Shut. The F*ck. Up.

Disclaimer: I abhor both candidates who captivated the nation Tuesday evening as their bizarre and disgusting efforts over the past year that made our country look like a flaming pile of shit in a paper bag, desperate to be stamped out, reached their ultimate climax. I wrote recently about both candidates, in a couple of posts, here and here and here. I voted for neither, though I did vote. I am lucky enough to live in California, where I am able to lend support to a third party (with the delusional hopes of one day breaking up the duopoly that strong-arms what should be a multi-party system) without affecting the overall impact of the election. That being said, I have no idea who I would have voted for if I honestly had to choose.

To move on, my point - If you have said anything whatsoever, and this is especially true if you did so on any kind of social media platform, there is approximately a 99% chance that you shouldn't have said it. Really, and truly, let me cry out for those of us who remain rational in a time of divided insanity:

Shut the fuck up.

If you are a Democrat or a liberal or a disenfranchised conservative who voted for Hillary Clinton because you couldn't imagine a man like Donald Trump as our president, I feel for you. It must have hurt to think you were going to win, only to see that much of the country is far more concerned with dismembering a corrupt establishment, with taking back what feels is belonged, with protecting themselves and their individual needs, more than making sure an inexperienced blowhard with no self-control (in any aspect of life it seems) never gets to see the inside of the White House and officially be sworn in as the leader of the free world. It's confusing, I know. That being said, you, nor I, nor anyone for that matter, has the right to apologize on behalf of the country. This is a large part of what is happening across America, and it is appalling. Sure, you had the majority vote (albeit by a ridiculously small percentage), but our country doesn't currently operate on purely the majority vote. There are entire groups of people, an entire culture and lifestyle in the rural areas of our nation, who live and feel differently than you. They aren't apologizing, and they shouldn't have to. They did what they thought was best, just like you. You don't get to pretend that you and your peers are the only ones who understand what is happening. Half of the country asked for it.

Furthermore, if you are suddenly scared for your family and children, you need to check yourself - hard. The people who voted the way they did have always existed. The country is no more or less dangerous. Police will not stop prosecuting hate crimes or keeping the peace or allowing freedom of religion. Some things may change, but probably less than you think, and it certainly isn't enough for you to suddenly air your fears about a movement and a belief system that existed long before Donald Trump was a candidate.

Finally, stop being children. Michael Moore and other are calling for the kind of filibusters that the Republican Party has been known for in recent years. Knock it off. What's wrong with you? And, while we're at it, you don't get to be enraged at someone for making broad sweeping statements about groups of people, only to then air your grievances with the half of the country who voted for him, making broad sweeping statements. Voicing your disappointment with "racists" and "misogynists" and people who are okay with sexual assault and promoting rape culture is literally exactly as bad as what Trump said. If supporters of Trump are those things, are you then potentially criminals who would be so careless with classified emails? Double standards are for morons.

I repeat: Shut the fuck up.

But this isn't about one group of people. If you are one of the many people who helped president-elect Trump reach the White House, congratulations. You did it. Pat yourself on the back and please go quietly and happily about the rest of your next four years. I understand you too. I get that you feel your voice has been stolen from you by government. Many articles seem to sum this up well. And it makes sense. You're tired of being bullied, of being marginalized, of being humiliated by popular media. You're sick of your identity being taken and your jobs disappearing and your future looking ever more bleak. And if you aren't a voter from the rural areas, which I'm sure many of you aren't, I understand plenty of other reasons to fight against The Clinton Machine. It is probably extremely difficult to look at those who knew you could never do it, who knew you weren't worth the time and effort, who called you all sorts of names and still are, and not be resentful and furious and want to stick it to them.

Still, grow up. Do you really need to prove the slanderous comments about you correct? Is it really so important that you get the last word that even now, in your moment of glory, when you see that as a group you can come together and make the change you wanted, you have to make asses of yourself? No one cares what you think about Obama, or why you think the country is where it is today. No one cares that you scream "Can't stump the Trump." No one cares that...well, no one cares about any of it except for you. And you know this.

Actually, the truth is worse than this. People do care. They don't care what it is you have to say (not right now at least, during the bitter moments of defeat), but they are hurting, they are upset, they have lost, and no one likes to be kicked when they are down. Imagine how you felt when it was happening to you for a quite some time now. Is it really something you feel you need to do to others? Is it something necessary for your happiness to trample other people while they are most fragile? Again, don't prove everyone right. I know you aren't horrible people like the vocal left might have me believe. So do half of Americans. So does your soon to be new President of the United States. Take your victory and swallow it with some pride and dignity.

Most of all: Shut the fuck up.

This isn't a plea for everyone to come together and unite. I'm not that naive. Our country is divided as strongly as it may have ever been since the civil war. But we don't need to instigate another one. All I ask is that you treat other with decency and respect. Both sides. No matter what you've been through. No matter what they've said about you or done to you. You've both been through it. Take a hint from the Dow Jones. As trump was being elected it dropped lower than it had been during 9/11. It was tragic. It was a mess. It was a total shit show. And then the next morning it got back on it's Goddamn horse and went to work. It isn't sticking it to anyone. It isn't proving a point or apologizing or crying or irrationally afraid or threatening or gloating or whatever. It's just moving on. And in its own quiet way, it's kicking ass.

So please. Move on. And while you're at it, do so quietly.

This has been a PSA from a humble WSO writer. I hope at least someone takes heed. That being said, feel free to comment below. But I promise, if you get into political debates and start screaming the things I just begged you not to, monkey shit will be a-flying. Other than that, I welcome your honest and heartfelt thoughts, whether in agreement or disagreement.

Until next time,
This is The Uncontortionist.

Mod Note (Andy): Best of 2016, this post ranks #12 for the past year

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Nov 10, 2016

No you shut the fuck up.

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Nov 10, 2016
REFinance516:

No you shut the fuck up.

You mad bro?

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Nov 10, 2016

+1

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Nov 18, 2016
thebrofessor:

+1

Nov 10, 2016

Very nicely said, you couldn't have been more objective.

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Jan 1, 2017

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Nov 10, 2016

"Furthermore, if you are suddenly scared for your family and children, you need to check yourself - hard. The people who voted the way they did have always existed. The country is no more or less dangerous. Police will not stop prosecuting hate crimes or keeping the peace or allowing freedom of religion. Some things may change, but probably less than you think, and it certainly isn't enough for you to suddenly air your fears about a movement and a belief system that existed long before Donald Trump was a candidate."

+1

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Nov 10, 2016

I'm not a strong supporter of either side, but I think this quote kind of misses the point. People aren't suddenly afraid because they just found out that those people exist--they are afraid because now the US has a leader who supports (at least rhetorically) some of those controversial viewpoints. And people are afraid that this could lead to a more pronounced vocalization of those viewpoints (and keep in mind that they were previously in hiding because they knew that their views were controversial).

I think you are right that things probably won't change as much as people think. But frankly the main message that I am getting from the protests is that people will not roll over and allow intolerant rhetoric play any part in Trump's policymaking.

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Nov 10, 2016

I agree that people should protest any kind of intolerant policies, but common sense and our system of checks and balances prevents policies that are based in blatant racism and discrimination from getting implemented (I hope).

As for the protesters and the hidden supporters of racism, maybe this is what they needed. A lot of the "old fashioned" folks who voted Trump don't understand why people think they are racists, and they don't understand how those protesting race and discrimination can't just pull themselves up by the bootstraps. Creating a dialogue between those people who have been called racist and discriminatory and those that are feeling oppressed is the only way that any of this will be solved.

Individuals who hide behind popular opinion or political leaders and individuals who hold traditional beliefs staying silent while letting everyone else do the talking for you is what has prevented both sides from coming together and understanding one another's rationale and concerns.

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Nov 10, 2016

Common sense and our system of checks and balances led to a man who's only real policy proposals were banning all Muslims from the country and building a border wall and getting Mexico to pay for it.

And don't get me started on this bootstrap nonsense.

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Nov 13, 2016
emceedrive:

Common sense and our system of checks and balances led to a man who's only real policy proposals were banning all Muslims from the country and building a border wall and getting Mexico to pay for it.

And don't get me started on this bootstrap nonsense.

For the love of fucking God. Trump clarified--a billion times--that what he was saying was that we need to re-evaluate our immigration policies and background check policies from nations that have a recent history of terrorism problems. The media willfully ignores this the same way that the media willfully ignored Trump's dozens upon dozens of repudiations of David Duke going back to the 1990's. The media has hated Trump ever since 2010 or 2011 when he began to up his criticism of Barack Obama. The media has demonstrated--proven beyond a shadow of a doubt--how unbelievably corrupt it is with its coverage of Trump.

I, for one, as a progressive American, would welcome the media's fantasized beliefs about Trump wanting to ban Muslim immigration from the United States. After all, foreign (non-American) Islam has proven itself to be a violent, hateful, misogynist, homophobic, totalitarian political ideology. Why a fellow progressive American would want to import this demented, anti-Semitic, theocratic tyranny into the United States is truly beyond me.

Nov 14, 2016

And yet with the exception of 9/11 the attacks on American soil (Orlando, San Bernando) are overwhelming perpetrated by U.S. citizens

Nov 18, 2016
dazedmonk:

And yet with the exception of 9/11 the attacks on American soil (Orlando, San Bernando) are overwhelming perpetrated by U.S. citizens

sympathizers

Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please.

Jan 17, 2017

American citizens who were either born in, or had family from, the middle east and all of whom are Muslim.
Oh also the protests aren't the people--its community organizing in its most classical form--so yes, its purely political manipulation--since they lost they're going back to their roots basically.

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Nov 10, 2016

If by "up his criticism of Barack Obama" you mean continue to insist, despite all the evidence to the contrary, that he is some kind of Manchurian Candidate who was born in Kenya and part of a giant conspiracy to end America, then yeah, I agree.

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Nov 10, 2016

"Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on. "

So your defense of Trump amounts to saying that while he said he would ban all Muslims from the US, that he didn't actually mean it, but you wish he did.

I know, I know. Some of your best friends are Muslims.

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Nov 13, 2016
emceedrive:

"Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on. "

So your defense of Trump amounts to saying that while he said he would ban all Muslims from the US, that he didn't actually mean it, but you wish he did.

I know, I know. Some of your best friends are Muslims.

First of all, no. I abhor Islam. I would not maintain friendships with homophobes and anti-Semites. Unlike you, I'm not a rank hypocrite.

Second of all, Trump's off-the-cuff statement that you present is presented with a caveat--that it's not about banning Muslims, it's about halting Muslim immigration until we are assured that the process of background checks are sufficient. Trump went on to clarify his position time and again to let people know that he wasn't calling for a religious test for immigration. And he further clarified that higher scrutiny should be placed on nations that have a recent history of producing prodigious sums of terrorists.

Nov 10, 2016

You're right about one thing. Trump's "Off the cuff" press release that he then posted on his website is probably not about actually banning Muslims. Its a dog whistle to get bigots such as yourself to understand that he's on the same, down with the brown people team as you are.

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Nov 13, 2016
emceedrive:

You're right about one thing. Trump's "Off the cuff" press release that he then posted on his website is probably not about actually banning Muslims. Its a dog whistle to get bigots such as yourself to understand that he's on the same, down with the brown people team as you are.

Islam. Is not. A race. You fucking moron.

Nov 10, 2016

When did I say Islam was a race? I know reading comprehension isn't exactly your thing, and that ignorance is the greatest refuge of a bigot, but maybe you should check the script on your glasses bro.

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Nov 18, 2016
Virginia Tech 4ever:

emceedrive:"Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on. "So your defense of Trump amounts to saying that while he said he would ban all Muslims from the US, that he didn't actually mean it, but you wish he did.I know, I know. Some of your best friends are Muslims.

First of all, no. I abhor Islam. I would not maintain friendships with homophobes and anti-Semites. Unlike you, I'm not a rank hypocrite.

Second of all, Trump's off-the-cuff statement that you present is presented with a caveat--that it's not about banning Muslims, it's about halting Muslim immigration until we are assured that the process of background checks are sufficient. Trump went on to clarify his position time and again to let people know that he wasn't calling for a religious test for immigration. And he further clarified that higher scrutiny should be placed on nations that have a recent history of producing prodigious sums of terrorists.

Nov 18, 2016

You deplorable illiterate piece of garbage

"First of all, no. I abhor Islam. I would not maintain friendships with homophobes and anti-Semites."

You abhor Islam? You are equating Islam with homophobia and antisemitism? Those people, terrorist and otherwise, exploit Islam as a pathetic excuse for their vile actions, tarnishing its name.

My Muslim friends, orders of magnitude more educated than you, are some of the people I cherish the most. Do you even know what Islam is? Islam is one of the most accepting, kind-spirited religions there are. In the Holy Book the Quran, the Prophet said "To take the life of one innocent man is like taking the life of all mankind".

Please take your deep-rooted ignorance, religious bias and hateful remarks elsewhere, you smear the name of this entire community.

Signed by a US white catholic

PS
Trump's Muslim ban was nothing but cunningly devised hyperbolic rhetoric to get closeted nationalists like yourself all riled up while FROM THE OUTSET - there was no SUBSEQUENT qualification - he knew it was impracticable withing the political and constitutional framework of the United States. Nothing but an unsophisticated light to attract intellectually unsophisticated moths.

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Nov 13, 2016
MPM:

You deplorable illiterate piece of garbage

"First of all, no. I abhor Islam. I would not maintain friendships with homophobes and anti-Semites."

You abhor Islam? You are equating Islam with homophobia and antisemitism? Those people, terrorist and otherwise, exploit Islam as a pathetic excuse for their vile actions, tarnishing its name.

My Muslim friends, orders of magnitude more educated than you, are some of the people I cherish the most. Do you even know what Islam is? Islam is one of the most accepting, kind-spirited religions there are. In the Holy Book the Quran, the Prophet said "To take the life of one innocent man is like taking the life of all mankind".

Please take your deep-rooted ignorance, religious bias and hateful remarks elsewhere, you smear the name of this entire community.

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p>Signed by a US white catholic

"Islam is the most accepting, kind-spirited religions there are?"

Yeah...ok...that's why Muslims are at war on nearly every continent on Earth with their neighbors, from the Western European secularists to the Eastern European Orthodox Christians to the Nigerian Christians to the Hindus in India to the Communists in China. Islam is sooooo accepting, unless you convert from Islam. Islam is sooo accepting, unless you're gay or a female, or, God forbid, Jewish. You do realize that the founder of Islam is a famed warlord who launched wars and killed countless people to spread his ideology, right? Islam is barely a religion--it's much closer to a political ideology about how to run government/society. It's every bit as totalitarian as communism.

I'd like to say to you to just enjoy your delusions, but unfortunately, your ignorance of the Islamic faith is dangerous. I pray our public policy makers don't share your delusions about Islam being a "kind-spirited" religion.

Nov 18, 2016
Virginia Tech 4ever:

MPM:You deplorable illiterate piece of garbage"First of all, no. I abhor Islam. I would not maintain friendships with homophobes and anti-Semites."You abhor Islam? You are equating Islam with homophobia and antisemitism? Those people, terrorist and otherwise, exploit Islam as a pathetic excuse for their vile actions, tarnishing its name.My Muslim friends, orders of magnitude more educated than you, are some of the people I cherish the most. Do you even know what Islam is? Islam is one of the most accepting, kind-spirited religions there are. In the Holy Book the Quran, the Prophet said "To take the life of one innocent man is like taking the life of all mankind".Please take your deep-rooted ignorance, religious bias and hateful remarks elsewhere, you smear the name of this entire community.<p>Signed by a US white catholic

"Islam is the most accepting, kind-spirited religions there are?"

Yeah...ok...that's why Muslims are at war on nearly every continent on Earth with their neighbors, from the Western European secularists to the Eastern European Orthodox Christians to the Nigerian Christians to the Hindus in India to the Communists in China. Islam is sooooo accepting, unless you convert from Islam. Islam is sooo accepting, unless you're gay or a female, or, God forbid, Jewish. You do realize that the founder of Islam is a famed warlord who launched wars and killed countless people to spread his ideology, right? Islam is barely a religion--it's much closer to a political ideology about how to run government/society. It's every bit as totalitarian as communism.

I'd like to say to you to just enjoy your delusions, but unfortunately, your ignorance of the Islamic faith is dangerous. I pray our public policy makers don't share your delusions about Islam being a "kind-spirited" religion.

I am only writing this reply for the interest of those others who may read, other aims are moot.

What's dangerous is your sweeping ignorance and generalizations.

Those who persecute in the name of Islam, do not practice the teachings of Islam. At all.

Just enough negative (deplorable by today's standards of freedom and culture) things are said in the Old and New Testament about the 'abominations' of homosexuality, charging interest on loans and similar; it is up to us to interpret the scriptures within moder-day context.

Jews have been persecuted by virtually any people/religion historically, including Christians.

Someone seems to forget about the Crusades and the vile acts an bloodshed they carried for centuries, continent-wide. Secular and spiritual powers were intertwined like never in history by the Catholic Church centuries ago in Europe and countless persecutions were perpetrated, from witch hunts to violent conversion campaigns.

The theocratic Islamic regimes that today exist closely resemble the Catholic Church in the darker ages, unfortunately they haven't evolved with time. This doesn't make Islam bad just like the Popes of the past ages do not make Christianism a radical religion, rather, the individuals and leaders who abuse it to their own perceived or otherwise advantage are to blame. If a country's constitution was nowadays founded solely on the Bible just like Saudi Arabia is on the Quran, results would be analogous in terms of totalitarianism, if not worse - the past attests to this. Saudi Arabia's regime is abhorrent, and its largely literal interpretation of the Quran, not Islam itself.

The true and intrinsic teachings that make up a religion like Christianism, Islam etc. have little to do with how people have exploited them in a miriad of ways across the centuries and still today. This is not about policy makers. It is about living in world where people should be able to interact productively and peacefully irrespectively of their credo - luckily this does happen in many universities and establishments, despite the omnipresent hate that has developed - not a world where people would discriminate potential friendships on the basis of religion.

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Nov 13, 2016

You have NO idea what you're talking about. Christianity and Islam are foundationally different religions. Unlike Muhammad, Jesus didn't launch a war against "infidels." Islam's very founder was a murderer and warlord. This is the very FOUNDATION of Islam. How can one "misinterpret" the teachings of Islam as violent when its founder was a warlord? Go ahead and tell me.

As a so-called Catholic, you speak as if you have some sort of moral authority to interpret Islam. You know what? You're willfully delusional. Somehow, Islam has been "misinterpreted" by hundreds of millions of Muslims of different races, Islamic sects, and nationalities all throughout the world, in places as disparate as Pakistan and Nigeria, Serbia and Iran. The reality is, Islam is a totalitarian political belief system that outlines exactly how to order every aspect of society. And in every single place that Islam dominates today all you see is theocratic despotism and war with neighbors. Explain this to me. Explain why it is that Muslims are at war (religious wars) with everyone all over the world and why their theocracies are hotbeds for fascism. Explain this away.

Nov 18, 2016
emceedrive:

Common sense and our system of checks and balances led to a man who's only real policy proposals were banning all Muslims from the country and building a border wall and getting Mexico to pay for it.

And don't get me started on this bootstrap nonsense.

Nov 10, 2016
parctribe:

But frankly the main message that I am getting from the protests is that people will not roll over and allow intolerant rhetoric play any part in Trump's policymaking.

The main message I'm getting from the protests is that many on the left are the anti-democratic ferals we thought they were, and that the media is still as biased as ever.

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Nov 10, 2016

Protesting is now anti-democratic? I guess that whole pesky 1st amendment thing went out the window.

And yes. The shareholders of Comcast, Time Warner, and Walt Disney are in league with all the commies and are therefore pushing their news networks to be as anti-business and pro-pinko as possible.

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Nov 10, 2016
parctribe:

I think you are right that things probably won't change as much as people think. But frankly the main message that I am getting from the protests is that people will not roll over and allow intolerant rhetoric play any part in Trump's policymaking.

Exactly. I think there is a sub-group that think they can try to overturn the election (which is nonsense, dangerous, and wildly hypocritical), but for the majority it's to provide awareness of citizen sentiment and a taste of the response should he act on that rhetoric. I don't think he will either, but he did say those things and some people rightly feel worried.

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Nov 14, 2016

No one thinks they're overturning the election. People protest to draw ATTENTION to issues they feel is important (e.g. our President-elect is an all around shit head). I personally don't deal in such symoblism (i'm too lazy), but I'm glad there are people out there willing to do more than simply posting on social media

Nov 10, 2016

Exactly, the biggest protest is actually being planned the day after inauguration

Nov 11, 2016

This is exactly how populism and hatred works, Bro. The same people and procedures are in place, but it's suddenly MORE dangerous for some.
Take a note that the 3rd Reich was created by the SAME people that lived in the Weimar Republic. And then things went to shit, quickly.

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Nov 13, 2016
roosvelt1984:

This is exactly how populism and hatred works, Bro. The same people and procedures are in place, but it's suddenly MORE dangerous for some.Take a note that the 3rd Reich was created by the SAME people that lived in the Weimar Republic. And then things went to shit, quickly.

Yeah, you're right. Trump is like Hitler, who murdered 6 million Jews. No hyperbole. And there's, like, ya know, so many parallels between the United States, a 2+ centuries-old organic, wealthy, powerful, stable republic, and the Weimar Republic, a decade-old, desperately impoverished government ravaged by what had been the most destructive war in the history of man. Soooo many parallels. I'm terrified of dictatorship and genocide under Trump, the single candidate running who actually talked about possibly NOT invading other countries and making peace with Russia. Yep, Trump is like Hitler.

We call people like you pseudo-intellectuals.

Nov 10, 2016

I was gonna reply, but there are no trees left to chop down after that scorched earth campaign. +1

Nov 10, 2016

Hitler didn't start by gassing Jews.

He started by taking a dissatisfied population that was dealing with a rough economy and telling them that the problems they faced weren't there faults, rather it was because of how the government has betrayed them, and how the damn lazy Jews were a drag on the rest of the population, and mooching off of the hard work and efforts of 'Real Germans' aka pure-blood Aryans.

The parallels are astonishing.

Nov 13, 2016
emceedrive:

Hitler didn't start by gassing Jews.

He started by taking a dissatisfied population that was dealing with a rough economy and telling them that the problems they faced weren't there faults, rather it was because of how the government has betrayed them, and how the damn lazy Jews were a drag on the rest of the population, and mooching off of the hard work and efforts of 'Real Germans' aka pure-blood Aryans.

The parallels are astonishing.

The parallels only exist in your delusional view of history. The U.S. economy is mediocre today, but it's actually one of the stronger ones in the world at this point. The Weimar Republic was in complete economic collapse, it had zero history with democratic representation, and it was under siege by communist and other extremist ideologies. It was the perfect place for a dictator to rise. Your hyperbole is utterly absurd.

Nov 10, 2016

People got tired of being told who to vote for by Emma Watson and Stephen Colbert-types.

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Nov 10, 2016

check ya self before you wreck ya self

Nov 10, 2016

I'm not even American and I'm just an internet shitposter.
Mwahahahhahahah.

Also Michael Moore called that the Rust belt was going to vote Trump, so durrrrrrrrrr he seems to be more in contact with the people than pollers. And that's embarassing.

Nov 10, 2016

this is hardly a neutral source but thought it was a good point by Moore

http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/11/michael-moore-mi...

Nov 10, 2016

He's right though.

The real problem is that those among democrats like him that have a fucking clue of what happened are fringe.

The mainstream, just like the leadership are all blinded by identity politics, so all they can spout is ''hurr durr racist and sexist where is my safe space''.

What's even more concerning is that those are widespread beliefs among college students who are active in politics on the Dem side, meaning the future leadership. They are going to do a massive damage if ever elected. Look up at the ''scientific'' research they do in social science departments; they have subverted their scientific method: first they choose the conclusion that suits their ideological belief, then they look for evidence and discard evidence of the contrary.
Not even Soviet education was this bad.

Nov 13, 2016

To this point, I was reading a mathematician's detailed pre-election analysis of the election probability and he said Clinton had something like a 92% chance of victory, but that he would bump that higher than 92% because "confederate flag wavers" are usually "louder" about their opinions than women and minorities so you probably would see polling error favor Trump. I was like, "is this guy serious?" I don't care if you're the smartest person in the room, you are still prone to biasing your "science" with your own personal opinions.

Nov 10, 2016

Leads me back to my choice not to pursue further university education. I started an Msc in economics and politics full of hopes to learn more. After the first year, there was an idea buzzing in my head that all those models were made of irrealistic hypothesis, hence worthless when applied to reality; the ideological bias was evident and as I said in my previous post, it seemed that the conclusions were already decided before the research, which was merely just there to provide supporting evidence, while indeed ignoring the rest.

I went to the UK for the second year, in a top 5 university. I expected better, I found a significantly worse environment, there was no discussion, just ideological brainwashing. Finished the Msc, I was fed up with the academic world and saw no reason to pursue a Phd. Economics in particular was a gigantic disappointment. Employers in particular think that all that use and abuse of mathematics and statistics means economics can now be considered close to natural sciences. It's not. It's still a social science and one of the worst in terms of intellectual integrity.
I recall finding 2 versions of the first paper, published within 8 months from each other. The first one had findings politically inconventient for the current establishment (it was immigration related durrrrrr), the second ones tweaked the results my merging variables into one, so that the polically incorrect outcome could be buried. What do you think must have happened during those 8 months?

Statistics and maths are great, but not immune from political bias. Most authors today horrendously fail at that last part.

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Nov 10, 2016

anyone else catch the clowns in NYC and chi-city protesting?

On CNN, there was a 1-2 minute shot with a white guy with yellow hair, jumping around in the background and holding a sign with a picture of trump and the word "racist" while the entire crowd was chanting black lives matter.

A few things confused me:
1. This was a crowd, at least in the shot, consisting solely of white people (the irony was to good not to mention)
2. What is the significance of Trump and the BLM movement? Did these peeps just run out of things to chant?
3. What exactly were they protesting? the electoral college?
4. What was/is the goal of organizing?

if any of you monkeys were present for the festivities (highly doubt it), wth is going on?

Nov 11, 2016

Annoying, unemployed hipsters are going on.

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Nov 10, 2016

"Brosef Stalin17"

"brosephstalin"

and then there were two

Nov 14, 2016

2,3) The United States just elected a man whose campaign lead (now "head of strategy") is a well-known white supremacist. He has a history of old-school-racism (the 'I don't want to see black ppl around' and 'you people can't rent my apartments' type) and openly associates with white supremacists and anti-Semites on twitter. He has stated his intent to violate the constitutional rights of minority groups (e.g. mass surveillance of Muslim communities).

2,4) Over the prior year our over-militarized police forces have repeatedly been caught violating their own codes of conduct and brutalizing American Citizens, particularly black men. This president will appoint Attorney General that monitors this force and sets the tone for what is and isn't permissible

4) Protesters are drawing attention to these facts, as they well should. Keeping these facts front/ center makes it (at least a little) harder for the future President to do things that are blatantly harmful to minority communities. In fact, Trump addressed the protests on his recent 60 minutes appearance and implicitly walked back some of the blatantly racist asshattery that characterized his campaign - THIS IS A (SMALL) POSITIVE OUTCOME OF THE PROTESTS SO FAR.

Some of you WSO clowns need to get over your Gordon Gecko bullshit and think critically about the world around you occasionally.

Nov 10, 2016

"Some of you WSO clowns need to get over your Gordon Gecko bullshit and think critically about the world around you occasionally."

not sure what this means, but you sound triggered.. I have said this a few times on WSO, in general anyone worth a shit does not care about someone's shade. It's more of a question of are you good for me, or bad for me?

Consider me a skeptic, but I don't think you build a luxury brand and real estate empire by marginalizing certain shades. If something doesn't sound quite right, it probably isn't.

Nov 10, 2016

It's a good thing that Trump inherited his empire then....

Nov 10, 2016

oh stahhhp, not that I wouldn't appreciate his inheritance, but based on Forbes $3.7 billion indication of Trump's net worth and WAPO indicating his inheritance was substantially less than $200 million, that's one hell of a return, no matter how much you despise the guy...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/w...

Nov 14, 2016

"not sure what this means, but you sound triggered.. I have said this a few times on WSO, in general anyone worth a shit does not care about someone's shade. It's more of a question of are you good for me, or bad for me?

Consider me a skeptic, but I don't think you build a luxury brand and real estate empire by marginalizing certain shades. If something doesn't sound quite right, it probably isn't."

Wasn't triggered before but your misuse of economics has triggered me now. I've heard people make this claim before that a successful businessman couldn't be/ have been racist because that would be illogical/ bad for business. It's as if you forgot 2/3rds of American history, where the vast majority of people and enterprises were racist, and a lot of pretty awesome s*** got built nonetheless.

Keep in mind that Donald is 80 years old, so he grew up in a largely racist society. His Dad, by all appearances, was an old school racist. He grew up in wealthy NYC business circles, which at that time were essentially (and are still largely) white, building luxury rentals. Being racist against black ppl wouldn't have been much of an impediment to success. Seriously, cab drivers in major cities discriminate against black people that want to pay them for a ride and you think Donald Trump wouldn't discriminate because of the business logic of luxury rentals?

Be glad you're someone that has the luxury of not having to deal with this kind of s*** I have friends that are way better educated and more successful than most people on here and still have to deal with being treated like crap on a routine basis in NEW YORK, which is probably about as liberal and tolerant as it gets in the U.S. To them, questions like this aren't academic.

I'd be disturbed if there weren't people out there protesting the fact that we just elected the kind of 80 y/o shithead that mocks disabled people on national television.

Nov 10, 2016

[America had slaves so Donald is racist
Donald is 80 and old people are racist
cab drivers don't like black people so Donald doesn't like black people]

my point is people have bigger things to worry about outside of someone's skin color (other than cab drivers, I guess)

But to level with you, if you frequently witness people marginalized based on skin color, that sucks. I am probably from one of the **least ** liberal places, and I only see that stuff from a few dumb rednecks who may or may not knock boots with their sisters. As such, it has formed my opinion that the only people who act like that do not matter, and hopefully this is more often than not the case.

Nov 10, 2016

Good write up, one criticism though. Telling Trump supporters to not gloat is a bad idea, these people have been mercilessly bullied and talked down to for years be it from the media, social figures, or economic realities. They deserve some room to be excited and brag a bit.

Follow the shit your fellow monkeys say @shitWSOsays

Life is hard, it's even harder when you're stupid - John Wayne

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Nov 10, 2016

That's fine, and I agree they should celebrate. But the bullying and the condescension aren't going to stop because their guy won. Ultimately this is a marketplace of ideas, and when your ideas are idiotic they're going to be met with ridicule.

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Nov 10, 2016

I agree, I'm not saying they should hold this view for 4 years. But they should be allowed some time to celebrate. As for a marketplace of ideas, I'm not so sure that actually exists anymore. People are so insulated in their own echo chambers. Why do you think the shock was so great for the all in Hillary people, they never even listened to anything anyone else said other than taking in the talking points of hes a racists, sexists etc.

Follow the shit your fellow monkeys say @shitWSOsays

Life is hard, it's even harder when you're stupid - John Wayne

Nov 10, 2016

What? Thats nonsensical. People are surprised because the polls were off, in some cases average polls missed by 5+ points, which isn't something that you see very often. Being surprised has nothing to do with echo chambers.

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Nov 10, 2016

Polls being off are tied to the same reason.

Follow the shit your fellow monkeys say @shitWSOsays

Life is hard, it's even harder when you're stupid - John Wayne

Nov 10, 2016

"Our political system isn't fun anymore."
-Richard Sherman

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Nov 10, 2016

100% agree. I'm too busy to get bogged down in this shit.

Nov 13, 2016

Honestly? I saw much, much more "endzone ball spiking" in 2008 and 2012 among the Obama victors than I have this time around (I'll never forget this 2008 Facebook comment from one of my friends--"Finally, good has triumphed over evil." Remember, "evil" was embodied by...John McCain, a political moderate and war hero).

What I'm seeing is a complete and total meltdown by Clinton supporters. I mean, mass protests and riots? This is ridiculous.

Nov 10, 2016

I agree with you on this. I'm just glad the tuition I pay is able to give students therapists and safe zones following the election. I know that they would have offered these services had Clinton won...

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Nov 10, 2016

People protesting the results of the election. Really? Life goes on as usual. Let's move on.

Like you, I'm sick of hearing about the election.

Nov 10, 2016

are you really shocked? Given how divisive the entire campaign had been there were going to be protests no matter who won.

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Nov 10, 2016

I seriously doubt there would have been any protest that was covered nationally if Hillary won. Maybe a few little protests covered by local news stations peppered throughout the country. However, that would be nothing like this ridiculous narrative that is trying to be started about how these protests actually mean anything.

Follow the shit your fellow monkeys say @shitWSOsays

Life is hard, it's even harder when you're stupid - John Wayne

Nov 10, 2016

Notice how I didn't refer to media coverage yet you somehow shoe-horned that in. My point was protests were inevitable regardless of who won.

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Nov 10, 2016

I brought that in because protests happen every time. The difference is that no one usually cares about the protests because there isn't a narrative to try to construct from it.

Follow the shit your fellow monkeys say @shitWSOsays

Life is hard, it's even harder when you're stupid - John Wayne

Nov 10, 2016
BobTheBaker:

are you really shocked? Given how divisive the entire campaign had been there were going to be protests no matter who won.

Violent protests are exclusively a habit of the left.

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Nov 10, 2016

people make comments like this and wonder why we are so divided, smh. Keep on keepin' on bro.

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Nov 10, 2016

God you are so salty that Hillary lost. Her whole campaign was "Trump is a racist! He's a bigot! He hates women!" and made it "cool" to hate trump voters. Hence why we're seeing protests, rallies, and even assaults on trump voters.

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Nov 10, 2016

yes, because Trump referring to HRC as a criminal and encouraging chants of "lock her up" was really unifying the people... my thoughts on Trump's victory are outlined on the election results thread. Both candidates ran dirty campaigns and we are in an electorate that is more divided than ever, there would've been protests either way. What, about this assessment, makes me "salty"?

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Nov 10, 2016

Obama was even more liberal than Clinton and came in before the country was so "divided". You make it sound like we live in the 50s in Alabama.

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I am extremely confused by what you just posted (I think it's because it is nonsensical and in no way a response to what I posted but I may be mistaken).

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Nov 10, 2016

Good post... My Facebook feed is ripe with extremes on both sides. I don't see why it's so hard to empathize with others and understand why they voted the way they did. I understand why people voted Hillary. I understand why people voted Trump. I understand why people voted Johnson/Stein/Whoever. I went to lunch with some work friends, and all 3 of us voted differently but managed to have a civil discussion about how people need to shut the hell up.

Posting on Facebook that you're afraid to go outside now because "everyone thinks rape and racism is ok" is absolutely mad. Posting on Facebook that Trump is the second coming of Jesus makes you look like a tool. Some people are having total meltdowns as if life as we know it is ending/beginning.

Move on and get real

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Nov 10, 2016

Gotta love the liberals who want the electoral college removed. The reason for the electoral college was to stop populism.

Trump supporters don't need to gloat. Time to fix this country and enforce the laws already on the books. Let the children and SJWs cry about their feelings and safe spaces while the adults pay taxes and try and do something constructive.

MAGA

Nov 13, 2016

Plus, let's be honest--the popular vote statistic is kind of meaningless. If we had a system of nationwide popular vote then the candidates' and parties' electoral strategies would have been massively different (and perhaps Clinton would have won by a landslide, who knows?). But because we all know the system going in, the electoral strategies are aimed at building the coalitions required to win in the electoral college system.

Nov 10, 2016

I don't disagree, and I know the electoral college isn't going anywhere, but it seriously chaps my ass that people who live in backwater wastelands have a disproportionate influence on the direction of the entire country. Makes me jealous of the countries with 6-week election cycles, campaign spending limits, and all voting done on the same day (be it primary voting or otherwise).

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Nov 10, 2016

Last time I checked Koch Bros, soros, jayZ and all those other idiots are the ones with the disproportionate influence.

Nov 10, 2016

Before this election, I would have agreed with you. No one was more against Citizens United and more in favor of getting money out of politics than I was. But Trump proved you don't need money. He paid $5 a vote. Five bucks. What did Clinton and all her super PACs spend to lose this thing? $800 a vote? More?

I'm not sure money has the same level of influence we credit to it.

EDIT: I was actually curious enough to go look it up. Trump spent $4.57 a vote and Clinton spent $8.80. However, that does not include PAC spending, which was enormous on her side and pretty negligible on his. So $800 a vote was hyperbole, but $20 a vote is probably within the realm of possibility.

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Nov 10, 2016

And that's a bad thing? Hillary didn't connect with people. She's a bad candidate. She would have won had she acted like a typical Democrat and courted the union and blue collar vote.

Instead, she kissed up to the SJWs and called every trump supporter a racist and deplorable. Smart move.

Nov 10, 2016

On the contrary, my hat's off to him for the efficient allocation of resources. My point was that he proved you can't buy an election. Or at the very least that more money doesn't make success a foregone conclusion.

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Nov 12, 2016

Money doesn't buy elections. It buys access after the election. That's where the problem is.

Who do you think is getting a half hour meeting with a congressman? Some guy who lives in his district but didn't contribute any money to his campaign? Or a lobbyist who gave the max $5,000 and then a few thousand more to his PAC?

Nov 10, 2016

Money needs to get out of politics. Neither side will address that.

Nov 10, 2016
Eddie Braverman:

people who live in backwater wastelands have a disproportionate influence on the direction of the entire country.

Keep referring to them as backwater wastelands please. I want 8 years of MAGA.

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They're not? Would you live in Iowa?

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Eddie Braverman:

They're not? Would you live in Iowa?

I do live in Iowa. I grew up here. Fuck you.

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Nov 10, 2016

LMAO. I'll shut up now.

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Nov 10, 2016
LongandShortofit:

I do live in Iowa. I grew up here. Fuck you.

hilarious

Nov 10, 2016

But I am the bigot.

Nov 10, 2016

Fucking lol

Nov 10, 2016
Eddie Braverman:

Would you live in Iowa?

Even worse, can you imagine living in Louisiana? A special wall is now likely to be built around it to keep people from getting out.

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Nov 10, 2016

I don't live in Louisiana. I live in New Orleans. There is a difference.

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Nov 24, 2016

You live in NO? I'm here in New Orleans now visiting.

I work in shitty shitty shitty Baton Rouge, can't wait to get the hell out of there in 2 years. Was hugely surprised by how nice and big New Orleans is.

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Eddie Braverman:

I don't disagree, and I know the electoral college isn't going anywhere, but it seriously chaps my ass that people who live in backwater wastelands have a disproportionate influence on the direction of the entire country. Makes me jealous of the countries with 6-week election cycles, campaign spending limits, and all voting done on the same day (be it primary voting or otherwise).

Agreed, I long for that day in the US...

I think if we threw in a vote of no confidence option that, if it breaches a certain threshold, all parties would have to submit a new champion to represent their affiliated party. That could be an effective way of draining some of the campaign $ without touching the voter/individual rights' issues.

Nov 10, 2016

I don't dislike the idea of the electoral college, but I think it should be based on proportional representation. The fact that every state gets at least three votes because they all have two senators is ridiculous.

Nov 10, 2016

Umm, it is based on proportional representation. That's why California and NY have a lot of electoral votes and the Dakaotas have none.

Plain fact is Trump won by energizing his base and getting a lot of blue collar dems to vote for him. The left moved left and the right moved center.

Nov 10, 2016

Not entirely. As I said above, it's based on the number of representatives and senators each state has. Each state has the same number of senators, making the electoral college not 100% proportional. Case in point: Wyoming has 1 electoral vote for every 190k citizens, while California has 1 for every 700k.

I agree with your second point though.

Nov 10, 2016

Honestly, I disagree on the gloating part. The media and Clinton campaign made it cool to hate on trump voters as racists who didn't want transgender bathrooms in fucking target! The silent majority was ever so strong. The reporters were left speechless on Tuesday night. I think any rational person should be tired of hearing the BLM, bathrooms, "champion for women's rights", etc. bullshit constantly spewed by tv stations. Time to get to the real issues: debt, job market, national security, etc.

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Nov 10, 2016

Agree with 100% of what you said.

Only thing I'll add is this - if you're part of the super majority that was dissatisfied with either the outcome or with BOTH candidates, please for the love of silver bananas, think about 1) how we got here and 2) what we need to do differently next time.

I'll even give you a helpful hint / starting point ---> name calling & hyper-partisan, inflammatory commentary (especially vis-a-vis FB) falls in category 1, not category 2.

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Nov 10, 2016

After the loss I have heard some HRC supporters saying that general election should have superdelegates too.

Nov 10, 2016

Lets not forget the fact that Harambe was the real MVP of this election..

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Nov 9, 2018

Least funny thing I ever read

Nov 10, 2016

Great post. People need to calm their tits and move on. We have to know that the majority of the shit he said that he's going to do is not going to happen. When's the last time a president did exactly what he promised to do in his campaign during his time in the office?

Nov 10, 2016

When was the last time a President had both the House and the Senate? We're pretty much relying on Trump's human decency for the next two years at least.

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Nov 13, 2016

But in fairness, "Trump Republicanism" is fundamentally different than "Ryan/McConnell Republicanism." In a way it's like 3 parties and 2 parties are in a coalition government.

Nov 10, 2016

Any imagined division in the party is gone now, along with any principled stands against Trump's buffoonery. Those asshats in Congress probably knocked each other over trying to be the first to kiss the ring.

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Nov 10, 2016
Eddie Braverman:

Those asshats in Congress probably knocked each other over trying to be the first to kiss the ring.

I would have said the first to cradle his balls during fellatio, but I say potato and you say po-tah-toh.

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Nov 10, 2016

Not sure if trolling, but Obama had it for his first two years, with larger majorities. I believe the ACA and stimulus package were the only major pieces of legislation pushed through but could be wrong.

Nov 10, 2016

I disagree. Don't shut the up. Fight for what you believe in. Just don't rub it in if you win and don't blame people for voting for someone other than your chosen candidate if you lost. Don't blame the people who voted for Trump because he offered them a vision of a better tomorrow that they liked. Don't blame the people who voted Johnson/Stein/Deez because they didn't like anyone else on the ballot (note: this excludes sexism. If you didn't vote for Clinton just because she's a woman, you're an asshole). I'm a Clinton supporter, and all the posts I see saying "fuck third party voters" piss me off to no end. Those people all voted for their favorite candidate just like you. Blame the campaigns and parties that couldn't appeal to them in the end and the system that makes the popular vote irrelevant, then work to change those things.

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Nov 10, 2016

All day long today I'm hearing from the cooler heads on the left how relieved they are to finally be rid of the odious Clinton family and all the shitty baggage they brought with them, and how energized they are for the future. I happen to think that's the exact right response. Larry Lessig summed it up well here:

Democrats: Free At Last

And the dude who does Secular Talk had some great ideas about moving forward from here:

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Nov 10, 2016

Bernie and Warren may not have the social shortcomings of Trump, but I don't want to be a socialist state, they are economically incompetent and have no business running the country (though I fear it will be a Warren/Stein/Sanders primary in 2020).

I just hope the Reps don't fuck up in congress too bad to allow socialists a clean sweep.

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Nov 13, 2016

This is a great point. The Democrats have a very thin bench and could be looking to Warren or Sanders for 2020. If Trump/the GOP f*ck up too badly the Trump victory could prove to be the beginning of the end for the conservative cause by swinging the nation far to the left.

Nov 10, 2016

I refuse to believe that we're daft enough as a nation to elect a 78-year old regardless of ideology.

Nov 13, 2016

That's true. So I was just looking up the 2020 Dem potentials, and a lot of very liberal names come up, such as Sherrod Brown and Julian Castro. So there are definitely some hard-left people who could potentially win with a bad Trump showing.

Nov 10, 2016

Radical pendulum swings might be the new normal. I really do try to be hopeful though (as hopeful as a pessimist can be, that is) because I think there are a lot of really great people on both sides who just want to make things better for the greatest number of people.

Our problem since roughly 1980 is that policy has been focused on pandering to corporations and the wealthy. While I'm not naive enough to think the rich won't benefit more than the poor in every possible scenario, I think it's going to be a lot less obvious going forward, even if it's just out of survival instinct. I'm also encouraged that a lot of the ridiculousness of the white patriarchy is being defeated (War on Drugs, for example).

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Nov 10, 2016

My guess is booker/warren/kaine, but we have a few years before we get to kick and scream about that one

Nov 10, 2016
MiserlyGrandpa:

My guess is booker/warren/kaine, but we have a few years before we get to kick and scream about that one

Booker is a VERY strong guess.

The two public figures I am 100% confident would be worse than Trump are Warren and Sanders. Truly frightening hippies.

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Nov 10, 2016

Scrolling through my Facebook feed yesterday gave me autism

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Nov 10, 2016

is this where I keep talking about how Crooked Hillary has Parkinson's?

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Nov 10, 2016
The Uncontortionist:

All I ask is that you treat other with decency and respect.

Why? Respect needs to be earned, I don't just give it out freely for no reason

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Nov 10, 2016

Most liberals wouldn't survive without the type of people rallying behind trump. Ever seen a liberal energy worker? Ever seen a liberal farmer? How about our servicemen/servicewomen?

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Nov 10, 2016

DISCLAIMER: I am a Trump supporter.

This election was crazy since not only no one expected Trump to win, but also no one expected GOP to keep Senate and House. I didn't expect it. I thought it would be Hillary, but GOP keeps the Senate and House.

Funny thing is many GOP folks said "not my president" when Obama got elected. And of course, democrats called them racists and made fun of them. Ironically, the protesters are saying the same thing, "not my president" - yet they expect to be treated with respect since.....?? We will never have 100% support for one candidate over another. Thus, when results hit the screen, people should respect it. That's the rule of the game. You can't ask another to follow the rule when it fits only you.

I heard that some colleges like Columbia and NYU cancelled classes yesterday because students' feeling are hurt. Seriously? So WTF are you going to do when your boss yells at you? Are you going to take a day off writing "hurt feeling" as a reason? I didn't see this before Obama-era. During the last eight years, I couldn't say anything (even though myself is technically a minority) without risking to be labeled as either racial, misogynistic, homophobic, [fill in the blank]. People are fed up with this PC culture that is endeared by Hillary/Obama/Warren. You know why Trumpt got elected? This is one of the reasons.

You can't ask someone to invest in your deal when you got no skin in the game. Democrats cannot ask Americans to accept more Syrian refugees unless themselves are willing to house the refugees in their homes or live near them. I will get behind that idea when Hillary put some Syrian refugees in her BIG house. I will get behind gun control when Hillary and Obama send their secret service / bodyguards home and walk around Compton by themselves. This hypocrisy is another reason that Trump got elected.

Hillary can't say that she would take care of Main Street when her son-in-law works in HF, and she gets tons of money from Wall Street. She can't say she would like to be the champion of women when she obliterated victims who accused Bill of sexual assaults.

Stop saying that America is the "land of immigrants", and we shouldn't deport illegal immigrants. Then why the fuck are people lining up, hiring immigration lawyers for $5K (just to fill out the forms right) and wait years and years for green card and citizenship, without getting any government benefits that illegals get? Fucking those who follow the law over law breaker cannot be justified, ever.

I can go on and on, man. But I won't. As I always say to my democrat friends, if they take out "holier-than-thou" and emotional elements in their logic and reasoning, they got nothing. And bitching and complaining about result is definitely not logical.

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Nov 10, 2016

You just pretty much parroted bullshit then passed it off as fact. WTF does secret service detail have to do with wanting to reduce overall gun violence in this country? There is solid, empirical, evidence that America's obsession with guns has led to increased violence in this country. There is solid, empirical, evidence that if we reduce the guns in circulation, and make it more difficult for people to purchase guns, then we'll get fewer cases of mass violence. This isn't about ideologies, this is the reality, the longer we fail to accept it the more situations like Sandy Hook will occur. Do you have evidence that she "obliterated victims" or are you just pulling that out of your ass (aka parroting a talking point)? If you do, link it. Why the hell can't HRC take care main street with a son working for a HF? I mean those of us here in finance can't also be concerned w/ the average man? That makes no sense. My mom is a teacher, I didn't stop caring about her issues b/c I work for a BB. This is the "land of immigrants", period. I don't mind immigration reform as long as it includes amnesty for working illegals that have been here for a certain amount of time, they've contributed to this country and some of them have children that were born here. I also think a lot of the consternation is the WAY trump talks about immigration, painting these people as "rapists and criminals" when all evidence suggests they are LESS likely to commit crimes than the avg citizen. Ironic that you speak on "logic and reasoning" but your entire rant is full of red herrings (her son works at a HF! but the secret service has guns!). Ridiculous.

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Nov 10, 2016

I welcome the monkey shit btw. Not a single response to my post because there is none. You lemmings can upvote that illogical bullshit he posted all you want but that won't make it reasonable or true.

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Nov 10, 2016

I honestly just skimmed and read the 3 "shut the fuck ups" and couldn't agree more.

Nov 11, 2016

Burning the American flag on American soil as a protest !!! I have no words to describe those anti-Trump and pro-Hillary protestors . People gave their lives to honor that flag . This is alone is a striking evidence that we are dealing with a group of anti American savages with no loyality to American soil who should be kicked out of the country as soon as possible .

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"A modest man, with much to be modest about"

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