Answering questions PE in Spain

Good morning to all,
I am open to give back to the community by answering (most of) questions about PE.
About myself, ending my second year as an investment analyst at a MM Spanish PE. Prior to this I was an off-cycle analyst while finishing my master's degree in industrial engineering. Did some internships in industrial companies and consulting.

 
 
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Hey, thanks for doing this!

I’m currently working as a PE analyst ( hopefully soon to be associate) in Portugal, and would eventually like to move to Spain.

I’ve been following quite some funds in Spain (portobello, sherpa, etc), and night have some questions:

1) I know that many of these funds operate in all Iberia. Would you think a Portuguese speaker could break into PE in Spain? My Spanish knowledge is intermediate, meaning I can fully understand but I have a rather basic level when it comes to maintaining a conversation.

2) How’s compensation like? As a first year associate in Portugal I can expect to make around 75-85k all in. Are salaries in Spain for MM in line with these?

Thank you once again for your help!

 

Hi jjmnj!

Totally correct, usually Spanish PE fund have an investment area that covers iberia (Spain + Portugal). However, apart from Sherpa I think that most of MM PE only do 1 investment (2 max) per fund. Most of your coverage/origination will be within Spanish companies and for that it will be helpfull to improve your Spanish.

Compensation should be similar, maybe a little bit higher. This depends if your firm gives you share of the carry or not.

At the end: A + B + C = aprox the same in all firms. Therefore higher annual comp if not receive carry but less exposed to long-term upside.

A: annual base salary; B: annual bonus; C: annualization of carry

Hope this helps

 

Hi OP! I'm an MSc in Finance graduate starting an off-cycle internship at a MM boutique in Madrid (mostly M&A). I expect to become a FT analyst after 6 months. What is the average salary for first year analysts in Madrid? I can't really find any info on this. Is there a big difference between BBs and boutiques? I guess the BBs only have regional offices in Madrid.. whereas working for a boutique like mine would enable me to gain more deal exposure. What's your take on this?

 

The friends I know working at some of the BBs in Madrid have a 65k EUR base as A1, not 55k...

For MM PE in Madrid if you come from a MM IB Boutique you will compete against Big4 peers, the deal exposure is not that important as the brand name when it comes to getting opportunities in such a small and competitive world (You will also find MBB consultants trying to make their way in, so there´s a huge competition for decent funds, making the branding a very important thing. Also large deals usually bring complexity and more workstreams that can lead to better exits, and normally in this market those are covered by BBs, sometimes EBs and local banks such as BBVA or Santander)

If you try to go for a UMM / MF you will have a big trouble to recruit if you dont come from a EB/BB so try to think about what exit opps you are looking for and try to make a move if needed (if you are not dead-set on UM/MF you should be fine for LMM)

 

There are some but quite small and you will have a real pay cut.

Spanish is needed as most are just analyzing the Iberia market, would be a wise choice to start learning Spanish if this is your goal

 

Thanks for the AMA, very helpful

I would like to ask what you think is the best way of approaching PE recruitment in Spain as an IB associate at a BB in London. How doea it usually work?

How common is it that the major European funds (Advent, Civen etc..) recruit for their Spanish office?

Many thanks!

 

Cinven has 6 people at their Madrid´s office if I am not wrong, same for Advent. This year Cinven hired an analyst and expanded a little bit the office, but still they are very small, and most of them are seniors, so expect no turnover or very little.

 

Yes, networking is definitively very important because it is a shadow market.

Most PE prefer former M&A bankers or management consultants with 2-3 years of experience.

As already mentioned in other posts, being foreigner is only a liability if you are not fluent in Spanish. Additionally, I would say that having a local network is an asset that is harder to have as a foreigner.

 

Thank you for your post.

I am a non-target undergraduate currently trying to get a summer internship for next summer. It would be possible for me to get one in Private Banking (thanks to networking), but I also want to try my luck in getting one in PE, M&A, AM, MBB or related in Spain or the UK?  Should I try networking more? What do you recommend? I don't mind the firm not being top tier, as I want to learn and gain an insight to see what kind of role I would like the most.

Thank you.

 

You're welcome. It depends on what you want to do next. If you envision yourself doing private banking in the mid-term, I would suggest you the internship you mentioned. If you want to do VC/PE or M&A, I would highly recommend you to look for an internship in an M&A or PE.

As it is widely spread thoughout different posts, networking is often the key to land a desired internship. 

Hope it helps

 

Hi, thanks for taking the time out to answer some questions. 

I'm a Native Spanish & English speaker (US undergrad, semi-target). I got an offer for Summer IB 2022 (rising undergrad junior). Have thought about PE in the future after the 2-3 IB stint. How can I best prepare myself for PE in Spain? I saw you commented to be on the M&A group, what about ECM or Industrials? - they seem to get a good deal flow. Also, how would you compare the Spain PE vs US PE culture? I've thought of the possibility of working abroad and would appreciate any advice you may have.

 

hi, I think that the best way to secure a full-time offer at a PE firm after 2-3 IB stint is to previously do an internship. And for that, you need networking.

Regarding your second question, I think there are better posts that explain advantages and disadvantages of M&A vs. ECM or Industrials. In my opinion, any of them would work.

Lastly, I would say that tickets in Spanish PE are lower than tickets in USA which in the end results in a slightly different work. Regarding with culture, I think it varies from firm to firm rather than from country to country. Never been in american PE, so I think I can add very little to that.

Hope it helps

 

Hi, thanks for coming back tot his after a year. 

I am an AM analyst at an American BB in NYC. I went to Spain for three weeks post grad this year and absolutely loved the vibes and would love to move to Madrid for a year or two. My spanish is not great (lot of funky grammar) but I took 6 years of it across middle, hs, and college and was at a much higher level back then so am fairly confident in being able to pick it up again. 

Given I am an AM analyst investment analyst it is difficult to move to any sort of high finance role in the US let alone in another country. I was wondering what the IM scene looks like in Madrid and what the best steps I can take to potentially set myself up for a move 2-3 years from now? 

 

Hi gelport, como va todo? Thank you very much for returning into this post. I wanted to ask a few questions, first would be: When people share their salary or comp, talking about 60-70k, is that post-tax? How much are salaries and compensation in PE (aproximadamente pero que me pueda hacer una idea), and second, as someone who is studying in Spain (is from Spain), how hard is to enter in PE scene after working on IB in Madrid/London, and do you think it has great future (the industry) in Spain?

 

Hi there! I answer below:

1) comps are gross/pre-tax

2) For spanish mid-market PE, including bonus and without considering carry: analyst level 40-65k€ / associate level 65-90k€ / senior associate 90k€-120k€ / ID >120k€

3) PE industry is always looking for talent, specially coming from top IB shops. Not best timing as many PE funds are currently in fundraising and fundraising is being quite hard due to macro environment + stock market valuations (to understand this better look for "denominator effect in fundraising"). As well, PEs are primarily looking to hire women as investors are demanding to be closer to parity in investment teams (50% male / 50% female). Last but not least, consider that you should be willing to reduce your fixed salary + bonus because in IB is usually higher (although it should compensate in mid/long-term with carry). In order to maximize opportunities to enter PE, I would recommend to network as much as you can with peers in the industry as recruiting is mostly done in the shadows and in the end it is a networking business where people want to work with people they like

4) I'd rather stay bullish on PE future outllok because of the following: i) PE industry still not as mature as in other EU countries, ii) in Spain there are mostly SMEs are there is still room for consolidation, iii) GDP growth outlook for Spain higher than EU and inflation outlook below EU, iv) Iberia has lowest cost of labour in occidental Europe...

 

Hi, I'm a PE intern in London from a top Bschool but I'm looking to move to Spain. Have a few questions:

  1. Is knowing Spanish necessary to work in PE in Spain?
  1. Any advice on how to reach out to headhunters, or how to network with PE professionals there?

3.Would you know if PE firms sponsor non EU citizens?

Thanks!

 

Hi there,

1. In order to do PE in Spain I think knowing Spanish is fundamental (the smaller the target size, the more important it becomes). Bear in mind that Spanish ecosystem is mainly composed by SMEs and that people over 50 years old are not as fluent in English as their peers in other European countries

2. Linkedin or local networking events

3. Never heard of PE firms sponsoring non EU citizens. However I guess it could be possible if really interested

Bear in mind that PE jobs are long-term and firms seek stability in their teams. Therefore, local and native candidates will always have an advantage as a foreigner will be seen as more likely to relocate unless they are married with a local/native or other similar personal arrangement

 

Hello gelport, thanks for the post. Could you share the name of some MM Spanish funds based in Madrid? I know Portobello & Sherpa, but I don’t know about the rest / the order to rank the following funds.

Secondly, how would a mbb manager/project leader transfer to PE? In terms of the conversion of the title and comp. I would assume senior associate, is this right?

thanks!

 

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