Credit Suisse demise - least attractive bank

This is clearly a troll (“therefore, CS should not be considered a BB anymore”) but I’ll entertain it anyway. 
 

Please don’t spread misinformation.

If you look at any recent league table (I just did this), no matter the source, CS is 6th or 7th, significantly above UBS and DB. Significantly. 
 

the buy-side claim is completely unsubstantiated. Perhaps buy-side reputation will catch up in a few years but it’s illogical to think it has already degraded. Analyst 1s and 2s at CS signed their contract 2-3 years ago.. if talent were to avoid going to CS, it won’t manifest for 2-3 years at least. My UMM GE shop (west coast) just had a conversation about banks for the upcoming A2 cycle and we have CS ranked where we have every other year even considering this: among the best of the non-GS,MS,JPM  bulge brackets (although this is a tech-centric ranking). 
 

the claim of IB being “shut down” in 2-3 years is equally unreasonable. If you’re going to comp CS to UBS and DB (much closer comp to Barcap at the moment), recognize that after their respective fiascos and IB skepticism that they are still fully operating in IB. 

Lastly, I won’t fail to recognize that CS has a lot to overcome given senior departures and shareholder skepticism of the investment bank, but this situation has been developing in real-time and it is way too premature judgements about league tables in 5 years. It should be pretty obvious, however, that reputation (especially among the buy side) lags league tables by a handful of years. Given CS’s historically strong buy-side reputation, I would expect it to take even longer, on top of the talent-cycle delay ive already discussed. 
 

Keep your eyes on the talent reshuffle and language from the CEO on the future of IB, but your claims are way ahead of schedule and, at the moment, just false. 

Clearly a troll lmaoo no post history and no SBs. 
 

“once the best Swiss bank” “should no longer be classified as a bulge bracket”

get off WSO with your burner account. 
 

look at any league table, you’re just wrong. I have no skin in this game but you’re just talking absolute BS

fwiw i cover a major MF for a BB and we are really pushing to gain wallet share with the fund since CS has been losing traction in LBO land. so OP may be a bit overdramatic but there is some truth to CS losing market share.

inb4 the "RBC now a BB" dude

I have it on good word that the UBS Bull or Bear girl made this post.

Work at an EB so no horse in the race, but, while this OP is obviously full of shit, I think there is some factual backing to the post? I don’t think CS is going anywbere now, but I think if I were a sophomore recruiting for IB I would be a bit more skeptical given the ~5y trajectory it seems like CS IB is on. Again, I’m not attacking you analysts there now who signed years back, but I would personally be a bit wary?

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I entered ER at CS right as they were reshuffling the department and Tijane (then CEO) was restructuring the firm to better align the investment bank with wealth management. I voiced my concern to this forum and the consensus reassured me that research will still be a priority and a key point to the firm's strategy. Overall, that sentiment was true I ended up sticking with my return offer at CS instead of trying to jump ship BUT I completely underestimated the headcount/corporate chaos that would pursue with such a strategy change.

During my time there, half the floor turned over with senior analysts leaving left and right. Once again, the general consensus was "yes there's turnover but just at the upper management level since junior headcount is cheap" which logically made sense but ~1 year into my job full-time, 25% of my analyst class was let go in the midst of the chaos. I was almost culled except my senior analyst vouched for me pretty hard. 

So my warning is this: Yes, CS will likely still be a BB after this chaos and they'll come out right but the friction that would occur because of reorganization cannot be taken lightly, even as a junior. I would take a steady MM shop over a reorganizing BB where you're looking over your shoulder before you can even jump to PE or whatever.

Is CS worse than DB now?

IDK man my former roommate works there and won't even talk about the Archegos stuff. Meanwhile my friend from DB is interviewing for a lateral with Blackstone 

Troll - here is my two cents:

Look up the definition of what a BB is.

Banks get reshuffled all the time - CS is entering a painful phase. There will be some reshuffling in the fall. Either they do it right, or they do it wrong.

Some departments will get the chop (I am looking at you prime brokerage) some departments will get added resources and cash (the right type of PB!)

Maybe some businesses will be sold (to be frank if they do that, could be very well be one of those sell at the top story and we will be laughing in 5 years at whichever dumb bank bought the business)

Bottom line is: it's banking - I've been in it for many years. The most important thing is not the bank, but the group you join, anywhere you go...

Know a lot of senior bankers who were part of the firm for 20+ years that left recently. Their industrials group (arguably top coverage group) just fell apart with both heads, head of industrials M&A, and multiple senior MDs leaving. Exits from CS LA (their strongest office) as well. This post over-exaggerates, but I would not take CS unless your only other options are other European BBs. 

CS equity research reminds me of my 5th grade book reports

Not true at all.

The Greensill and Archegos failures put a lot more pressure on management to clamp down on their risk management practices and part of that meant reiterating their messaging to the street that they were at core a wealth manager which offered investment banking services. These failures coupled with that messaging led to a mass exodus of senior bankers who didn't want to be associated with the brand (we must remember that senior bankers simply see their bank as the platform for their P&L and anything which could potentially mess it up for them is swiftly dealt with by moving to a new platform with a non-tarnished reputation ). However, CS has incumbents in place for the recently vacated seats and while they may not have taken the roles under great circumstances, the bank will move on. CS will not stop it's investment banking activities due to senior departures. Yes they have and will continue to take a hit in terms of reputation with all the departures but they will not lose their bulge status given their service capabilities they've offered over the last many years. To be clear, I think they have and will take a severe hit in terms of wallet share compared to their bulge counterparts but I just wouldn't take them out of the bulge bracket.

As an intern right now who would be starting FT in 2022, how do you all think this would affect PE recruiting for me? Note that I'm interning in one of the stronger groups (i.e. Sponsors, lev fin, M&A, tech)

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CS has issues that need to be resolved, but to put them on the UBS or DB level is just wrong. Different class. Who knows what the next 3-4 years bring, but this comment is premature to say the least.

lol quite the demise, doing better than UBS, DB, and BARC - literally the best European bank