MFIN: Vandy v.s. WUSTL v.s. UT Austin

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Need advice on which MSF program to attend. Deciding between Vanderbilt, WUSTL, and UT Austin. I don't care about geographical location in terms of the school or placement. I want to be placed at a bulge bracket IB program.

My background:
- Umiami BA Econ gpa 3.1
- 1 year work exp. in financial services (credit officer)
- No relevant experience in college besides majoring in economics because it was an interest. I was pre-med and almost all my undergrad extra currics reflect that.
- No prior IB experience

Looking to:
- Get into a bulge bracket IB analyst/assoc. program

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Comments (21)

Apr 12, 2015

How did u get these offers with that gpa?

Apr 12, 2015

My major gpa was 3.6 but my overall gpa was killed by pre-med classes..
My 1 year work experience included a management role, strong letters of rec, decent test score. basically compensated for the gpa with every other aspect of the app.

Anyone have input on these programs and their track record with bulge bracket IBs?

Apr 13, 2015

They're all going to make IB doable, but without previous relevant finance internships you're gonna have to do a lot of legwork. I'd personally go Vandy. Placements will be similar everywhere, but Vandy is the nicest geographically imo.

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Apr 13, 2015

Vandy is the obvious choice. Only US MSF I'd choose ahead of it are MIT and Claremont

Apr 13, 2015
paidoff:

Vandy is the obvious choice. Only US MSF I'd choose ahead of it are MIT and Claremont

Unless you are trying to work in Houston in O&G banking in which you should definitely consider UT

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Apr 13, 2015

A couple of the top notch kids at these programs get BB IB. Boutique/MM is definitely doable but I wouldn't go in thinking your guaranteed a spot in a BB analyst class

Apr 13, 2015

I'm surprised with the preference on Vandy.

after all, those programs will land you some OCR, but you have to work at it with alums for IB.
in my opinion, WUSTL and UTAustin are national programs--Vandy slightly shorter in my opinion as it may have a little more difficulty outside of its South region.
I've seen WuSTL's OCR being solid; UTAustin & Vandy both have lots of BB alums I'm sure....it's more about using your opportunities well than getting into "one" program that will guarantee you IB.

For the records, WuSTL will offer no discounts--how is the packages for your other schools? You will probably shell out an MBA in a few years, and it doesnt hurt to save now~

Apr 13, 2015

There isn't a single MSF in the U.S. that will give you a good shot at BB IB. Almost all MSF's, including those in the top tier, place into boutique/regional MM. That being said, Vandy is your best shot out of the programs highlighted (I'm a WUSTL msf grad).

Apr 13, 2015
Esuric:

There isn't a single MSF in the U.S. that will give you a good shot at BB IB. Almost all MSF's, including those in the top tier, place into boutique/regional MM. That being said, Vandy is your best shot out of the programs highlighted (I'm a WUSTL msf grad).

a guy in your Q track got into GS this year; I think it was back office though..
However, I'd say IB is more for C track; given that your C track has >65% US students, Do you know how is the C track doing with placements?

Apr 13, 2015
shuang19:
Esuric wrote:

There isn't a single MSF in the U.S. that will give you a good shot at BB IB. Almost all MSF's, including those in the top tier, place into boutique/regional MM. That being said, Vandy is your best shot out of the programs highlighted (I'm a WUSTL msf grad).

a guy in your Q track got into GS this year; I think it was back office though..

However, I'd say IB is more for C track; given that your C track has >65% US students, Do you know how is the C track doing with placements?

My class had about 35% - 40% IB placement (if you include ER). No one went to BB IB and we had some very strong candidates.

Apr 14, 2015
Esuric:
shuang19 wrote:
Esuric wrote:

There isn't a single MSF in the U.S. that will give you a good shot at BB IB. Almost all MSF's, including those in the top tier, place into boutique/regional MM. That being said, Vandy is your best shot out of the programs highlighted (I'm a WUSTL msf grad).

a guy in your Q track got into GS this year; I think it was back office though..

However, I'd say IB is more for C track; given that your C track has >65% US students, Do you know how is the C track doing with placements?

My class had about 35% - 40% IB placement (if you include ER). No one went to BB IB and we had some very strong candidates.

He's right. Very few, if any, candidates get BB/EB banking if you exclude the individuals who did their undergraduate at the same university.

Apr 14, 2015
ChimpOnMyShoulder:

Esuric wrote:

shuang19 wrote:

Esuric wrote:
There isn't a single MSF in the U.S. that will give you a good shot at BB IB. Almost all MSF's, including those in the top tier, place into boutique/regional MM. That being said, Vandy is your best shot out of the programs highlighted (I'm a WUSTL msf grad).

a guy in your Q track got into GS this year; I think it was back office though..
However, I'd say IB is more for C track; given that your C track has >65% US students, Do you know how is the C track doing with placements?

My class had about 35% - 40% IB placement (if you include ER). No one went to BB IB and we had some very strong candidates.

He's right. Very few, if any, candidates get BB/EB banking if you exclude the individuals who did their undergraduate at the same university.

I agree with most of your thinking,
except the last part--

I wonder if there're much students who take MSF after UG (more likely for non-Business UG students)...
But if their UG is already WuSTL/Vandy, I feel it doesnt make sense to go for an MSF... (although to eyes of some people it probably does)

Apr 14, 2015
shuang19:
ChimpOnMyShoulder wrote:
Esuric wrote:

shuang19 wrote:

Esuric wrote:

There isn't a single MSF in the U.S. that will give you a good shot at BB IB. Almost all MSF's, including those in the top tier, place into boutique/regional MM. That being said, Vandy is your best shot out of the programs highlighted (I'm a WUSTL msf grad).

a guy in your Q track got into GS this year; I think it was back office though..

However, I'd say IB is more for C track; given that your C track has >65% US students, Do you know how is the C track doing with placements?

My class had about 35% - 40% IB placement (if you include ER). No one went to BB IB and we had some very strong candidates.

He's right. Very few, if any, candidates get BB/EB banking if you exclude the individuals who did their undergraduate at the same university.

I agree with most of your thinking,

except the last part--

I wonder if there're much students who take MSF after UG (more likely for non-Business UG students)...

But if their UG is already WuSTL/Vandy, I feel it doesnt make sense to go for an MSF... (although to eyes of some people it probably does)

For cmc there is quite a few. Same with UVA's MIM. For vandy it is less common. Can't speak for wustl

Apr 14, 2015
ChimpOnMyShoulder:

shuang19 wrote:

ChimpOnMyShoulder wrote:

Esuric wrote:
shuang19 wrote:
Esuric wrote:
There isn't a single MSF in the U.S. that will give you a good shot at BB IB. Almost all MSF's, including those in the top tier, place into boutique/regional MM. That being said, Vandy is your best shot out of the programs highlighted (I'm a WUSTL msf grad).
a guy in your Q track got into GS this year; I think it was back office though..
However, I'd say IB is more for C track; given that your C track has >65% US students, Do you know how is the C track doing with placements?
My class had about 35% - 40% IB placement (if you include ER). No one went to BB IB and we had some very strong candidates.

He's right. Very few, if any, candidates get BB/EB banking if you exclude the individuals who did their undergraduate at the same university.
I agree with most of your thinking,
except the last part--
I wonder if there're much students who take MSF after UG (more likely for non-Business UG students)...
But if their UG is already WuSTL/Vandy, I feel it doesnt make sense to go for an MSF... (although to eyes of some people it probably does)

For cmc there is quite a few. Same with UVA's MIM. For vandy it is less common. Can't speak for wustl

Friend, you're absolutely right.
I just think though, it really depends on who gets into the program.
CMC, UVA, Vandy or WUSTL will all have BB people on the streets--it is more about who work harder, who network harder, and who make the best use of their tools on hand. It could be that those who do BB after MSF work a lot harder, not necessarily where they're from.

I'm very close to WuSTL but nobody in IB do OCR or resume drops at our place. He entered a boutique and it took him 10x the work. But he got it at the end.

Apr 13, 2015

All are great programs and will place well in general. I'd probably open yourself up to non BB firms. Plenty of great banks outside of the handful of bulge bracket players.

Vanderbilt has placements on lock thanks to the career service head. He is amazing. Preps students, works on recruiters, full process.

End of the day all three of these programs will provide you will the network and recruiting necessary to get a banking job. Actually landing the offer is going to depend on your effort level.

I'd suggest visiting the campus of each school. Pros and cons of both and the feel is a big part of it.

Congrats for getting into 3 great schools.

Apr 13, 2015

Can confirm, Vandy's career coach is amazing.

Apr 14, 2015
TNA:

All are great programs and will place well in general. I'd probably open yourself up to non BB firms. Plenty of great banks outside of the handful of bulge bracket players.

Vanderbilt has placements on lock thanks to the career service head. He is amazing. Preps students, works on recruiters, full process.

End of the day all three of these programs will provide you will the network and recruiting necessary to get a banking job. Actually landing the offer is going to depend on your effort level.

I'd suggest visiting the campus of each school. Pros and cons of both and the feel is a big part of it.

Congrats for getting into 3 great schools.

why would anyone poop this. some people on WSO are a little crazy sometimes if they don't hear what they want to hear

Apr 13, 2015

Esuric where do you come up with this stuff? Pretty sure both MIT and Claremont can get u BB offers

Apr 13, 2015
BobTheBaker:

Esuric where do you come up with this stuff? Pretty sure both MIT and Claremont can get u BB offers

You're pretty sure of this based on what, exactly? Also, to be clear, I never said that you can't get BB IB. I only said that it's very difficult/rare.

Apr 14, 2015
Apr 14, 2015