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  • Analyst 1 in IB-M&A
Jan 11, 2022 - 12:21am

>No affirmative action

You really think an engineering school would be half women if that were true?

  • Intern in PE - LBOs
Jan 11, 2022 - 5:50pm

Caltech is probably the best for pure sciences and engineering with more theory, but several of my friends chose CMU (for CS) and MIT over Caltech because they weren't as interested in theory.

  • Analyst 1 in PE - LBOs
Jan 11, 2022 - 1:58am

Transfers to Rice, starts posting that it's the future alongside MIT (and over Stanford, Princeton, Harvard).

Gives me "I'm working at a top BB (think GS/MS/UBS)" vibes.

  • Analyst 1 in ER
Jan 11, 2022 - 2:20am

A friend chose USC over MIT so clearly it's a semi-target at best 

  • Intern in PE - LBOs
Jan 11, 2022 - 5:55pm

As someone who goes to USC, this is indeed true, but USC usually lures these students by giving them a full-merit scholarship and a research stipend ($5k) apart from guaranteed research spots and easier access to the labs and the professors. If you want to go for a PhD, I think it might be worthwhile to get all the research experience while getting paid to do so as an undergrad. Another reason I saw someone who got into HYPMS and chose USC was that the person came from a low income background, had a sibling and wanted to save money so that the sibling could go to school and pay tuition if needed (the individual got the full-merit scholarship and the research stipend).

Jan 11, 2022 - 7:00pm

Financial aid for HYPMS is need based for all, meaning that if you get in to any of them from a low-income background you are automatically guaranteed a full ride. Academic/athletic achievements are not considered when awarding aid.

https://admission.princeton.edu/cost-aid/how-princetons-aid-program-wor…

https://admissions.yale.edu/affordability-details

https://sfs.mit.edu/undergraduate-students/

  • Intern in PE - LBOs
Jan 11, 2022 - 2:31am

They do have athletes and I went through recruiting myself. While it does not guarantee admission, the coach will let you know what chances you have and if you should sign the NCAA document with another school instead after presenting your case to the admissions committee.

Jan 11, 2022 - 3:59am

MIT certainly has affirmative action. Yale has world class STEM research too, particularly in the pure sciences and math (a slight notch less than MIT or Harvard, but comparable to Columbia, Princeton, Penn, etc.). Schools aren't monoliths.

Jan 11, 2022 - 8:58am

Lol. If you think Princeton's math is less competent than Yale's than you have serious problem

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  • Intern in IB - Gen
Jan 11, 2022 - 9:28am

CalTech is probably the most meritocratic. They don't have affirmative action while MIT does. There are less than 20 Black undergrads in CalTech period. In comparison, there are over 300 Asians. 

Jan 11, 2022 - 9:16pm

This statistic does not prove your point! The culture of the school as well as the goals of the student is also a consideration. In addition, Caltech has approximately 1000 students total and is not is a college town. It and MIT are truly different schools. 

  • Intern in PE - LBOs
Jan 12, 2022 - 10:21am

Caltech does tend to favor women (they have been trying to get more women in STEM and maintain close to 50% ratio of women). But it might still be the most meritocratic institution in the US. A lot of STEM focused universities in other countries tend to have much lower percentage of women, so I do not mind this push either.

  • Analyst 1 in IB - Cov
Jan 11, 2022 - 11:48am

They actually do take legacies, it's just a tiny boost and something that differentiates you from an equal applicant. It's just not a separate pipeline. They also have affirmative action, as seen by their efforts to bring in more women and minorities. They also have separate recruiting pipeline for athletes, but it's not as aggressive as other schools and the standards of admissions remain.

Jan 11, 2022 - 12:29pm

I'm very biased toward Georgia Tech. D1 athletics (why would not having this be a "pro"), top academics, cheap cost (even out of state) as it's a public university. Only massive downside is the "ratio" which is 61%/39% even today (when I went it was lower, 70/30)

Be excellent to each other, and party on, dudes.
Jan 12, 2022 - 7:24am

The women students had a saying: "The odds are good, but the goods are odd" a very sick burn

Be excellent to each other, and party on, dudes.
Jan 11, 2022 - 3:01pm

Lol MIT definitely engages in affirmative action. My understanding of affirmative action is while it's not a federal mandate, it acts as a legal buffer in the case of wrongful discrimination. Pretty much every large organization, non profit or profit, engages in abiding by affirmative action guidelines.

Jan 11, 2022 - 3:03pm

Are you fucking out of your mind? In the unlikely event this is not a troll post, I shall respond in all seriousness.

MIT (and other STEM schools such as California Institute of Technology, Stanford, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech and UC Berkeley) are adequate schools, undisputably excelling in their niche fields. Caltech for Aerospace Engineering, Stanford for Computer Science, Berkeley for Electrical Engineering and MIT for Nuclear Engineering. 
 

Yet their respective alumni do not represent the trailblazers and leaders of civilization. That throne belongs to Oxbridge alone, with Yale and Wharton right behind them. They produce (and I quote), "coding bitch monkeys, human calculators, antisocial pale virgin keyboard chimpanzees and glorified welders and carpenters". 
 

MIT is not even the best for engineering. That's Cambridge and Imperial, followed by Caltech. It's not even the best for engineering in its country. To call it "the best school" is an utterly shortsighted and demented statement.

Its graduates shall never step foot within the ivory towers reserved for those who matriculate from Oxford, Cambridge and Yale. Its graduates shall never reach the obscene "splendor" of business and finance like Wharton and LSE. Its graduates shall never explore the stars and set foot on foreign planets like Cambridge, Imperial and Caltech. Its graduates shall never achieve the raw power and influence of Oxford PPEists or Yale JDs. 
 

MIT was founded in a backwater colony full of prisoners and prostitutes from Britain in 1851. Your father's father's father's father's father's was born before MIT even existed. 
 

Oxford was teaching Latin, Greek and philosophy at the height of Pax Romana, when the known world was united under a banner of crimson and gold. Cambridge was founded a millennia ago hardly 20 leagues north of the jewel of civilization, London. 
 

It is said that Oxbridge in their aggregate has contributed more to civilization than the Holy Roman Empire, Macedonia during the Hellenic Conquests and the Ottoman Empire combined, falling just short of the cultural dominance of the Roman Empire and British Empire. 
 

All other institutions after Oxbridge are but a pale shadow and mimicry of the splendor of her halls of marble and gold, including even Yale and Wharton.

Jan 12, 2022 - 4:48am

Your whole account is a troll post. 

Why are you so obsessed with Ivory towers? They are referenced in almost every single one of your comments I have seen.

Regardless, Tsinghua, ETH Zurich and NTU all got no mentions here but are realistically miles ahead of Oxford and Cambridge in regards to research productivity even without name brand.

Jan 12, 2022 - 6:57pm

They did. The far east was a backwater whose greatest empires (Parthia) was godstomped by the legions of Rome. North Africa (only relevant part of Africa) was under Roman dominion. North Europe was a backwater tundra with nothing of value. The Americas were full of hunter gatherers picking berries and riding bisons. China and India did not even form their first dynasties at this point.

Jan 11, 2022 - 3:29pm

This entire threat is disturbing for how many people are focusing on very minute differences between all top-notch academic institutions. OP, I expect Yale will be just fine in the next century, its not like they have a $40bn to beef out their STEM departments even further if they so choose...

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Jan 11, 2022 - 3:35pm

I was half joking when I started this thread but in all seriousness the point I was trying to make is that I think the ethos of STEM and the associated institutions are starting to supersede more traditional institutions and notions of prestige as tech starts to grab a bigger and bigger chunk of the economy.

  • Prospect in IB-M&A
Jan 11, 2022 - 9:00pm

Dude, you go to Darmouth or some shit, you don't know jack about MIT.

If you want banking from MIT, you can easily get it. Most people at MIT just have no interest in banking, especially if they can make more money in careers like quant trading or SWE at top unicorns, both of which pay higher, have better WLB, and actually have higher barriers of entry than IB

Jan 11, 2022 - 9:07pm

Predictable that people would hone in on finance recruiting and social life

MIT CalTech (more so the latter) have the least amount of aff action, donor admits, and athletic recruiting. Cognitive assessments are based on math, spatial facility, and verbal manipulation. The ivies and liberal arts college skew heavily towards the latter. The engineering schools have all three in spades. Ivy alums hate IQ testing because it does not reward their ability to be glib and submit five page essays with few citations. 

Jan 12, 2022 - 12:08pm

"No affirmative action" made me spit out my coffee. One of the stupidest girls I know from high school got in with mediocre grades and test scores who's also a known liar and cheater. Just because she's like 10% Hispanic or something. Such a joke 

Jan 12, 2022 - 1:19pm

The few black kids who was in Eton with me (no idea how, probably some diamond/oil tycoon's bastard kid) all went to US schools with shit-tier academics because they couldn't even get into Warwick or KCL.

Meanwhile, the inferior US schools, especially the privates scooped them up cause "muh black diversitee".

  • Intern in IB-M&A
Jan 12, 2022 - 3:33pm

exactly. this is why oxbridge will always be the feeder into the sacred Ivory Towers of politics, philosophy, etc, not some second-tier school that considers race in their admissions. what a joke, I am glad the British elite will never bend over for such bs

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