Going Without Undershirts

There is an observable trend toward men not wearing undershirts, particularly among younger guys. To see how that would work I made an experiment, not wearing a t-shirt under my dress shirts for a week. I found it much more comfortable. I wear good quality oxford cloth button downs for work, not sheer shirts you can see through. Anyone else had a similar experience, or opinions to the contrary?

Do I Have to Wear an Undershirt Under Dress Shirt?


This is largely a personal preference. Depending on body chemistry and personal style, you may want to wear an undershirt to help protect your nice dress shirts from sweat stains. Undershirts can also give you additional coverage if your dress shirt is made of lighter, more see-through material.

What is the Best Undershirt for Dress Shirts?

Again, this is a personal preference, but WSO community members have recommended the following brands:

  • Specialty: Tommy John, Sean John, Hanro, Zimmerli
  • Mid-range: Michael Kors, Calvin Klein, Uniqlo, Banana Republic
  • Sportswear: Under Armour, Jockey, Hanes, Champs Sports

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When in Rome, do as the Romans do.

When I moved from Germany (everyone wears undershirts, you only undo one shirt button when not wearing a tie) to London (nobody wears undershirts, you undo the top two shirt buttons when not wearing a tie) I was really surprised by the local habits, then tried it myself, and since have always gone with the English option. That said, whenever I'm in NY or Germany / Benelux, for example, I go back to the local customs (undershirt + close up) because otherwise you're in for stares the moment you step out of the plane.

 

I've always wore v-neck undershirts. I tried going a couple of times without them and it felt like I was naked or something....I can see it being more comfortable, but I'm just too used to wearing something underneath.

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kingtut:
I just throw on a v-neck undershirt if I'm not wearing a tie and a normal crew-neck undershirt if I'm wearing a tie. It's a not a big deal. You never wear undershirts with polos...this one kills me and I see it far too often.

I absolutely hate seeing people wear an undershirt with a polo... Especially when they think it is acceptable just because they match the color of the emblem on the shirt with the undershirt. Ex: pale yellow polo with navy horse guy and a navy undershirt. TRBL turrible

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MagicKarp:
Wearing an undershirt with a polo is like wearing socks with sandals. Dealbreaker.

But things hood people do.

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I wear undershirts all the time but you can never tell. I've got plunging Vs on my undershirts so you can't see it with the first 3 buttons undone and I would sometimes wear undershirts with polos, but the sleeves on my new undershirts are too long so I can't wear them any longer.

I don't think there is anything wrong with it but I hate when I can see a person's undershirt, like when someone wears a crew neck with the first couple buttons undone.

From a practical standpoint, I fee better about replacing a $12 undershirt than I do an $60+ dress shirt.

Regards

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I have a high metabolism and tend to get sweat rings if I even think about physical labor. I'd much rather replace the cheaper dress shirt than get sweat rings in my shirts like cphbravo said above. I go with a v-neck if I'm wearing it unbuttoned or crew if I'm wearing a tie. I don't like seeing the t-shirt at all but it's great to protect your shirts from sweat and deodorant.

 

You damn non-under shirt wearers stink up elevators, offices and trains with your damn sweaty armpits. Under shirts should be worn with everything besides t-shirts, no one wants to see your chest hair and pit stains.

 
Aviator:
You damn non-under shirt wearers stink up elevators, offices and trains with your damn sweaty armpits. Under shirts should be worn with everything besides t-shirts, no one wants to see your chest hair and pit stains.

I'm pretty sure that undershirts don't do anything to contain smell. Rather, it seems that people wearing shirts+undershirts tend to sweat more given the additional layer. Undershirts also don't dry as quickly as OCBDs.

I've been going without undershirts for almost a year now and am loving the lifestyle. Summer can be a little rough, but I did get some lighter-weight shirts and hope to pick up some sea island cotton ones for next year.

 
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jennifer85:
All I can say is, I'm glad I am a woman.

Me too, what's your #?

Very nice. LOL.

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i've never really bought the idea that an additional layer reduces sweat stains or sweating in general. Seems to me the added material and fact that sweat is being drawn out into the t-shirt fabric which is right against your nice dress shirt results in an even worse situation. Also tucking in two shirts always seems to look worse, especially if you're tall.

 
geofinance:
i've never really bought the idea that an additional layer reduces sweat stains or sweating in general. Seems to me the added material and fact that sweat is being drawn out into the t-shirt fabric which is right against your nice dress shirt results in an even worse situation. Also tucking in two shirts always seems to look worse, especially if you're tall.
You don't buy that having an additional layer to sweat through reduces the amount of sweat that gets on the outer layer...interesting
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geofinance:
i've never really bought the idea that an additional layer reduces sweat stains or sweating in general. Seems to me the added material and fact that sweat is being drawn out into the t-shirt fabric which is right against your nice dress shirt results in an even worse situation. Also tucking in two shirts always seems to look worse, especially if you're tall.

Wait, what? This isn't rocket science...there is nothing to think through on this one. Do you also not buy into the hype about rain coats and umbrellas? WTF?!? LOL.

Regards

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cphbravo96:
geofinance:
i've never really bought the idea that an additional layer reduces sweat stains or sweating in general. Seems to me the added material and fact that sweat is being drawn out into the t-shirt fabric which is right against your nice dress shirt results in an even worse situation. Also tucking in two shirts always seems to look worse, especially if you're tall.

Wait, what? This isn't rocket science...there is nothing to think through on this one. Do you also not buy into the hype about rain coats and umbrellas? WTF?!? LOL.

Regards

I understand the convential wisdom, but in my experience i'm drier and my shirts get less stains when I don't wear an undershirt. When I have worn them in the past it always seems like the undershirt gets sweaty and stays that way for a long time which is uncomfortable and keeps the dress shirt damp longer.

 

Sometimes I do and sometimes I don't. I feel like during the winter I will be more inclined to wear an undershirt. But, even now it gets too hot sometimes, especially in the PATH station at the World Trade Center. When I wear a polo I definitely don't wear an undershirt, but with button ups it depends. And, I prefer wife beaters to sleeved shirts. Awesome study, good luck with the research.

 

Did I miss something?

Undershirts prolong the life of dress shirts by minimizing the need for continuous dry cleaning which can be damaging over time.

 

By the way, do you guys see the "Blank Label" advertisement at the top below the first post? My buddy from college started that company which is really taking off. Good for him.

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Reason people stop wearing undershirts is simple... They come un-tucked easily and billow underneath dress shirts since Hanes has to make them fit every man in America.

I solved the problem by launching a company that cuts the shirts slim and long.

www.UnderFitShirts.com

 

[quote=Brockland]Reason people stop wearing undershirts is simple... They come un-tucked easily and billow underneath dress shirts since Hanes has to make them fit every man in America.

I solved the problem by launching a company that cuts the shirts slim and long.

www.UnderFitShirts.com[/quote] Dude you've got to sell yourself a little harder than that :) Brockland is my buddy and an ex-Wall Street guy that runs UnderFit as a 4HWW business on the side. I've got a few of the shirts (thanks dude) and they're bomb - give them a try if you're in the undershirt camp.

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if you are working 18 hours a day in full suit, with a tie, you'll be wearing an undershirt believe me. Not many guys at my office decide to forego the undershirt.

When I go out after work, I will often remove the undershirt and drop two buttons to go more casual and roll up the sleeves. No need for an undershirt then and certainly not under a polo, who the fuck even does that? But going without an undershirt all day at work would ruin my shirts so fast and would get sticky sitting there literally all day, hour after hour in the chair. Dry cleaning is a total fucking pain and keeping fresh and pressed is way easier with an undershirt.

Uniqlo premium v-cut are really nice by the way, with a super comfy cotton and a slim fit.

 

As a woman, I think it's gross when guys don't use an undershirt if they have anything more than scant chest hair.

Your shirts will last longer... no discoloration from the chemicals in antiperspirant.

The only guy I knew who pulled it off without undershirts had bespoke heavyweight shirts and didn't wear any underwear as a rule... haha

 

A couple comments...

First of all, some of you wear oxfords into the office? By definition, oxford cloth is distinctly casual. It's a cloth designed for workshirts, more sturdy and not a gentleman's shirt by any means. True OCBDs come with a button at the back of the neck as well as a locker loop, two absolute no-no's in a professional environment. Let me guess ... you think wearing button-down collars in the office is formal too.

Now I'm gonna contradict myself and admit that undershirts are considered casual rather than formal as well, but many guys do it out of necessity. I'll second everyone saying the Uniqlo wicking ones are fantastic, it does a phenomenal job of keeping your body dry if you're athletic/have a high metabolism/body adjusts more quickly to core temperature changes and you perspire more immediately.

I hate crewneck undershirts but even with Brooks broadcloth shirts, the contour of the v-neck shows at the neck area behind the tie. Maybe it's just because I have darker skin though.

Finally, absolutely agreed that the undershirt beneath a polo is absurd. Swear to God, I wanna bitchslap the shit outta any guy I see doing it; most of the time they're completely non-athletic guys to begin with.

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Obviously there are multiple views and always will be. Some prefer/need undershirts. Others don't. I found I could do without after wearing them pretty religiously all my life. Apparently lots of others feel the same way. Catalogs like J Crew or BB always feature their dress-shirt wearers sans undershirt. It's comfortable for me and the problems some mention fortunately do not bother me. If what I read on other websites is true, others have made the same experiment I did. I'm not saying everyone should drop the undershirt. But some may try it and like it. I did!

 

The link below is for the Premium Cotton Uniqlo v-neck undershirts I wear to the office. They are super soft, form fitting, a bit longer than normal, and really cheap. A lot of people like the technical fabrics as well.

The store is basically J Crew from Japan, but with a high style / low price Topshop thing going on. They have one in SoHo with two more coming soon. Stuff is hit or miss, and those t-shirts are a definite hit.

http://www.uniqlo.com/global_images/uk/goods/067041/sub/067041_sub1.jpg

 

Yes, they wick it away. If you're a profuse sweater, it'll still break through to your dress shirt if you wear slimmer cut shirts. For most, it does good enough a job wicking away that it's never noticeable.

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hey folks,

pretty healthy dialog here about the pros/cons about wearing undershirts. also noticed a good number of questions and/or comments about specific undershirt or sweat-related topics that i thought i'd help with.

whether or not to wear an undershirt? bottom line, this is personal preference and depends on your own body chemistry make up. if you don't perspire much, undershirts can help keep your outer shirts cleaner because, whether or not you subscribe to this, your body secrets oils and sweat even if you don't see it. think ring-around-the-collar. wearing an undershirt will always provide for more protection than without. also, undershirts help in other areas like masking physical characteristics like puffy or protruding nipples, chest hair, etc.

what type of undershirt should you wear? simple: fitted with a little stretch to it and cut a little longer so it doesn't come untucked.

what style of undershirt should you wear? again, person preference, but as a rule of thumb, if you're going to wear an undershirt this is what i recommend: >button-up dress shirt with a tie: crew neck >button-up dress shirt without a tie: v-neck >polo: v-neck (since you generally wear the collar open on a polo) >t-shirt: crew neck or tank top >if your button up shirts are light colored or semi-transparent, consider wearing a heather grey undershirt since they won’t show through as much as white. there are nude colored undershirts too, but i’m not a big fan of the color >exception: in any of the above cases, you could opt to wear a tank since those will generally wear cooler than full undershirts, but since you seem to need the underarm protection, a tank top (a-shirt) might not be right for you. but, maybe someone else who doesn’t sweat as much

fabric & sweat protection? different fabrics handle sweat protection different ways. in simple terms, there are fabrics that absorb moisture (cotton, micromodal, bamboo) and those that do not (polyester, nylon, coolmax-polyester). if you wear an undershirt with non-absorbing fabric, sweat will be more likely to reach your outer shirt quicker. there are also special undershirts made for people who sweat more than others. they are called "hyperhidrosis undershirts" or "sweat through resistant undershirts". brands: sutran, kleinerts, advadri, silverback apparel, sweatshield undershirts, feelu. do a google search and you'll find a good amount of information

wearing undershirts make you warmer? in general, wearing an undershirt will be slightly warmer than without, but there are many new undershirts that are designed to be cooler to wear than others. for example, if you don't sweat very much, wearing a lightweight "cellular" or waffled fabrics (those with tiny air-ducts) will likely feel a lot cooler to wear than something denser. also, a tank top is always a good choice if you don't sweat much. lastly, there are literately hundreds of undershirts to choose from today. finding a proper fitting undershirt is the key. if it doesn't fit right, you'll feel warmer and more uncomfortable.

is there a way to remove pit stains? yep, there is. there are two products on the market specifically designed for that. they are deo-go and raise stain remover. i've only tested deo-go and it's the real deal. it will remove set-in yellow pit stains, deodorant build-up and odors.

containing smell? if you can believe this, there are undershirts designed to do this. you get some protection of this with undershirts with anti-microbial treatments, but you'll get more protection from something that has activated charcol in it. i recently came across a product like this, but i haven't had the chance to try it out yet. i'm also about to write an article about posishield - an odor eliminating spray that can be applied to almost any type of garment or surface.

if you have any other questions, feel free to pm me and i'll point you to my website/blog that covers these topics in detail.

best, tug

 

Yes, definitely wear an undershirt and yes to the v-necks. Try to find a seamless, thin v-neck that is made of a blend of cotton and anti-sweat wicking material, those are the best. Usually you can only see a v-neck through your dress shirt if the dress shirt is a thin, white shirt. V-necks work with sport shirts/oxford shirts when you aren't wearing a tie at the office and want to unbutton your collar to loosen up, and you won't look like you're in sixth grade with your undershirt showing.

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undershirt = underage

...unless you sweat like a caveman or have an enormous bushel of chest pubes you're trying to keep down

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I am loving Under Armour everything. I have friends that are in Law Enforcement and they swear by UA because they have to wear their ballistics vests all the time (they live in FL). They preached about them so I tried them out and love them...you can feel yourself sweat sometimes when you are outside but you are instantly cooled and you never feel like your shirt is getting wet from the sweat.

Also, I hate wearing regular dress socks so I have always used regular cotton socks...I recently switched to UA socks as well and absolutely love them. I also rock their Original series boxers and they make likely be the only boxers I will ever wear again. I tend to get a little swamp ass after being seated for a while and my old cotton boxers used to adsorb the swamp but the moisture would just accumulate. Their moisture wicking technology really works and keeps you feeling dry.

Please note I don't own a single share of their stock (if they are even public) I'm just really hooked after using their products.

Always go with a v-neck...that way you never have to choose which type to wear in the morning. Just grab one and go.

Regards

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Haha, I sacrificed my pride so that people could know...it wasn't easy, but how do you put a price on improving society, lol?

Regards

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I used to sweat from my underarms a lot. Two things I did were 1) Switch to Old Spice and 2) get moisture wicking shirts. Basically the thing that keeps you from sweating is aluminium zirconium tetrachlorohydrex. I looked at those "clinical strength" ones and found that the cheaper Old Spice had just about the same %. The thin micro fibers get rid of moisture and poof, no more problem. Aluminum build up is what causes yellow stains so make sure you wash in hot water and don't let shirts sit around.

 

So whats the survey on undershirts? Which brand is best and is v-neck the way to go? I'm looking into getting v-neck undershirts that are thin, form-fitting, and wick-resistant. The jockeys look good so far, but seem kind of expensive per shirt.

 

I have a cheap friend who goes to Walmart. I think the Jockeys are cheap if you compare them to under armor. Go to Dick's and look at their store brand shirts, you should be able to find them priced fairly. The thing about Jockey is they are not too tight so they feel more like an undershirt. Under Armor is great, but I don't know if I would want to wear it for 10+ hours a day.

 
AnthonyD1982:
I have a cheap friend who goes to Walmart. I think the Jockeys are cheap if you compare them to under armor. Go to Dick's and look at their store brand shirts, you should be able to find them priced fairly. The thing about Jockey is they are not too tight so they feel more like an undershirt. Under Armor is great, but I don't know if I would want to wear it for 10+ hours a day.

The UA shirts are great and although more expensive upfront, I have read virtually every review I could find before dumping a bunch of money into undershirts and most of them said that they last an extremely long time, longer then traditional undershirts. Additionally, they don't allow the bacteria to grow in the shirt so you shouldn't get pit stains and have the discoloration that is common with Hanes and FTL.

Do note that I haven't wore the Jockey shirts that Anthony mentioned, so I can't actually compare them. Also note, these are specifically their undershirts, not just their regular see my 47 pack abs through the fabric, so while they are snug and form fitting (helps with the moisture whicking), they have never been less than ultra comfortable even on my long(ER) days. Hopefully the link works for everybody.

http://www.underarmour.com/shop/us/en/mens/apparel/underwear-and-socks/…

If it doesn't it's their Men's O Series V neck found in the 'underwear' section online. I don't know if you can find these in the store anywhere, I looked several places but most of them only sell the workout style shirts so they are likely to be tighter and they will usually have a dark colored emblem on the chest...something you don't want blazing from beneath your white button down. The specific undershirt that I am referring to has a white logo on a white shirt so you can only see if when looking at the shirt itself, so there is no bleed through that I have noticed.

I actually wore a regular undershirt today and noticed a difference in the way I felt. I live really close to my office but with the heat the way it is (I'm in the south), I had sweat running down my torso, which went for quite a ways, as my shirts are older and a bit more worn out...something I read doesn't happen with the UA shirts.

Time will tell. They all seem to be in great shape like the day I bought them and I haven't had any issues, but its only been a couple of weeks. Anyways, I am not trying to sell snake oil or preach to anyone, but it might be worth the $20 just to try one out and test it.

Regards

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so." - Ronald Reagan
 

10 out of 10 investment bankers wear undershirts every day. the hours in banking are simply too bad - your shirts won't survive without them. Going sans-undershirt may be okay for the bar, but it won't work in the office.

All you NYC monkeys should check out the premium cotton v neck ones they sell at Uniqlo on Broadway in soho. They are amazing, and something like $3 or $5 each.

V neck is the best because you can open your collar and the undershirt does not show.

I have also heard good things about the UA ones, but I guarantee you will die when you feel how comfy those Uniqlo ones are. I bought 14 of them the last time I was there. They are light years better than the Hanes ones and look way more stylish with a trim fit.

 

I've got Dockers undershirts. Total piss off though - I bought a couple bags and made a very careful note what size/style/brand they were, then a year later went to restock - the new larges fit tighter than some random mediums I had sitting around. COMPLETELY different shirt, and now I've got 5 packs of them. Guess I'm set for shoe polish rags...

 

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I wear a white undershirt every day. It is weird when you can see people's nipples through their shirt. It looks odd to me when you don't wear an undershirt/lazy, but that is just my opinion. I have noticed that more senior people don’t wear undershirts.

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Group Therapy:
It is weird when you can see people's nipples through their shirt.
Seems like that could be a great thing, depending on who you're referring to. Right?
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Poff:
I always wear one.

v-neck: no tie crew neck: tie

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I just bought a bunch of slim fit shirts from CT. They're awesome for the price and fit perfectly. However I've noticed with the white ones you can easily see undershirts underneath them. Is this bad? I plan to wear an undershirt with them every day for my SA.

 

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