Worst (struggling) Credit Funds?
Any struggling credit funds come to mind? Curious on what the market is like and if more debt to equity takeovers are occurring?
Any struggling credit funds come to mind? Curious on what the market is like and if more debt to equity takeovers are occurring?
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Based on previous WSO threads, here are some insights into the challenges faced by credit funds:
Feast or Famine Nature of Credit:
Investment in Poor Quality Companies:
Crowded Distressed Market:
Challenges in Fundraising:
Risk Premiums and Higher Rate Environments:
These points highlight the inherent challenges and risks credit funds face, especially in volatile market conditions.
Sources: Credit - Pod Shop/MM vs. Distressed/Special Sits HF, Troubled fundraising processes, Q&A: CB -> CIB -> Distressed, Q&A: BB LevFin - Mezzanine - Opportunistic PE, What do you love/hate/regret about public credit/HY/Distressed?
KKR has a pretty questionable book. Wouldn’t say anyone is really struggling coming to mind even with some bad deals out there. Some secular places like Victory Park which blew up but nothing mainstream I would say has been that bad
What happened with Victory Park? Are you referring to some of their soured e-commerce investments or something different?
Generally in a private credit book you need to have a super diversified portfolio and you can’t take large losses. Victory Park basically invested a significant portion of their book into Amazon aggregators and has done both - they will be one of the few private credit funds to have materially negative returns in this vintage, and if I’m an LP, that is unacceptable to borderline negligent
Could you elaborate on kkr's book?
Can't wait until PC is forced to start marking credits to 0 when they file BK. PC is lying to you (and so is PE)
Could you elaborate on that more lol?
Bloomberg did a good piece on this - the same piece of private credit debt is being marked anywhere from 70 to par at different shops.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-02-28/how-private-credit-m…
Thank you for sharing this. If both PE/PC are lying, what the hell should I try to apply to after banking?
Banks don’t lie?
Pretty dumb take - if a company files and the lenders take it over - it’s not a zero, and often times, the TEV less friction costs is greater than the par value of the debt. How do you work in DCM and not understand basic principles of attachment levels and capital structure
You can tell you're new to the game... EV is a joke for most of these companies, especially the sub $50MM EBITDA names where there's likely going to be the most issues due to typically more risk with smaller companies. There's going to be a lot of very low recoveries - maybe not zero, but sub 20 cents on the dollar? Absolutely... which is more or less a zero when as the debt generally has no upside - they just want to get paid back.
Just remember, to tank a PC fund, it doesn't take much more than a handful of credits to take substantial write-offs to tank returns.
Why would you be forced to mark a credit to 0 when it files BK lol. That's not how it works.
In Canada: penfund, third eye capital, nine point, RIA
Does Sagard count lol.
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Is their public or private credit side struggling? Any details?
Pretty sure this is a joke
Prospect?
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2024-08-06/why-prospect-capital…
Wonder if I should start buying put contracts on publically traded BDC's...a crisis of confidence will eventually arise from this PC bubble.
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