Secondaries / IR Career Post-IB?

Top bucket first-year IB coverage analyst, GS / MS / JP, thinking about what to do next.

I fucking hate due diligence and can't see myself writing 100+ page memos nobody is going to read for IC for the next 2 years. Don't believe I have what it takes to excel in a markets-facing role.

I really enjoy the relationship aspect of the job, and consistently get told I'm good with clients, so was thinking either secondary investing or an IR gig would be a logical step. I haven't heard much about the space given most of my peers are interested in traditional PE / HF roles, and would appreciate any general insights into comp, career progression, etc - really am clueless.

Money is pretty important to me and I'm wondering what the 'cap' is for IR, for example I wouldn't be fine taking a comp cut to <120k, even if lifestyle-adjusted. For IR, does fund size matter? Am I better off being a monkey at Blackstone vs. one of a few at a random MM fund? Do MM / UMM funds even hire IR associates? Do I have a shot if I'm not a 5'10 blonde supermodel from NYU?

For secondaries - or even FoF - I understand it's just as much about choosing the manager as it is about the asset (class). Is that a right understanding? Does comp scale similarly to the primary side? Carry? Do I need an MBA to move up? How important is the relationship management aspect of it vs. the analytical side? Travel / booze and schmooze a thing early on?

To be clear, I'm very competent technically / analytically, that's not a factor. I just enjoy the people aspect more. If my view of those roles is too rosy maybe I'll just suck it up and recruit for PE.

Appreciate any thoughts, thank you!

 

A lot of secondaries funds these days do more asset-level due diligence with GP-led deals, while others, particularly the larger platforms, might be more keen on FoF-style Primaries + more traditional LP-led secondaries. The secondaries landscape is changing pretty rapidly, though, and becoming more 'complex.' Comp at the top secondaries players for As1, at my firm and according to other threads here, is around 240-250K all-in. Secondaries advisory shops (PJT/EVR/Lazard being the top ones) probably offer more competitive comp for Associates but instead of 60-75 hours might be 85-100, so I've heard from folks at EVR. 

Having done an extended internship in IR, it doesn't seem true that all that you have to be a supermodel to succeed, the firm I was at (UMM PE) was wildly successful with capital raising, but that also came with 80+ hour weeks even for the most senior folks. Can't speak directly to their comp. Generally, I'd argue that with more firms moving away from placement agents and building out in-house IR teams, the role is probably becoming more of a grind but also better paid. 

 

Awesome, really helpful. Even from the sellside we see a lot more co-invest and even direct investments from players that traditionally didn't do primary.

I imagine in terms of what I'm looking for (more exposure to people, less to the investment process) it'd make sense to target those doing traditional primaries / secondaries. Any platforms that come to mind? I know Ardian is a big player. I don't mind long hours as long as it's not on 100 iterations of some 100 page deck (and I do wonder what you do in IR that makes you pull 80 hour weeks?)

 

Ardian is definitely a big player that does more traditional FoF work. Alpinvest and BX Strategic Partners do a lot of co-investments and BX just raised a separate GP-led focused fund (as did Blackrock PE Partners, I believe), but all of these larger platforms certainly dominate the FoF space, too. Also check out LGT, HarbourVest, Adams Street, Lexington, Coller Capital, & Neuberger. Maybe also look into foundation/endowment investing? 

Re: the long IR hours, for the firm I was at, they were raising ~8Bn+ Funds with limited placement agent help as a team of 5-6 people. The number of requests alone that came in from 200+ LPs + the amount of tracking, marketing material creation, travel, relationship management, etc...made it all pretty intense. Half of the team had worked in IR/BD at MFs previously, though, so they're used to it. 

 

Left a seat doing both co-investments snd fund investments and the split between investment diligence (mainly with direct investments) and “face to face meetings and work” on the fund side, although there was plenty of that on the co-investment side meeting with partner sponsors and company management teams was ideal. I would’ve stayed and tried to move up if I didn’t get another great opportunity at a well known growth equity shop.

 

Nice, thanks.

  • How does comp work for seniors? I feel like if I do pivot to the fundraising side I'd want to make a career out of it.
  • Do you get [ ] bps of raised capital?
  • Is mid-six figures realistic for whatever the IR equivalent to Principal is?
  • Are seniors usually 'IR lifers' or do the best fundraisers come from the investment side?
  • Do people typically jump between funds or stick it out with one platform?

Sorry for the barrage of questions, please do answer as much as you want!

 
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The below is based on my personal experience and YMMV.

  1. Senior fundraisers are generally comped either with a base salary and a % of dollars raised or a traditional base / bonus / carry structure. You’ll see the commission structure more commonly if you’re at a placement agent or if you’re working for smaller firms raising capital for one off deals/projects, generally from HNW LPs. At your institutional funds your senior sales team usually isn’t paid based on a direct commission percentage, but indirectly the bonus piece of their comp will be tied to targets.
  1. If you’re aligned with the fundraising/capital formation team then mid-six figures should be attainable (3-5 will be more common then 5-7) and this is also attainable at a placement agent. However, this is going to vary a lot by shop. Some firms respect IR/BD and others don’t and that will be reflected in comp. Also, the purely IR guys who sit in more of a reporting/client service role aren’t going to be comped as well. Neither will traditional corporate IR.
  1. I’ve seen people succeed from both backgrounds. You don’t need an investment background but the guys that really crush it are fluent in the product(s) they’re pitching. The investment team should be focused on, you know, investing, so a good sales team is equipped to take prospects through the strategy at a high-to-medium level and save the PM’s time for late stage deep dive sessions. It’s a role that requires breadth.
  1. I’m speculating, but at the junior level when you’re still an execution resource there is probably comparable turnover to what you see in other roles. At the senior level you may see more longevity with firms, assuming your successful, because these are 12-18 month sales cycles and you obviously want credit for the tickets you close. An old timer explained his moves to me once by saying that after a few funds are successfully invested (at good returns) capital becomes easier to raise. His view, as a pretty highly comped fundraiser, was that he delivered the most value to firms earlier in their lifecycle and after a certain point it made sense for him to move on to the next platform. That said, in an industry like PE it could take the first 10-15 years to raise and invest 3 funds.
 

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