Comments (50)

Jun 30, 2015

Finally, someone asks this! It's about time rankings were brought up on WSO.

Jul 19, 2015

.

Jun 30, 2015

I would say with rising interest rates and a lot of focus on financial institutions in the next several years, FIG at JPM or GS would be interesting and highly sought after. Also deal making hit an all time high in 2Q15 so I cant imagine this will continue at this pace for the next several years.

Just my take though man.

    • 1
Best Response
Jul 19, 2015

Probably the ones next to any windows... or near the exit...

"...all truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

  • Schopenhauer
    • 2
Jul 19, 2015
seabird:

Probably the ones next to any windows... or near the exit...

HAHAHAHAH I laughed out in a library, fuck you :))))

"Every man should lose a battle in his youth, so he does not lose a war when he is old"

Jul 19, 2015

.

Jul 19, 2015

lol fucking seabird. u are funny shit

Jun 30, 2015

GS Ops, MS Fund Services Account Manager, JPMChase bank teller at Times Square

Array

Jul 19, 2015

for GS, it is not TNT
its TMT. All of goldman's other groups are pretty good too.

JPM is very good at energy/nat res

MS good at FIG and TMT as well.

CMG is largest at lehman; might not be the best. The two best are Nat Res and FIG in my opinion.

Jul 19, 2015

At LEH, CMG, Nat Res, Consumer/Retail and FIG

Jul 19, 2015

whats TMT at GS?

Jul 19, 2015

telecom, media, tech

Jul 19, 2015

MS: M&A & RE?

Jul 19, 2015

Goldman's TNT group is legit, they are in on all the major dynamite deals.

Jul 19, 2015

MS best group: M&A execution
JPM best group: M&A execution/Leveragd Finance
I would choose JPM over MS..

Jul 19, 2015

i thought LevFin is getting hit really badly across the board and wont be hiring much... from my understanding they took zero SAs in JPM SLF this year.

i hear coverage groups like FIG and CHR are pretty good at JPMorgan

Jul 19, 2015

Read WSJ.. LevFin is starting to stabilize..

Jul 19, 2015

i love the fact that there is not one "star" member who replied.

this is a vapid thread.

Jun 30, 2015

Janitor is the best group for each

Jul 19, 2015

Top group at JPM is M&A and sponsors at CS. IF you care about exit opps., I'd try getting into M&A at UBS also instead of HC.

Jul 19, 2015
scotttwibell:

Top group at JPM is M&A and sponsors at CS. IF you care about exit opps., I'd try getting into M&A at UBS also instead of HC.

He's right. If you care about exit opps.

Because if you are not in these particular groups, you will certainly be unemployed for life after your 2 years an analyst. You're just worthless if you didn't work in JPM's M&A group...you're life is over.

Jul 19, 2015

i dont think JPM m&a is the best.... its all transaction execution, not much thought or deal pitching/strategizing. im sure its great but it isnt necc. the best the bank offers.

plus-WHO CARES

livin large in miami

Jul 19, 2015
glee:

i dont think JPM m&a is the best.... its all transaction execution, not much thought or deal pitching/strategizing. im sure its great but it isnt necc. the best the bank offers.

transaction execution is the best way to learn for a junior banker... you don't really learn from pitching until you become more senior.

analysts in coverage aren't exactly strategizing big picture with the Cxx's of the world -- they're spreading comps and doing business profiles

Jul 19, 2015

The bad part is the hours might suck- BUT this is investment banking and the work should be more relevant.

Jul 19, 2015

many of them have more hours than the average group at any of the banks

Jul 19, 2015
jj80:

many of them have more hours than the average group at any of the banks

more hours = more learning. at the end of the day, you should be lookin for learning opportunities at a first job out of college. build some human capital.

Jul 19, 2015

that isn't necessarily true. a lot of it is just more BS that you have to deal with. the hours aren't necessarily bad because its a top group, but because some of the top groups don't have the best culture for a lot of people...

Jul 19, 2015
jj80:

that isn't necessarily true. a lot of it is just more BS that you have to deal with. the hours aren't necessarily bad because its a top group, but because some of the top groups don't have the best culture for a lot of people...

agree; not necessarily true, but all things being equal if you work more hours usually it means there is more work to be done, which will result in you learning more.

Jul 19, 2015

hehe...wow, even after one gets into the top groups, its human nature to find faults..anyways!

Jul 19, 2015

is a big time sweat shop. 95+ hrs a week is standard from what people in the group have told me and all-nighters are common...the head of the group is insane and very demanding

with that said, UBS hc is the top HC group on the street

Jul 19, 2015
iambateman:

with that said, UBS hc is the top HC group on the street

How do you figure that?

Jul 19, 2015
iambateman:

is a big time sweat shop. 95+ hrs a week is standard from what people in the group have told me and all-nighters are common...the head of the group is insane and very demanding

with that said, UBS hc is the top HC group on the street

95+ a week is not a "big time sweatshop" in my opinion. 95 is about average for me. That being said, UBS has a great HC franchise. Not sure about how it's doing YTD, but in 2006 UBS HC was not #1 in M&A #deals or deal volume, they were #3, I believe.

Jul 19, 2015

For the original poster to think that media has little activity and small deal size clearly shows how limited his knowledge of dealmaking happens to be (hmmmm... VNU, Univision, Tribune, yard sale at Primedia, Clear Channel, Sirius-XM, etc.)

Regarding telcos, the fact that they change names has extremely little bearing on finding info on them (thank you Factiva and public filings) and won't alone warrant 3AM's constantly.

As you're clearly a student who wants banking (yet is obviously naive about what is going on in various sectors and acts as a pundit on the matter), maybe you should focus on just reading threads rather than writing in them.

Jun 30, 2015

Personally would not take FIG at JPM over HC/DI/M&A

    • 1
    • 1
Jul 19, 2015

I just tried it and there are about 50 different posts about it so try again

Jul 19, 2015

Use less commas.

Jul 19, 2015

who cares - just go to the group that you click with best

Jul 19, 2015

"Your search yielded no results. Try some other criteria and be sure search terms are not common words or too short."

I just got that when I searched.

Anyone have an answer to my question though?

Jul 19, 2015

Top groups at Goldman, in no order: TMT, FIG, Industrials, Healthcare... Many of their groups are considered "Good". It would be redundant to list each and every one.

MS: M&A, Real Estate, FIG/Industrials are 2nd to Goldman, Healthcare.

Just look at the league tables.

Jul 19, 2015

Thanks for your help. I thought JPM Industrials was the best though? Also, Goldman doesn't have an M&A group. But yeah, I understand what you mean by "redundant."

Jul 19, 2015

[quote=baloogafish]Top groups at Goldman, in no order: TMT, M&A, FIG, Industrials, Healthcare... Many of their groups are considered "Good". It would be redundant to list each and every one.
MS: M&A, Real Estate, FIG/Industrials are 2nd to Goldman, Healthcare.
Just look at the league tables.

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about if you say GS M&A is one of GS's best groups.

Jul 19, 2015

Yes... my bad... did not mean M&A

Jun 30, 2015

Rankings are dumb. Very dumb. You would be beyond lucky to be in almost any group at any of these banks. Yes, FIG will be hot but so will healthcare. And M&A in general is hardly expected to slow down. In other words, there are a huge amount of great groups available that will have excellent upcoming deal flow and recruiting prospects at all three of these banks (as well as other banks, of course).

Jul 1, 2015
Comment
Jul 1, 2015