Should I renege MBB to go back to SWE?
Last summer I interned at a fast growing late-stage startup but turned down a SWE return offer to go to MBB consulting. I graduated this year, and I start MBB consulting very soon but I'm having second thoughts. I never worked in consulting or finance or anything corporate (all my internships were in SWE at cushy places), have literally never worked more than 30 hours a week in my internships, and took a massive paycut.
How much more work is there actually in consulting? I saw that it's 60+ hours a week but I have no idea what that will actually be like. I pursued MBB in large part due to PE exit opps but seeing the posts in the PE subforum about how "no one has made money in this industry" and carry only materializing by age 40 is turning me off. On the other hand, tons of friends classmates, even those who graduated just 1 year ago, are already making 400-500k in SWE just from stock appreciation, and I wonder if I'm making a mistake giving up my engineering skills to do consulting. Sure, stock growth won't last forever but it seems like the tech industry is only starting to tap into AI, while PE seems more competitive than ever.
The most interest part is, I spoke recently with people from my internship and they basically implied I have a standing offer to return if I ever changed my mind in the coming months. I'm strongly considering just reneging MBB and going back to SWE. I get 35-40 hours a week, I get to be in the future of AI, life is super chill at the company and everyone is nice (that's the other thing: I genuinely have no idea what consulting culture will be like) and I'm making like 2x the MBB pay if you count the paper money.
I don't know if I'm making a mistake and over-reacting, but I've been thinking about this for a week now. Would appreciate any thoughts on whether I should stick it out, or just go with my gut before it's too late to back out when I actually start my MBB job. Thanks.
in very similar boat. the frame i'm looking at it is: where do I think i will grow the most? MBB definitely seems more out of my comfortable zone so perhaps it might be worth
Tbh I think the main reason you would go to MBB is because it's less risky.
I was in the same boat (did all my college internships in tech but at MBB right now) and here are my two cents:
Overall, the responses on this thread will obviously be consulting-biased, but I'd give serious thought to this decision. You can go MBB to Big Tech (maybe not SWE), but the other way around is extremely rare unless you get an MBA. There is a reason that is the case.
I would argue that career earnings and overall hours will be significantly better in SWE than if you go down the MBB route. This is all assuming that you are a good SWE and will not be replaced by AI.
Take this as someone coming from 2+2 and who made $400k+ as a MFPE associate. I had to grind terrible hours to make that much and I see friends at tech companies with wayyy better lifestyle making just as much, and due to stock will make more than me unless I continue down the partner path and am willing to try to grind for the next 20 years for some carry in a fund that might end up being worth very little (I think this should be another consideration that the risk-adjusted comp trajectory in PE has worsened significantly).
Not to mention that the comp in MBB is lower than IB and it’s generally harder to break into the top PE programs where you’d get paid the most anyways. Also OP doesn’t sound like they want to be a grinder which is what it takes to get that comp upside in PE.
Anecdotally I wish I had gone the SWE path and been able to capitalize on the AI boom. I have a few friends in SWE who are mid-20s with multi million $ comp packages and really good lifestyles.
You could just as easily wish to be a world-class poker player when Texas hold’em became trendy, or a running back when that position dominated the game. A running back today who’s just as good as Emmett Smith was in his prime will make far less. The market has changed. Luck will always beat out any preparation or skillset.
I did a PhD in neural networks and machine learning before it was cool, and am now too old to go do the AI research thing — as are my friends who stayed in the field. You really have to have been one of the best in the field, and have left at the right time (which was before the boom was obvious), and be the right age.
I would go do SWE if you’re really good at it. If you can get in now and develop skills that can’t be replaced by AI, you can potentially make a shit ton of money over the next few years if you land at the right startup. Like I know 25 year olds that have multi million $ pay packages. If you’re not good at SWE though then you might be part of the group that gets screwed by AI and then have trouble finding a job down the line (but it’s a huge benefit that you already have something lined up, as the most difficult part of the SWE career I’ve seen for friends recently is landing a job out of college given the elimination of a lot of these entry level positions).
Also if your main concern in WLB and hours, MBB, while better than IB, it’s definitely still grindy. As another poster mentioned, you will consistently be working 9am-9pm+. Culture might be better than banking but those are long hours if you’re not used to it and want to be doing other things with your free time. And if you could be working 35-40 hours and making more money lol.
PM me, in a similar boat (CS major starting MBB soon)
Lord I thought he was returning to Sweden. You learn something new every day.
The thread is full of horrible takes. MBB is going nowhere, a lot of firing in recent years. Unless you are top-5% in sales and can rise to partner fast and enjoy it - don't bother. Don't forget constant travel in 80% of cases. PE is also overcrowded and tough to exit from consulting.
If you are confident in your SWE skills you can get to 1m$ a year in 7-8 years in companies like OpenAi
Fair to disagree with above comments but quite literally everything you said was not true.
"Bro just join OpenAI and make 1m in 8 years"
They quite literally only take 50 interns who are all cream of the crop. It's not like FAANG which takes thousands upon thousands of just above average candidates. You're saying "unless you're top 5% in MBB," but that's considerably better odds than being the top 0.1% out of the CS cohorts of only top schools. I'm not even trying to go into consulting, but it always irks me when people act like extremely coveted SWE roles are some panacea that are as accessible as MBB/BB/EB.
At OpenAI, for the most part, you need to have more than just generic SWE skills -- you need AI skills (and probably the more niche genAI training or infrastructure skillset). Most SWE'S don't have this, which is why they and the other big AI heavy hitters are paying $1 million TC to the small subset who do.
MBB consultant, 60+ hour weeks are no joke. It's not just a job choice it's a lifestyle. You don't have time for hobbies or meeting friends during the week (exercise only comes with accepting ~6 hours of sleep). Outside looking in, it seems great to make more money and work less as an SWE. That being said, I'm early career and can't speak to exits.
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