wanted.

EY Consulting (really)???

Amgen corp. fin (really)???

im sure the kid that interned at goldman actually wanted to go FT at Prager, Sealy, and co.

IVY for Life
 

I talked to the placement officials today and the class of 2011 all have placed in bulge bracket positions (mostly ibanking or consulting). Geographically neutral, which school is better for equity research, equity s&t, or asset management? I just found out I got scholarship from CMC which eliminates the cost difference between the schools (slightly leaning towards CMC when posting this).

 
YoungHedge:
I talked to the placement officials today and the class of 2011 all have placed in bulge bracket positions (mostly ibanking or consulting). Geographically neutral, which school is better for equity research, equity s&t, or asset management? I just found out I got scholarship from CMC which eliminates the cost difference between the schools (slightly leaning towards CMC when posting this).
most of that stuff exists in nyc or chicago. i would say if you want to do trading and such. stick around nyc. while cmc might be the "better" school, i would say geography is a little more important. really? those previous posts had only 2-3 bulge bracket offers listed.
 

I'm a student in the Claremont program. The placement is not inflated.

LevFin at GS is not capital markets; they are two different groups. (Some firms are organized that way; not all.) It's true that levfin does less modeling than industry groups at GS, but they work with financial sponsors a lot. Analysts in the levfin group are industry-specific. It's not a pricing role. There's a lot of movement b/w LF industry group and the industry group. They have good placement with PE and hedge funds.

The student that got Amgen turned down an offer from JPM, and Amgen actually was his first choice. He has a ridiculously high salary, benefits, starting bonus, and stock options. He'll have a forty-hour work-week, live in SoCal, and make more money starting than the IBD analysts.

Not everyone in the program tried hard to find a job. Those that put the effort in from the get-go have good jobs.

 
mooshuchyken:
I'm a student in the Claremont program. The placement is not inflated.

LevFin at GS is not capital markets; they are two different groups. (Some firms are organized that way; not all.) It's true that levfin does less modeling than industry groups at GS, but they work with financial sponsors a lot. Analysts in the levfin group are industry-specific. It's not a pricing role. There's a lot of movement b/w LF industry group and the industry group. They have good placement with PE and hedge funds.

The student that got Amgen turned down an offer from JPM, and Amgen actually was his first choice. He has a ridiculously high salary, benefits, starting bonus, and stock options. He'll have a forty-hour work-week, live in SoCal, and make more money starting than the IBD analysts.

Not everyone in the program tried hard to find a job. Those that put the effort in from the get-go have good jobs.

Who is this clown? Is this that girl that's going to Goldman LevFin?
 

I hate claremont b/c i wanted to go there and my high gmat wasn't good enough because I'm a couple years older than the average person there and didn't goto claremont undergrad or stanford or ucla. fuck them.

 
TW Pepper:
I hate claremont b/c i wanted to go there and my high gmat wasn't good enough because I'm a couple years older than the average person there and didn't goto claremont undergrad or stanford or ucla. fuck them.

Hey, this is ridiculous. I went to an utterly no-name school and got no problem with admission. Maybe you didn't apply by the priority deadline when they had more open slots, bro?

 

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