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by ibdizzle User's RSS Feed (Monkey, 58 Banana Points Points) on 4/29/08 at 10:59pm

I keep reading that SA's will mainly be "spreading comps"...probably a naive question but I was wondering what this entails...thanks!

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Ah, one of my favorite tasks

by dosk17 User's RSS Feed Certified User (Senior Gorilla, 851 Banana Points Points) on 4/29/08 at 11:46pm

(just kidding)

Spreading comps in 6 easy steps:

1) Look up the company's filings (10-K and 10-Q) on Capital IQ.

2) Pull equity research on the company from whatever sources you use.

3) Enter the company's cash, debt, share count (and options table if you want to be precise to get the diluted count) from the latest filing.

4) Enter the company's trailing-twelve-months revenue and EBITDA (and probably more metrics depending on industry but let's just keep this general for now) by:

a) Entering revenue from latest 10-Q and 10-K and then subtracting revenue from 10-Q a year ago.

b) Entering EBITDA from latest 10-Q and 10-K and then subtracting EBITDA from 10-Q a year ago. To find EBITDA, start with Operating Income and add back the Depreciation & Amortization on the cash flow statement as well as any one-time charges... comb the footnotes of the filing for one-time and unusual charges like lawsuits, settlements, etc. and add them back. This is the fun part of the process.

5) Enter projections from equity research analyst... usually two years forward (so 2008 and 2009). Look up the revenue and EBITDA from report and enter them.

6) Make sure everything ties out and get your multiples... in this case, TEV/R and TEV/EBITDA.

Repeat the above for each company in the comp set... usually 5-10, but can be more depending on how sadistic the senior bankers are.

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AltESV's picture

A little unclear from Dosk's

by AltESV User's RSS Feed (Senior Orangutan, 386 Banana Points Points) on 4/30/08 at 12:22am

A little unclear from Dosk's post, but in case you aren't aware: "comps" are comparable companies. When you are trying to value a company, one way to do it is to look at comparable companies and assess how they are valued.

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johnnyblue's picture

How fast

by johnnyblue User's RSS Feed (Monkey, 56 Banana Points Points) on 4/30/08 at 2:19am

Dosk, how quickly should a SA be able to complete the aforementioned for say 10 companies?

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ermen's picture

.

by ermen User's RSS Feed Certified User (Senior Baboon, 219 Banana Points Points) on 4/30/08 at 2:52am

with a lot of pain... screaming and crying...

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dosk, why do you have to go

by numi User's RSS Feed Certified User (Gorilla, 540 Banana Points Points) on 4/30/08 at 3:12am

dosk, why do you have to go through all of those steps? all the historical data you mentioned should already be in capital IQ and all you need to do is run a company screen. why do you need to manually enter that data?

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dosk17's picture

Yeah sorry if that was unclear, wrote it quickly

by dosk17 User's RSS Feed Certified User (Senior Gorilla, 851 Banana Points Points) on 4/30/08 at 5:23am

Also guys I should note: you may not have to actually do all of the above. It depends on what you're doing it for - sometimes CapIQ is acceptable, as numi says.

Keyser: As far as speed, if you do it that way it will take hours for 10 companies. Focus on accuracy first, then worry about speed.

numi: For Fairness Opinions for example, you can't just rely on CapIQ because everything needs to be 100% precise. And if you have an anal Associate/VP on a normal project the same applies.

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anyone have any tips for SAs

by waltersobchek User's RSS Feed (Gorilla, 580 Banana Points Points) on 6/8/08 at 9:07pm

anyone have any tips for SAs when it comes to spreading comps? things to reduce errors, aside from the obvious attention to detail, and also finding those non-recurring charges?

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onickjo's picture

so data entry? sounds like

by onickjo User's RSS Feed (Baboon, 122 Banana Points Points) on 6/8/08 at 11:28pm

so data entry? sounds like a pretty intellectually challenging job.

it involves accounting, but sounds like absolutely no need for actual accounting knowledge is necessary

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by giocatoredoro User's RSS Feed (Baboon, 171 Banana Points Points) on 6/8/08 at 11:42pm

Our comps come just from the 10-k and 10-q, rarely do we look to thomson or capiq for comps. We 'personalize' the comps and make necessary "value-adding" by ajusting some numbers. Comps do take a while though. I agree with dosk, ACCURANCY FIRST.

It definetly helps to have accounting knowledge. But data-entry skills are probably more important (gasp)

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Blade1988's picture

Why is it called "spreading"

by Blade1988 User's RSS Feed (Baboon, 111 Banana Points Points) on 6/9/08 at 9:39am

Why is it called "spreading" comps, though? I don't see what you are spreading when you gather information and input it into Excel.

Also this might be a little off-topic, but what's the difference between interest and amortization in EBITDA? Aren't they both debts you pay off at certain rates over a period of time?

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amortization is much like

by nystateofmind User's RSS Feed Certified User (Senior Gorilla, 886 Banana Points Points) on 6/9/08 at 11:52am

amortization is much like depreciation, only for intangible assets

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asd

by pacmandefense User's RSS Feed (Senior Monkey, 88 Banana Points Points) on 6/9/08 at 12:27pm

do SAs source deals?

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highly unlikely

by joefish User's RSS Feed (Gorilla, 575 Banana Points Points) on 6/9/08 at 12:30pm
pacmandefense wrote:

do SAs source deals?

SAs source coffee and if you're lucky, bagels

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