Nervous about going into office

Is it just me, or is anyone nervous about returning to the office given how omicron is spreading like wildfire throughout NYC? I know the symptoms are milder, but I've had a few friends get it recently and their experiences have still been pretty unpleasant.

In our office no one wears masks and we all sit pretty close together, so I feel like it's a given I'll catch it at work in the near future. 

Do you think I can voice these concerns to my associates or higher ups? I don't want to be that person who is a complainer, but I have genuine concerns. 

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  • Analyst 1 in IB - Gen
Jan 9, 2022 - 7:16pm

Why is it deemed lazy to want to WFH in the first place? Ridiculous premise and is why this industry will become a joke if it doesn't keep up. 

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Jan 9, 2022 - 7:15pm

How did society carry on before this mass formation psychosis came about?  nervous?

You are young.  At your age, people that get it are getting mild flu like symptoms.  No one was nervous about getting a fever 5 years ago.  Now people are terrified.....

Get away from  social media, nytimes, reddit etc and you will stop worrying about this stuff so much.

A lady in houston was arrested this week for driving her symptomatic son to a testing site IN THE TRUNK of her car, since she was terrified of getting the virus from him.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jan/08/houston-woman-son-covid…

Jan 10, 2022 - 2:06pm

Mass formation is not just some hoax fyi. It developed out of the work of Gustav Le Bon, Hannah Arendt, and many other psychologists in the 20th century and before. Mattias Desmet, a professor from Belgium, has popularized its application to the COVID response. Look up some of his interviews on mass formation & COVID to better understand.

One of his interviews is below.

Jan 11, 2022 - 4:06pm

Mass psychosis is an intentionally inflammatory phrasing, but I agree it is pretty clear that an irrational risk aversion to this one topic has become normalized. People do not deal with new risks well relative to familiar risks, and there are way too many trunk ladies out there. For a healthy, vaccinated person, the risk is basically like driving a car to work, although I do think there is still a lot of validity for people in high risk groups to be much more cautious with COVID than they have historically been with other diseases.

  • Intern in IB - Gen
Jan 11, 2022 - 7:24pm

Preach bro. Idgaf abt COVID anymore. Fuck the masks and all this other bs. I did the analysis on another post with all the data (can repost it here if requested), but people between the age 0-50 are more likely to die from a car crash than COVID. This was even without the vaccine lol.

Jan 12, 2022 - 2:01am

Yes,

Funny enough, its also a school teacher that did this

women has sore throat develop on flight, decides to grab a PCR test in her carryon and tests in the BATHROOM.  positive.  Decides to quarantine rest of cross atlantic flight in the bathroom and tik tok stream her experience.

https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/icelandair-covid-passenger-quarantin…

https://www.tiktok.com/@marisaefotieo/video/7043999713166642438

Jan 12, 2022 - 9:37am

I've got an even better one for you. I have a loose acquiantance (met him a bit in person, but know him mostly from an online group) who owns a business doing home media installation. He went out on a job himself recently and noticed that the husband was shouting out numbers to his wife apparently at random. Just like "THREE!!!" ...."FIVE!!!!!". They didn't seem to be any kind of a count up or down or anything.

Then he figured it out. The dude was yelling the distance from his wife whenever she got too close to him, reminding her to stay six feet away.

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Jan 12, 2022 - 12:27pm

You're ignorant. Apart from the data which I hope you can familiarize yourself with at some point, I personally know 2 people who had COVID more than 6 months ago and still haven't fully regained their sense of smell. This isn't a joke and should be taken seriously. My ability to smell and breath is more important than my IBD's revenue.

Jan 12, 2022 - 2:36pm

1940:  even though we might lose arms, legs, or get a face burned off from the ongoing nazi blitz in London, im going to be defiant, and carry on with the famous stoic British spirit.  Thus won't stop me from going on about normally.

2022: someone I know lost their sense of smell, I better not leave my apartment.

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  • Analyst 1 in IB - Cov
Jan 9, 2022 - 7:55pm

Pretty much yeah. I probably don't plan on bringing this up, but was just curious if anyone else had concerns about working in such close quarters with others. Based on the responses above doesn't seem like people are worried. 

  • Analyst 2 in IB-M&A
Jan 9, 2022 - 8:04pm

I think you should voice your opinion to your direct supervisor (associate?). As long as you're working hard, delivering work on time, and providing quality work, it shouldn't matter where you work. 
 

Obviously if they give you a hard time then you'll have to go in but it's better to ask and potentially get wfh versus not getting it all. 

  • Analyst 1 in IB - Cov
Jan 9, 2022 - 8:38pm

It's definitely not full of right wingers (at least as far as I'm aware lol) but I have noticed that no one wears a mask on our floor. I would feel a bit awkward being the only one wearing a mask but I'm considering just doing it. 

  • VP in IB-M&A
Jan 9, 2022 - 10:02pm

I won't work for any company that doesn't provide me with a permanent WFH option.

I left a BB in late 2020 due to shit WL balance and now work for another IB where I can live wherever I want.

  • Analyst 1 in IB - Gen
Jan 9, 2022 - 10:05pm

Ya'll need to just stop working at shops that don't have WFH options at this point...send a message.

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  • Investment Analyst in PE - Other
Jan 9, 2022 - 10:24pm

Were you this afraid of the flu 3 years ago? …wtf dude move on

  • Analyst 1 in IB - Gen
Jan 9, 2022 - 10:52pm

Why should he still have to go into the office when firms are increasingly providing remote options...move on.

  • Associate 2 in IB - Gen
Jan 9, 2022 - 10:59pm

The reality is you're expendable to these banks. They only care about profits and if you don't like it, then you should just leave for something else. Google is wfh forever... And pays better 

  • Prospect in IB-M&A
Jan 10, 2022 - 1:24am

people here are so dismissive. i think its a legitimate concern. don't know why banks tryna force people to head back to office. not only is omicron still dangerous to elderly and other vulnerable groups, but times are changing. firms are moving to hybrid or wfh so its just archaic for OP's firm to be so hung up on outdated work styles. honestly it sucks OP, I'm not sure what to do in your situation...in the end they're the one holding your job.

Jan 10, 2022 - 2:17am

Legit concern. Given the option of staying healthy and falling sick, logical choice is staying healthy? Can you say you're at risk (childhood asthma or something) if that's the case?

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  • Intern in IB - Cov
Jan 10, 2022 - 11:16am

unless you have some kind of underlying condition, i would suggest behaving like a man and sucking it up 

  • Analyst 2 in IB - Cov
Jan 10, 2022 - 2:39pm

I actually really prefer WFH, here I get my gf to cook me meals all the time, have a phenomenal coffee machine and can work in my sweats and a tank top. What kind of boot-licking cuck actually wants to go back in?

  • Associate 1 in PE - Growth
Jan 10, 2022 - 2:57pm

I am curious to know if any banks are sticking to a permanent hybrid WFH model. For a lot of growth equity shops, many are ok with switching to a hybrid model for the foreseeable future.

Jan 10, 2022 - 5:05pm

if you haven't been given orders to return to the office, don't stir shit that isn't there

if you're concerned about covid, get vaccinated/boosted and get in good shape

if after being vaccinated you are still afraid of covid and don't have comorbidities or cohabitating with immunodepressed senior citizens, then you should really take a step back and look at the logic of your fears. so I ask you: what, specifically, are you afraid of? and why is this risk worse in the office than elsewhere? I presume you live in an apartment building in NYC with less than stellar ventilation and since it's winter with closed windows. news flash: this is how the first sars pandemic spread, so you're arguably less safe at home than you are in the office.

and in case you think I'm talking out of my ass, I got delta right before christmas, was like a sinus infection, didn't take off work or skip a workout, just took the workouts easy and couldn't see grandparents at xmas. take your precautions, be smart (e.g. don't see a 90 year old when you just tested positive, DUH), and then move the fuck on with your life

edit: so I can distance myself from the people who are advocating that OP should get the virus or other comments about being a man, I'm not. I'm just saying his calculus around relative risk is most likely off, and that the office is probably no riskier than his apartment building (assuming his apt is in NYC), so I think the idea that wfh carries little to no risk whereas the office carries high risk is just wrong. I think it's dumb to force people to work from an office. I think it's dumb to assume you're safe at home in the winter from a respiratory disease known to spread through ventilation systems. I think it's dumb to judge people for their vaccine status. I think it's dumb to be afraid of something without taking a nuanced approach (e.g. being equally afraid of omicron as you were from the first variant pre-vaccine). this is why I advocate taking a step back, looking at all of the facts, and making a better informed decision.

Jan 10, 2022 - 6:17pm

So, I work in pharma. Some drawbacks, but I have a hybrid work environment but may possibly change soon given Omicron and the new 'deltacron'.

Vaccinated, boosted plus flu shot. Somehow I caught the flu and now recovering from it. Tested negative for COVID (blessings).

My old financial institution I worked for (considering going back), are all WFH permanently until further notice, and launched a new program to make it possible.

The gold standard is always in person, even as my current company will eagerly push for in-person, as well as law firms I know of are pushing for in-person attendance.

However! Today's dynamics and risks are different then those of the past, and employers need to provide flexibility or permanent WFH capabilities to not only retain talent, but also ease/reduce the spread of a highly contagious virulent illness.

Jan 11, 2022 - 5:09pm

IcedxTaro

So, I work in pharma. Some drawbacks, but I have a hybrid work environment but may possibly change soon given Omicron and the new 'deltacron'.

Vaccinated, boosted plus flu shot. Somehow I caught the flu and now recovering from it. Tested negative for COVID (blessings).

My old financial institution I worked for (considering going back), are all WFH permanently until further notice, and launched a new program to make it possible.

The gold standard is always in person, even as my current company will eagerly push for in-person, as well as law firms I know of are pushing for in-person attendance.

However! Today's dynamics and risks are different then those of the past, and employers need to provide flexibility or permanent WFH capabilities to not only retain talent, but also ease/reduce the spread of a highly contagious virulent illness.

Law firm did not want in-person.  Most managing partners in the V100 begged to continue remote work.  Clients, most of whom work from home or are hybrid, demanded they go back to the office.  Law firms have no leverage with clients.  They will take their business elsewhere, they do not care if it is your father's funeral.  You better take that call in the middle of your eulogy if you have documents to turn over that weekend.

  • VP in IB-M&A
Jan 10, 2022 - 6:19pm

Worked at a PE firm in Toronto. CEO would force staff to come into the office (this was before the vaccines were even available) and would threaten to fire people who didn't come in. Dickhead contracted covid from not being careful and still wanted people in the office around him. So many dickheads in PE/IB - it's common decency to allow WFH right now.

Jan 10, 2022 - 6:34pm

See those are the people that if they landed in the hospital, you will not see a tear shed from me. In fact, I would think of this as population control. Less people like that in the world the better. 

Jan 10, 2022 - 6:35pm

OP indicates that they work for a BB. While I am not in NYC, I do work for a BB

1 - Most BBs have slowed down their return to the office as a direct cause of omicron. Perhaps yours will do the same? Give it a little more time. 

2 - Most people managers that I have met (including myself) are fairly lenient when it comes to covid concerns - everyone is reacting in their own way, their own family concerns, their own health management, etc. I think that if you approach your manager in the right way, and assuming your manager isn't a total douche, you might find some empathy there and have some accommodations made for you. Just do it privately and at the right time and I think you'll be fine. Besides, its still the Great Resignation, most companies will do anything to avoid losing a good worker right now.

Stay optimistic, I think this can work out for you if done right. Good luck!

Jan 11, 2022 - 1:59pm

 Back Office is way more lenient than front regarding return to office.         

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Jan 10, 2022 - 7:45pm

I got the most recent variant (presumably since I got COVID recently). Sucks. Yeah, I'm 26 so it didn't kill me and it was more like a flu or really bad cold- still sucks. I mean I wouldn't knowingly get a cold just to prove my "manliness". I mean wtf kind of logic is that above? Also just because it likely won't kill you doesn't mean it's something to not care about.

OP you've gotta decide what's important to you- trying to be in the perceived good graces of a firm or feeling comfortable with your living and work situation. Personally I'd just say "Hey I'm concerned about this new variant, I'd like to stay remote until it's spreading is under control and am happy to accommodate with check ins and other deliverables to make sure my performance isn't impacted." Maybe this is shit advice but I fully adopted the "tell, don't ask" mentality. If someone has a problem with it fuck them, I'll get another job, my life won't be over. That's my $0.02 anyway 

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  • PM in HF - Other
Jan 10, 2022 - 9:17pm

Know a firm who was all "manly, come into office we want to see you, your lazy if you aint here, we young and healthy." Week later senoir individual's whole family got it and poof everyone was wfh. 

Finance is hierarchy they give zero shits about you so stand your guard and say I am not comfortable cases up and do you wfh, they have zero legal standing anyways.

  • Analyst 1 in IB-M&A
Jan 11, 2022 - 9:43am

I guess this forum proves you don't really need a brain to work in finance. Risk / reward for health is obviously favouring wfh. Already working like a dog with little sleep...why even risk it? Easily can turn into something more serious. Flu just ebbed and flowed, but covid is a god damn pandemic spreading like crazy. Also the biggest concern isn't that omicron is mild. It's that the more people get infected, the more it has a chance of mutating into something else. You fuckers all learned about future value in finance. Look to the future here when more people get fucking infected. Also consider that covid damages a whole list of organs. Omicron is mild because it spares the lungs, but it may still affect other organs, which going back to my original point, why risk it? Even though hospitalization rates are low with omicron, a small percent of a large number is still large, which is exactly why the NYC hospital system is strained. Like wtf? How did you all even get through college with such fucking illogical small brains? This is literally one of the few times where self-interest and larger societal interest is aligned...and I hate wearing masks as much as the next guy. 

Back to the original point, I agree with others about wearing a mask in the office. If they give you stink eye, so what? If your work product doesn't suffer in quality, what can these dumbasses say to you? "Your work is great, but we need you to stop wearing masks." Maybe that's when it is time to look for a new bank or group who doesn't have as many stupid fucks in the group. 

Jan 11, 2022 - 11:42am

ok now please explain to me why holing up in an apartment in NYC with old ventilation is safer than an office. if it truly wasn't worth the risk then OP should live as far away from other people as possible, but that's not the question. it's apartment versus office, and I think both are equally risky, therefore I think his ideas on assuming risk are illogical

  • Analyst 1 in IB-M&A
Jan 11, 2022 - 11:55am

Look I understand your point about the ventilation and its precedence with SARS. That may be the only intelligible argument against wfh (just "man up" … really?). In either case, the transmission rate would be much higher in a place with a bunch of people without masks than through ventilation which may or may not cause infection - notice that NYC apartments are typically much larger than HK apartments. So of the two choices, what is the better / less worse one? Wfh every time. 

Jan 13, 2022 - 2:53am

It's not just about your output. You want people to like you, don't be that one guy wearing a mask when no one else is. Also if everyone else IS wearing one, you should as well. But it just shows a lack of EQ to be the odd man out

  • Analyst 1 in IB-M&A
Jan 13, 2022 - 2:13pm

idk man you could also argue that the people who are criticizing you for wearing a mask lacks EQ as well. you can still be a good person while wearing a mask or not, and as long as you don't defend yourself like a dick then that's fine. like mentioned, if something as small as wearing a mask is a problem when all else is good, then that's time to move out because they clearly lack the EQ to be accepting of a small difference

Jan 11, 2022 - 5:50pm

SnappleApple

Do you retards realize a lot of people dont like getting sick??

This sentiment keeps coming up one way or another, but I think it misses the point. Are you going to the grocery store to get groceries? Are you eating at restaurants? The point is that people need to be taking a holistic, logical, and rational based approach void from emotion. Examples:

  • Do you retards realize a lot of people dont like getting in car accidents?? Yes - I'm one of them! However, that doesn't mean I'm never going to travel on a road with a speed limit in excess of 20 mph b/c that would be insufferable despite the fact that car accidents kill just as many people as coivd does (in my personal demographic profile).
  • Do you retards realize a lot of people dont like getting myocarditis? Yes!! However, the risk of myocarditis from mRNA vaccines is pretty low, and most people fully recover. Clearly, a rational approach would suggest that the rewards of vaccines outweigh the risks.

I could go on and on and on. I don't know the OP's exact situation, so it entirely might be the rational desire to WFH. However, I question the sincerity of many 20-somethings claiming to be against working in-office strictly b/c of covid. It's either: (1) disingenuous, (2) a genuine fear that makes me sad b/c young people in their prime should not be irrationally withering away their lives away from other people (bear in mind there are other ways to reduce transmission other than WFH), or (3) a medical or other unique situation.

Jan 11, 2022 - 10:47pm

I appreciate the sentiment of your post, but full recovery from myocarditis is rare. It's a serious, chronic condition that often times is fatal, and is, ironically, a common comorbidity.

Jan 12, 2022 - 9:16am

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SnappleApple

Do you retards realize a lot of people dont like getting sick??

This sentiment keeps coming up one way or another, but I think it misses the point. Are you going to the grocery store to get groceries? Are you eating at restaurants? The point is that people need to be taking a holistic, logical, and rational based approach void from emotion. Examples:

  • Do you retards realize a lot of people dont like getting in car accidents?? Yes - I'm one of them! However, that doesn't mean I'm never going to travel on a road with a speed limit in excess of 20 mph b/c that would be insufferable despite the fact that car accidents kill just as many people as coivd does (in my personal demographic profile).
  • Do you retards realize a lot of people dont like getting myocarditis? Yes!! However, the risk of myocarditis from mRNA vaccines is pretty low, and most people fully recover. Clearly, a rational approach would suggest that the rewards of vaccines outweigh the risks.

I could go on and on and on. I don't know the OP's exact situation, so it entirely might be the rational desire to WFH. However, I question the sincerity of many 20-somethings claiming to be against working in-office strictly b/c of covid. It's either: (1) disingenuous, (2) a genuine fear that makes me sad b/c young people in their prime should not be irrationally withering away their lives away from other people (bear in mind there are other ways to reduce transmission other than WFH), or (3) a medical or other unique situation.

There is a raging wave going on that seems to evade vaccines / vaccinated. Yes it is mild, but why is it irrational to want to take some precautions while this wave hasn't yet reached the peak?

I actually got it in this latest wave but being locked down in your apartment for a week isn't something I would really wish on anyone if they can avoid it.

Jan 11, 2022 - 6:47pm

You sound like a gigantic pussy. I'd sit on that shit if I were you 'cause you'll come off as weak otherwise. You need to turn off the TV and social media -- the fear mongering the've been doing is clearly working.

Jan 11, 2022 - 10:45pm

You cannot spend your life hiding from these strains. If you get it, you will be fight through it and gain immunity. Avoid the elderly while your contagious.

If you feel symptoms, stay active, drink water, take Zinc, Vitamins C and D, and Melatonin at night.

I am not a doctor and this is not medical advice.

Jan 11, 2022 - 11:57pm

If you want to WFH because it provides better WLB, then I don't see why that's an issue. You'll still be forced in, but I understand the argument.

What I don't understand is wanting that perk under the guise of fearing Covid. A bunch of 20 somethings in accounting who never had to go into the office before are kicking and screaming, projecting their dishonesty on everyone else, and being terrible at their jobs because they don't know how to ask questions in person or over Teams. If this is what you want, you're just wasting your own time.

  • Intern in IB - Gen
Jan 12, 2022 - 1:02am

Facts. This is my thought too. I totally get that WFH is amazing and support it myself, but people should just say that as their excuse for not wanting to go to the office. Pretending that COVID is dangerous and could hurt them when they have no comorbidities and are vaccinated is just downright stupid. The people fearing COVID probably never thought once about driving their car, even though they are more likely to die in a car accident, as long as they're under 50. This is without even taking the vaccine by the way. It's even way lower if you did get vaccinated. The media doesn't tell them about car accidents on a daily base though, so they don't fear it.

Just to note, the above paragraph is not me recommending against the vaccine. I took it and think it's a good thing that people should take. I also believe in natural immunity too though, and blanket vaccine mandates don't really do a service to people who have already recovered from COVID.

Everyone needs to take a break from social media and the MSM and learn to critically evaluate things for themselves. Being a NPC and following someone lock in step is not a good idea. I understand if you live with an immunocompromised/elderly person and don't want to possibly spread it them. That makes some sense. However, if anybody in their 20s is personally scared about COVID despite being vaccinated and healthy, then they're just gullible and got duped by the fear mongering doom porn.

Masks, unless they are form fitted and N95, are pretty much useless for the most part. We are seeing more and more evidence that COVID has been spreading by aerosols and not droplets. The WHO literally took down an article which admitted to aerosol transmission in October 2020, probably just to cover their ass. Aerosols are much smaller particles and remain suspended in the air for long periods of time and can easily invade most masks.  There have been many random control trial peer reviewed studies on masks, and I haven't seen one that found a statistically significant result. If you have, please feel free to link me one so I can take a look.

Plus, people don't even take the masks off using the ear straps like they're supposed to. They just pull the front down with their bacteria laden hands, rendering the mask useless. Or they reuse the same one over and over and take it out of their nasty pockets. Cloth and surgical masks are useless. Doctors are using perfectly fitting N95's that are sterilized, along with other breathing apparatus, and they replace them almost every hour or two. And even then, a lot of diseases can still spread through N95's. Some RCT's have shown that N95's can be just as useless as surgical masks against certain viruses.

If you want to wear a mask, that's fine and don't let others not wearing one dissuade you from doing so. If you want an actual protective effect though, you better be using a form fitted N95. Don't touch that shit with your hands and have several so that you're not using the same one for more than a day. Personally, I don't care about this mask shit anymore and don't wear them unless it's mandated in the building I'm in. I think the only things that have actually been working in reducing negative outcomes are the vaccines and natural immunity. There's not really good evidence supporting masks making a difference.

Jan 12, 2022 - 6:24am

Look, if you are vaccinated, just carry on with life as you would. Covid will clearly be something we deal with forever. In my office, which required vaccination to be in, we had a 35+ breakout of cases in Omicron in a week on my floor. While this sounds drastic, almost everyone who tested positive did so due to office HR encouraging regular tests. Almost everyone who tested positive were asymptomatic with the remainder having very mild cold-like symptoms. So to you your friends who got it with bad symptoms, I question were they vaccd/boosted? And did they find out if they got delta vs omicron?

If you're at a larger bank, your management has likely made a decision on whether or not they want to have people in vs not so I think if you've taken your protective measures, go about your life as normal. The chances of you having a bad reaction are relatively low and even if you do get it, it will likely be just like getting the flu. Not pleasant but it is survivable and something you've likely already gone through before.

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Jan 12, 2022 - 9:43am

Realistically you're going to catch it whether or not you do this. The main vector of transmission to date (across all variants) has been grocery stores and those cloth masks people wear are now being said to be useless by medical authorities.  Being in the office won't matter much, and even then the masks won't keep you safe the entire day (even military grade gas mask filters don't last a whole day).  FYI even what the military calls MOPP 4 (full, head to toe sealed protective gear with a gas mask) is not intended for you to hang out in a contaminated area, but rather to be a barrier that holds up long enough for you to get to safety.  

TLDR: doesn't really matter what gear you wear if you're hanging out in cramped quarters for 14 hours straight.  

My focus instead would be on making sure that you're following the best prophylactic protocols possible.  At this point we know what factors are correlated with the best outcomes for COVID and most of them are easy to do. For example, making sure you're finding a way to get as much sunlight as you can by doing things like taking your lunch and coffee while walking outside and following an anti-inflammatory diet.

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Jan 12, 2022 - 10:08am

bro. go outside. touch some grass. stop living in fear. if you're actually trying to "follow the science", the science is pretty clear that unless you're (a) immunocompromised, and/or (b) have 4+ comorbidites, and/or (c) are unvaccinated/unboosted, that you're fine. Omicron is more mild than the common cold. you're fine. chill out. go catch it and generate natural immunity. it'll do you better than any crappy vax.

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