People who are good with ladies
How do you do it? I am 21 and never really tried for girls until now and realize how pathetic I am. Messed up my chance with two very attractive girls by being a pussy. When ever I talk to an attractive girl all I can do is just have a conversation about school and stupid ass small talk.
I use tinder and get some decent matches and even brought a girl over who was very hot! I got scared and didn't do anything than.
I dress decent, am not fat, sort of athletic, many outgoing friends, gets invited to sorority functions, but I don't know how to get a girl.
How do you guys do it?
Hopefully this information will be in the next WSO behavioral guide.
Actually, Hugh, I think this one is necessary in the technical guide.
Don't be a bro.
Don't use stupid pick up lines.
Have a sense of humor. Not like, know 15 different jokes that you can recite off the top of your head, but be natural.
Sarcastic joking seems to work pretty well. I don't know how many girls that I've called an ugly skank that just laugh it off.
Don't be a nervous idiot. Girls can smell fear. (Not really, they can smell your armpits that are drenched due to the thought of talking to a girl)
Have interests outside of work/school
When all else fails, just use Cosby's approach.
Second the "Cosby Special"
Listen buddy, I used to be in your shoes. Then, I discovered a formula. You gotta start small.
Be nice to every girl, very friendly and outgoing (just don't worry about making a fool of yourself, girls like that), but don't just immediately go for the 8's and 9's. Start with their less attractive friends, the 4's-7's. Don't go for the ugly girls, because that will get you a bad rep. But a big mistake a lot of guys make is ignoring the average ones and going for the hot ones. The hot ones will see right through you and think you're just in it for the sex.
After having established multiple friend(with benefits)ships with the average girls, you'll get to know their hot friends. Don't drool over them, just hang out with them like you would your average friends. Joke around with them, be fun (very important), if you're fun, you don't even need to be attractive for them to keep coming back to you.
As time goes on, after you stopped sexual relations with the average ones, but you're still friends with them, you're fair game for their friends. Now here's where the formula comes in. You aren't just fair game, you're their next objective.If they like you, which, following step 2, they should, and they know that their less attractive friends have had you before, they want you. Now this may seem contrary to the mindset that you would think they have. However, here's where your behavior needs to change. Don't go out of your way to be charming to them, don't be clingy, treat them like a friend. Certainly don't ignore them and make an ass out of yourself, be a nice guy, but don't chase them. This is when they come chasing you. They'll start getting frustrated (in a good way). Why was it so easy for their less attractive friends to have you, but it's so hard for them. Are they as hot as they thought they were? Who are they? They'll start to question their own hotness, and what is the only thing that can redeem it, you ask? Your dick (Excuse the language).
Once they're clearly begging for it, the first thing you'll be thinking is, "Holy shit, I've got a 9 at the tip of my fingers. How in God's name did this happen?" Ignore those thoughts. Push them in the farthest corner of your mind, you don;t need them. Don't let her hotness intimidate you, she's after you, so YOU have the upper hand here Now this is when you need to start being charming, sweet, a nice guy to them. If you play your cards correctly, you'll be in bed with her in no time. Next thing you know, you're the guy who sleeps with the hot girls, and it's a domino effect. Everything gets easier from here. Just remain confident in everything you do and know that you deserve to be there.
Hope my formula helped. It's pretty simp really. Just a little bit of psychology.
CFOinTraining
Never Happened.
We can lead you to water, but if you aren't willing to drink the results will be the same. The possibility of getting rejected or actually getting rejected isn't a pleasant experience, but not going for it has led to the same result without the possibility of getting any. You just need to accept the possibility of losing. More realistically you just need to go for it and fail a few times to take the sting out of it, who knows maybe you'll get lucky in the process. It's that simple. Keep in mind, if she's at your place it's for a reason. On some level she's already said yes, she wants you to go for it so she can say yes.
If you guys keep this shit up @"DickFuld" is going to have to set-up an endowment fund and just pay for a few professionals to get it over with.
Break the Ice: How to become successful with women (Originally Posted: 02/16/2012)
WSO,
A lot of guys I know including me are not naturally good with women. Even though we are easy going guys. Today, I will share a small insight which will really help you with the ladies and other people in general.
Note: If you are naturally good with women you may want to skip this:
-- I still cant forget what my mentor (MD at BB) said to me one day. We were at a bar and I was super bummed out as I didn't receive a single FT offer.
out of nowhere mentor: You're not good with women are you? sipping his drink me: How do you know? dafuck expression mentor: Because you're not very personable with people. When I first met you I thought you were an asshole.
me: Really?
After this incident I asked a couple of people who know me what their first impression about me was, and no one had anything good to say.
What I realized that day was that even if you are an easy going person, no one will know that until or unless as they say you break the proverbial ice. In any conversation with a stranger, there is always that moment after where you can take a sigh of relief and open up. But always remember that YOU have to be the first one to "break the ice".
Why "you" per say? Well its because people are intimidated by "you". Yes, i know it sounds strange. But if people don't naturally approach you its because they are a little daunted by you. So you have to make the effort and just say "Hi my name is ________" with a warm smile.
Let me know how it goes.
This kind of stuff never ceases to amaze me.
You know what they say - 'you could make a guy learn how to fish, but he will still support/vote for the guy that just gives him the fish'..
I was thinking - being the devout philanthropists that we are - we'd get a tax write-off. Would anyone question the veracity of our charitable donations?
With all the recent stories of WSO guys getting raped with a divorce, not sure it is a good idea to break the ice.
wat
bhahahaha, i think your problems lie a little deeper than breaking the ice my friend.
Write a book, so no one will be foreve alone.
Sounds like a severe case a douchebagitis. Also, why the hell did you post it here?
This is actually good advice for some people, not all of whom are assholes. Oftentimes shy or quiet people aren't naturally friendly and get unfairly pegged as assholes when they may be really nice people.
things i've learned about women since i moved out of my parents house last year: 1. Its a percentage game 2. dont allow a girlfriend to slowly move her belongings into your house 3. smile with your eyes and they can't keep up their defences for long 4. tactfully be touchy feely 5. respond to text messages in a flurry and then disappear for a few days 6. go to the gym 7. find out what she is into and do research about it (but maybe that is just the consultant in me manifesting itself lol)
good shit...take notes monkeys
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^^hahaha...the chick was like ive seen better
God almighty ... we almost made it to the end of the year
How to impress a girl? (Originally Posted: 05/23/2008)
i like a girl. never met her but she is hot. there is a personal trainer who created a facebook group to get people to pay to run with him in the park. and this girl joined. and she said she might even come one of these sundays. it doesnt cost that much to attend once a week in hopes of seeing her, though im not one of those dorks who needs to pay for fitness training(im in good shape i swear). and so i logged on here because it sucks so much. i mean there is no guarantee i'll ever see her and thats the only way to hit on her. and i must wait for sunday in hopes of seeing her. and if i do see her, i'll have only 1 chance to impress her. so waiting for some tips for next sunday.
oh and i also wanted to make a rant. i am a student. i am studying for mcat that im taking in 2-3wks. and so im not a lazy bum. but looking through facebook i notice some interesting patterns. like there is a guy who graduated from a ttt and works in something ttt like insurance sales but he describes it like investment banking. and he does have a nice car. so he sometimes gets messages on his walls from models asking him about his car or "how is life? we should catch up" and his reply "oh i see you're back on the market". and he is fat and short. while the only students who get attention from model looking girls are the type who are really really cool(and a bunch of other positive qualities). and i wouldnt be pissed about that "banker" if he had real money. but the truth is he doesnt. and i have nothing. ;(
ding ding ding
STALK MUCH?
i think you need to lie down on a couch and talk to a pro, bro.
WTF
...the new Poll made me laugh though
Ok, first of all you dont need to 'impress' her. However, you have to grow balls and go up to her when you see her and ask her "are you single?". Be direct. Don't ask her if she has a bf or if she wants to hangout or whatever, just ask her if she is single.
Then, if she says yes, give her your phone (physically) and tell her to insert her number, and you will give her a call sometime next week for lunch or something. The reason you do not just want to ask for her number is because it gives her a chance to say "no". When you give her your phone and ask her if she has a number, of course the answer is yes (all of us have phones). Simple sales psychology.
Dont be a pussy.
Wow.
You need to impress her by running faster than everyone else, obviously.
Perhaps making some derisive comments about the trainer to assert dominance in the group.
LOLOL HAHAHAHAHAHA. Eff'ing great.
LO FING L I farted and semi scharted when i read this
Why are you asking this here? Isn't there some pre-med forum that you could ask? Are you trying to confront her ibanking boyfriend?
this is the stupidest thing i have ever read on this site. if you have to ask how to impress this girl on wsoasis, then you are definitely not going to get her.
"You need to impress her by running faster than everyone else, obviously."
Double lol.
magic
People like b333b give the internet a bad rap.
"Oh - the ladies ever tell you that you look like a fucking optical illusion?"
u gotta be shitting me just tell this bitch you want to bone
Please tell me this post is a joke..
start the convo like this:
so i was looking at pics of you on facebook...
ab123 is right, excellent ice breaker
strap on your timbs and go for a run sunnn. you're the man b333b and don't let that ttt mofo get you down ;)
ps def pm me if this girl is dumb enough not to bite...
so i was looking at pics of you on facebook...
...and the guys on Wall Street Oasis said that I should ask you out....
whip it out and see if she digs it
How awesome would it be if this advice was just blindly followed by the OP?
doesnt seem like i received any advice at all. i went there and it was just pathetic. there were 0 girls. only the guy's 2 male friends showed up. so that guy is worthless... i think it's pointless to look for that girl to show up, never going to happen. i guess the only way to hit on her is through facebook. i guess to do that i need to have something organized like a volleyball game or a party. but i need to study for mcat 24/7 these 2wks. on the other hand when i run in the park at random times i always see some hot girls. but it's much harder to hit on girls when you're not in some kind of common group. and while i can see a lot of cute girls, it's rare that i see girls this hot.
I spit my soda when I read that.
haha how creepy would that be. Guy asks a random chick "hey do you want to come to my house and play some volleyball? Make sure you wear something tight."
I like how his definition of "dork" is someone who pays for fitness training - certainly not someone who comes to internet messageboards asking for stalking advice.
b333b, I can definitely sympathize with your frustrations though. Why should some short and fat, "ttt" graduate be able to land super hot girls with his fancy car and charming wit? I mean, when guys like you and I run the world, we'll make sure that all the girls are classified according to their attractiveness and doled out accordingly.
All the 9's and 10's will go to the lawyers, doctors, bankers and PE studs. Presuming of course, you went to a first rate school. The 7's and 8's will go to the other first-rate guys pursuing slightly less noble professions, and the 6's and below we'll reserve for the "ttt" guys, non-college graduates, and the homeless.
Let's you and me draw up a plan to get put into an office of power here.
please tell me this thread is not serious..
it is. Look at this guy's other posts, they're all retarded.
Greatest thing I read all day. Even better than finding out that half the Hamptons is still available.
In all seriousness, I did look at getting a summer house with some friends and it fell through...
I think you got carried away... You mistakenly wrote IBD guys get 10s.... We both know that its the PE guys who get 10s, then the HF guys get 9s, and THEN the IBD guys... Bulge bracket Janitors get 4s, and McKinsey guys get 2s or 3s, depending on how many Bear employees are retained by JPM and whom like women.
This made me laugh so hard! This guy is so CREEPY!! omg omg omg, I have random guys email me on facebook and I always delete the email. Especially when there's a major creepy factor!!!!!
********"Babies don't cost money, they MAKE money." - Jerri Blank********
It IS creepy... I've rec'd random guy emails on Facebook too, the most recent from a fella in Turkey. I ignore/delete these Facebook messages. Anyways, but I made sure my profile settings are set so private that random people shouldn't be able to see my picture, let alone send me a message etc. So I ask myself, how do these men find me?!? Bizarre.
haha great post, made my day.
Remember, you will always be a salesman, no matter how fancy your title is. - My ex girlfriend
hey i have no time to address any other posts. but aadpepsi and atropolation-you really think someone like me would message someone like you? hahaha.
hehe, given your obvious psychotic tendencies when it comes to females, I think we can all imagine you doing just this
Well a Facebook message would be too direct (otherwise he would have sent a message to this chick already). I picture him more as the silent killer type.
i think your best options given information you have provided are left hand and right hand.
you might want to throw in a "stranger" from time to time, to keep things exciting.
Hahahahahah. Love it. The dog isn't a bad idea. Most girls (hookers included) love puppies so much they'll be coming over to talk to you without any effort on your part. Just don't be a psycho right away...but later is okay.
LOL :-)
Nice banter fellas.
Ok... I do this from time to time, its so easy it feels wrong. I wear some extra-tight bicycle shorts which I put on and stuff 2 rolled up socks down my crotch, take a 3rd sock and roll it into a tube and strategically place it between your thigh and extra tight bike shorts so its down to about 2 inches above your knee. Go for a run in the park, and when you see your choice lady, run directly behind her so her hand, when swinging back touches your crotch. Once she turns around to see what her hand has hit, take the 2 socks out of your shorts, pre-soaked in chloroform and ball sweat, and smother her mouth and nose until you feel her body stop writhing in resistance.... best when done at night.
lets say i was new to the new york area. where, if your opinion, is the best place to get rid of the body when my choice lady's services are through?
Under b333b's beach volleyball court in his backyard.... if there's any room left.
I'm convinced this kid killed himself...and probably one or two other people after reading the thread again.
Get a dog, he'll love you more.
fzjgdk - 'stranger' post...classic.. i laughed so hard i was crying
Marcus_Halberstram - the chloroform idea, perfect for this kid.
You should go to where she does laundry. Take a few articles of her clothing while she isn't looking (undergarments obvs) and cut them up to make little letters. Paste them onto pieces of paper to write her a romantic love note.
If this doesn't get her attention, repeat the above move... but use her flesh instead of undergarments.
Good luck Romeo!
Either you sling crack rock or you got a wicked jump shot
laughing hysterically.. funniest shit I've ever read on here
Show her your rod of steel.
Hahaha wow
b333b has to be a forum troll. No question.
Where the fuck do these guys come from? Is there some central location where kids with degrees from Ivy League schools that have never spoken to a girl let alone have been laid just reproduce? I'm curious because I see these posts all the time and they are the saddest things...
Is there some central location where they manufacture kids who can't grasp sarcasm?
I actually found this post to be quite humorous.
Money. Women are impressed by money no matter what they say. I once went out in a family friends LP640 and every woman was looking and smiling. I was like yeah, that's right.
And yes, I agree, I also hate it when people who sell CD's for a living claim to be in investment banking.
b333b = blumie.
This is a theory I've been postulating for a little while. Basically, since I started reading some of blumie's posts, I've been getting a sense of deja vu. Found some of this guy's threads. Similarities.
Post is funny, but I hope the OP is joking.
Be yourself. Don't think about it so much.
How to Pick Up Women:
Be 100% willing to walk away at the drop of a hat, under any circumstance, and you're good.
+1.
Find a very attractive girl. Become her friend. Profit from her friends.
Biggest thing for girls is that they want to trust and feel comfortable. There isn't a faster way for that to happen other than their good friend vouching for you.
Not exactly. If the hot girl friend-zones you, then the less attractive girls will expect to be able to friend-zone you as well.
Advice by @"CFOinTraining" has worked for me.
I have seen girls bring around goofy guys that they would never hook up with though, but I think that's more of a charity case than anything else.
Whoa. A thread like this on Wso?! I'm shocked.
Start rolling out with the biggest ass holes you can find. You'll learn in no time fast.
Agreed pm this. While I think CFOs advice makes sense, it doesn't get to the root of the problem. At 21 if you've fallen behind the average person in terms of getting laid etc. it's like a vicious cycle. Simply changing behavior without getting to changing your inner confidence won't work. Girls can smell it on you regardless. Hang around some guys who get laid or have a steady girlfriend on campus. Examine the bass in their voice and their general interactions with girls. They are manly. They exude some testosterone. The stink of pussy is on them which attracts more pussy. Its a cycle or domino effect. I suggest hanging with some guy friends like this. Focus on girls that arent so hot but average looking. But focus more so on boosting your own male energy. Also, stay away from porn. It distorts your mindset and makes you idolize women. They're only human.
Become a Golden Gloves boxing champ. But be careful when you go to work!
This.
OP should also look into a career in tech sales if he wants to be touched by supermodels.
become a sadboy. it is the only way
You keep posting this video, are you a promoter or something?
or Batman
//www.youtube.com/embed/RuzsZ8GyM38
Go to a random place. start conversations with random men and women. talk to a woman. Depending on where the conversation goes, set up a date, then get the number. Sometimes you will be in the zone and not give a damn if you get rejected, that's fine, but don't try to pick up all the woman in the same location at once. ie. going from woman to woman at the same bar.
send dick pics after two texts on tinder.
You'd be surprised...
Yesterday some really good looking girl matched with me and messaged me first to ask me about my school. When I described it to her she really wants to transfer and said she has to come down and party with me. Then she continued to the conversation and then said talk to you tomorrow.
Do I wait for her to message or me message first?
Girl wants to meet you at your school. Go out of her way alone... to get drunk and party.
FFS.
Lol
Its actually quite simple -- there are really four things you need to do
Make a girl smile and laugh Make her feel good about herself Stimulate her mentally Stimulate her physically (affection and sex)
If you can do those four things you're golden.
Also, if you have a huge cock, doing what heister suggested can seal the deal. But most likely if you have a huge cock you won't have any confidence issues. God knows I don't.
Booooom.
You could also go with the indirect approach. This probably only works for Halloween though.
My friends were in for halloween and none of us had halloween costumes so my friends being who they are... we all put on my fiance's old halloween costumes (slutty nurse, slutty maid, slutty bunny). My friend wearing the slutty nurse costume got extra done up. Full makeup and everything.
Girls were approaching him and he got 4 numbers with out doing a damn thing!
The key is meeting people organically. Tinder is good to an extent, since it's a relatively small time investment to potentially meet someone.
Other than Tinder, try to leverage your friends' girlfriends (GFOF). I make sure to meet them and I show them what a great guy I am (building a foundation). Then, in passing, I mention that I have been going on dates. Tell story about bad date, but sure you look like a hero. Girls love to hate on other girls they don't know. (Example, took a girl to jazz club, she talked about her cats the whole time and made up some lame excuse to leave because "her friend is having surgery and needs emotional support" after 45 minutes). GFOF now hates her and thinks that I deserve better blah blah (DO NOT ASK ABOUT SINGLE FRIENDS, IT NEEDS TO BE HER IDEA)... the GFOF will start looking at her single friends, and say, hey I know this great guy - you should go out with him and boom.. double dates.
Have a 1-on-1 with a respected instructor in the PU community (be careful, there are a lot of scam artists out there, but some are legit). Chances are there are a lot of issues beyond the technical (it's not about what you say or the tactics) -- a pro can tear apart your body language, fashion, confidence, verbals, approach anxiety, etc.
PM me if you live in LA
Quite frankly, there's a much better source than most of us here. Our expertise is business, not dating.
Go on Youtube and look up a dude who goes by the name of "Player Supreme" His advice is more targeted at player types than daters,but implementing his ideas about the dating game into my own dating philosophies netted me a relationship(now marriage) that is everything I ever dreamed of and more.
edit: And don't call him a PUA. He takes major offense at that for good reason.
Watch the videos and decide for yourself if what he says makes sense.
player supreme will think this new years' is special coz of all the traffic coming to him from WSO..
To elaborate on the OP's question, my specific mindset is as follows.
Just as with trying to get a job, it's a marketing challenge and you are the product. First, compare what you have to offer against the kind of girl you like. If there's a disparity then you need to develop those qualities within yourself and (even more importantly) learn how to advertise them effectively. How you do this varies slightly depending on how you like to get out there(e.g. Tinder is all about good pictures).
Second, you need to implement the 80/20 rule and invest time ONLY in women that demonstrate a strong interest in you. Apply the "Tim Tebow" rule, which is as follows. When a lady doesn't want to dance, flakes out, doesn't return calls, etc ask yourself "would she have done that if I were Tim Tebow or another famous athlete/actor?" If no then stop wasting your time. What this means in practice is that if you are online then only talk to girls who put some effort into their emails and respond in a reasonable timeframe. If you're in a club or out and about then you ONLY approach girls who make friendly eye contact(it takes some practice to tell the difference between shy and "not interested).
It saves your time and energy. If she's interested from the start then all you have to do is not sound like a goober when you open your mouth.
Apply the same philosophy in relationships. Every bad relationship I've had was with people who would have left if I hadn't chased, and the best ones were all with people that I didn't have to chase.
I watched one Player Supreme video (
) and can see the analogy of bottom-bitches = managers, hoes = players (in sports).
The popular PUA videos you see on youtube is just marketing, it's all flash. And no I'm not a PUA, but one of my close friends used to be active in the community.
They're worse than "just marketing". I have some friends who used to be a part of that and their "systems" are designed to appeal to people with very logical, computer programmer type brains. The idea is that if you just run up to every girl out there and use a pre-scripted conversation, then you will get the right result....just like programming.
When you get people charging several grand for weekend "bootcamps", it's a fraud and not just marketing. They know it too, but the harsh truth of dating (that women choose men and that no smooth words will change their minds) simply doesn't sell.
Tim Tebow rule? LOL
You can Google "how to calculate a DCF" but won't know everything about DCFs on the first day of work.
You can Google "how to hit on a girl" but won't know everything about holding a girl's attention on the first date.
The concept of "work experience" exists for a reason. Go out there and talk to more girls!
^This. PUA (and the systems they teach) is like giving you a set of training wheels, it forces you to go out there and grind it out (and there are a lot of guys who want to talk and approach more girls in their lives but never commit to the grind). You are going to look like an idiot at first but once you become accustomed to the grind, you can take off the training wheels and do what feels natural. But I'm guessing if the OP could grind it out he wouldn't be posting his worries here.
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