Hey Millennials, why do you hate suits?
Saw a post on here about suits the other day. It got me thinking. And millennials- I have a gripe with you.
It is not because your generational culture is founded in Virtue Signaling.
Not because you are the champions of cancel culture.
It’s not because of your disregard for suits thinking that it is more stylish to dress down and wear athleisure- as if you’re sticking it to the man. Or as if you wish you were some nerd that’s never slayed cooch writing c++ from a bean bag chair in NoCal drinking a goat milk cortado.
It’s not because when you dropped blockbuster in favor for Netflix.
or that you actually enjoyed the movie Avatar.
it’s because you’re all yellow bellies.
hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create millennials who create bad times.
where a suit you slobs
You’re an idiot
I apologize if I offended you, I mean that my friend.
millennials r pussies but wtf does that have to do with suits lol.
ur just exposing yourself to be another boomer thats bitter ur not cool anymore.
Also, “hypergamy,” “yellow belly,” and “virtue signaling?” The amount of words on this thread that i had to google is concerning
I agree, I actually like the more professional and reserved culture of high finance as opposed to the new-age tech culture
It’s part of the allure.
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Can we agree no ties?
I do appreciate a tie, but it sucks wearing one while you work. Also girls think sans tie is sexy.
A lot of tie hate can be fixed with a properly fitted shirt size, but it’s still not the most comfortable.
Ties restrict blood flow to brain by 7.5%
The culture nowadays just sucks balls. Guys look and dress like shit, widespread blatant hypergamy (not that I have anything against this, I'm part of the problem, a pussy you don't fuck today is a pussy you might not fuck tomorrow, but its different for dudes), people bitch and whine about trivial shit, every dumbass is virtual signalling, cancel culture, twitter, etc etc and don't get me started with the liberal socialist retards that run most of the western world. In fact, fuck democracy, there, I said it. Go read some Plato. And also this:
It’s funny how some people have this monkey shit. Those dudes probably suck so bad.
It's because in some oligarchy, you people always believe you'll be in the ruling class, when you most likely won't.
Uberbased.
I love modern culture tbh. Old people gotta get with the times because your opinions don’t really matter
When you say that "you like modern culture tbh" what exactly are you reffering to within the context of this post?
Shut up boomer
Dress cooler.
Meaning what exactly
I'm a millenial and I like suits, I wear them for every client meeting, I'm definitely not a fan of normalizing sweatpants as going out on the town attire
out of curiosity, what generation are you?
Cusp of gen z and millennial
Love suits. I love anything sartorial actually and that can extend beyond just the suit.
Its an art
It is indeed and much more than that. Have you listened to the Joe Rogan podcast with Guy Ritchie? The first 20 minutes of that podcast are gold.
It likely stems from childhood. Pops would get home and more often than not the first thing to happen is the tie comes off with a great sigh of relief. Subconsciously this instills a belief in the child that dressing up is associated with unpleasant work. Which leads to where we're at now, a disdain for the tie, and ever more so, the suit. I'm similar age to yourself OP, I think suiting up is important when meeting with clients for the first time or for other important occasions and whatnot. Apart from that though, I don't think there is any benefit to dressing up in more restrictive and expensive clothing only for it to deteriorate and depreciate as time passes and styles change.
This actually is some woke reasoning
So one's approach to suits depends because of his parent? Then your case subconciouslly instils a belief that his father is a looser because is obliged to do something which he does not enjoy. In my case, I could wear a suit 24/7 because the people whom I saw with suits were role models for me.
Times change, i generally agree.
But you’re buying the wrong suits and ties if they go out of style. And if they stop fitting then stop eating like shit and have enough self respect to maintain your health and aesthetics.
The workplace has got significantly more lax in terms of dress code over the past 5-10 years, this is irrefutable. Just look at silicon valley casual, jeans, t shirt and sneakers.
I love suits. They look great. However, wearing them for 14 hours in a cube, when you have nothing external scheduled, is silly. Button down / golf shirt with chinos is ideal — you’re dressed up enough to get you into a workplace mindset, but the clothes aren’t physically restrictive or uncomfortable in any way.
" you were some nerd that's never slayed cooch writing c++ from a bean bag chair in NoCal drinking a goat milk cortado"
I'm in this picture and I don't like it
“Where a suit you slobs”
Plz check spelling and grammar before submitting.
If you need to WEAR a suit to feel important then go for it. I don’t need one to produce good work and stroke my ego on the subway.
Thx,
Millennial who despises suits
What do you normally wear to work? Do you also work in IBD - genuinely curious
Business casual - lululemon or similar pants, if I’m sitting at a desk for 14+ hours a day there’s no need to not be comfortable.
Without disclosing too much I’m in one of those groups that’s in IB at some banks and CB in others.
I have a jacket at the office I put on for last minute client meetings, but honesty people don’t care anymore about what you wear. If they are going to do business with you they want to like you as a person/group/bank and know that you can get something across the finish line for them.
Suit
Millennials are literally 30-40 years old...
I love wearing suits - but the problem is that if you want to maximize comfort, you'll either start veering outside conservative dress-code (no problem these days) as far as cut and fabric goes, for example a completely natural / unstructured suit with light summer fabric, which basically feels like wearing a PJ...but alas, looks too soft, like you're about to take a stroll in Monaco.
Or you need to get a properly tailored suit, with decent fabric - which could get pretty expensive in the long run.
I think most people that hate wearing suits, have probably been traumatized from shitty fabrics, poor patterns, shirts that don't breathe, too snug collars, etc.
And they require more care and maintenance than your chinos and fleece vest combo.
I like suits, I can just do without ties lol
1) they're expensive.
2) they hide your body. if you're a fatty, then suits will help you hide it. but if you are muscular, nobody will see it under a suit. athletic hoodie or tight t-shirt will look much better if you're muscular.
3) they look like shit. if you're muscular, the suit will always layer around your armpits when you raise your hands of try to reach something or try to gesticulate, because suits are not stretchy. if you want to avoid it, you'll have to buy a big suit which will look like a piano cover. also, the shirt always layers on top of your pants when you raise hands / try to reach something / gesticulate.
4) they feel like shit. if you're muscular, every time your try to reach something or raise your hand, the suit will bump into your armpits and make you feel uncomfortable.
5) difficult to wash. I can throw a hoodie into a washer. with suits I have to take them to the dry cleaners and pay about the same as the cost of a new hoodie for each cleaning.
why do you like them?
ever heard of tailoring? probably not judging by your post lmao
I constantly am either bulking or cutting. My body changes every couple of months. Tailoring makes no sense in that case.
Suits are really for people who don't work out.
Also tailoring can only do so much. Look at the Jay Cutler pics below. His suit is clearly tailored but it still just hides all his gains. He could be fat under the suit, and it would look about the same. However, look at him in a t-shirt - doesn't it look much better?
Facts. old ppl really think just throwing a suit on makes you look good b/c ppl told them so. Anyone with a brain can see some nice athletic wear or literally anything else can look better than a suit.
Man, the cringe reeks hard here. All your reasons just surround your musculature, which may also take up your brain resources
Been wearing suits most of my career.
Just had a nightmare the other day where colleagues and I were to go to a meeting. 5 minutes before the meeting, I was waiting for my team in the lobby. Guys show up last minute with the books so I tell them to let’s go let’s go. Pumped for this. Get into the elevator, saw in the reflection that I was unshaved, messy hair, in a T shirt, and for some bizzare reason holding my suits/gear in a suit cover. 30 seconds until door opens. Adrenalin rushes, blood pressure up, buttoning shirts and getting help zipping up suit pants, door about to open…
Then fucking wake up in cold sweat only to realize I’ve been holding a massive tank of piss. Crisis averted. No bladder explosion today.
That was nerve wrecking. Subconsciously the suit is just part of my identity. Call it pathetic, judge me if you will, I don’t care. Being prepared gives me the sanity to do my job. That fire drill nightmare was not good for my heart.
Obviously I don’t wish this upon others. Just wanted to share another take on this topic. If you’re used to a system and all of a sudden change from it (from suiting up everyday to WFH/post pandemic attire, whatever it means), it could add mental toll. At the very least it adds a layer of a decision to make vs. just showing up with the same attire everyday. Some welcomed the change to a dress code closer to their normal wear (perhaps younger generations), others didn’t like the change to their ritualistic habit (say guys with some vintage). I think what we need is to realize we all come with differing perspective on this and to the extent you get any directions from your firm, it simplifies your decisions. My personal preference is always to suit up just to err on the side of caution.
that's how suits look on athletic body
lol at thinking the average banker is like one of those guys...
definitely not average banker. average bankers can wear suits to hide their bellies and lack of muscle. but for muscular guys, like myself, suits do disservice.
Not really 'athletic body'
what is it if not athletic haha? that's as athletic as humanly possible.
Tailor or custom. Yikes
these guys gain and lose 100lb every year. they'll need to tailor every week lol.
Larry Wheels has a video on tailored suit which was funny and interesting
same people wearing athletic clothes
nice one
so what looks better? suits or t-shirts?
however if you're fat, suit will hide it. so I understand that you might like suits if you're fat or skinny. suits also look good on skinny people. but if you're muscular, suits just hide the results of your hard work and make you look not much better than a fatty in the next cubicle.
classic associate/vp potato
I found this thread just now and this shit is hilarious
I hate suits. Short shorts to show off the legs and fit athletic t-shirt to show off the gains is my go to outfit, makes me feel the most confident
**wear suits. Not “where suits”.
Wear suits you so you don't repugnate people with sweaty underarms.
Wear*
I created cancel culture and virtue signaling while jerking off to Avatar and rubbing my yellow belly
I like to wear a suit... it's the boomers in my groups who told me to stop wearing them...
i like the convenience of not doing dry cleaning and easier to go to the gym after / before work if your not in a suit
These responses are actually hilarious. Mind blowing that you would prefer wearing stiff button ups vs. clothes that actually feel comfortable to wear while sitting for 8+ hours grinding a deck.
News flash, wearing a suit doesn't make you look like James Bond - 9 times out of 10 you just look like a dork. The true reason why suits are so popular is because it's a one-size-fits-all way of being "fashionable", that is, being able to wear essentially a uniform to look put together.
Tech CEOs, entrepreneurs, etc. have moved on from using suits as the low hanging fruit to show professionalism and have either 1) exercised visual expression with unique clothing or 2) don't give a shit because wearing suits as a form of self validation is quite candidly, a boomer mentality anchored in the boring rigidness of working in IB/PE for 20 years 80 hours of week.
To be honest, I only really dislike ties. May be an odd opinion but a suit without a tie looks way better.
My gripe with ties isn’t how they look, it’s that I hate feeling choked
Guy in suit with ten other in hoodies. Guy in suit is the boss
Guy in hoodie and ten other in suits. Guy in hoodie is the boss.
Hey, wear want you want to wear. Of course, there are rules (if your career requires an uniform, protective gear, etc.) and perception (already mentioned at nauseam above); so you are better advised to be mindful of them.
In my view, A well tailored suit is always a classic to look sharp. However, to work from home, no client contact, etc. a chinos+shirt combo work perfect. Accordingly choice of shoes completes the outfit.
Good personal hygiene, grooming, right and decent accessories give the last polishing.
...and that's only the outer layer. An intelligent, well articulated, well mannered, principled and ethical professional; and we are starting to talk.
work from home, no client contact, etc. => sweatpants with a hole in them to tickle balls easier + hoodie with a mustard stain, not fucking chinos+shirt while at home and nobody sees you lol.
Yeah, agree with your choice of outfit if nobody sees you. Unfortunately, not my case, even during wfh
I wear a dress shirt and chinos when WFH and have a pretied tie nearby (but not wearing) if necessary. Have had several instances where I have to get on a call last second so I just slap the tie on in like 10 seconds and am ready to go.
I love suits, just hate ties.
"Where a suit."
Few clean ups on this post, thx.
Pls fix and send a revised draft before posting again.
I think that appearing down to earth is something important to millennials, and the suit doesn't portray that very well.
Trading the suit for the vest, finance culture thought they bypassed the stereotype the finance suit brought. And maybe it worked for a minute.
However, it's purely an appearance, and the actual reality is all the same
Men don’t look as hot in work suits as they do in athleisure. I guess old dudes like it because it hides their beer belly better than a tighter shirt. Wearing suits is also one of those status things people hide behind to pretend like they are more useful to the company than they actually are. Millenials like to be measured on real value add and being pretentious (like wearing suits to work) is just cheugy these days. But old people will always complain as they are left behind
Athleisure doesn't look professional enough... its way too casual and looks like you're going to the gym and then partying afterwards.
Suits last longer if you don't wear them as much
Ditto shoes
There is no need to suit up for a day of sitting behind a screen or for your commute, it's that simple. Anyone who feels the need has to be massively insecure.
Hi everyone as a young person in the realm of high finance I would like to give perspective.
1) I love wearing suits and still do on zoom calls
2) I believe like what the older generation really hates. Is the lack of ability to communicate and discuss ideas without feeling like they will be penalized (or cancelled) which I believe is an issue. An idea floating in our generation is that a lot of issues in society are caused by race. Imo it’s actually caused by money, but if a lot of young people in a society believe it’s caused by race and when older people don’t, this disagreement is where all the name calling will begins(boomer, librard etc)
3) young people(millennials)also bring up some real issues. IF America is supposed to be the best country why did it take 40+ years for the government to raise wages to 15. IF America is supposed to be the best country why do we rank behind the developed nations in healthcare and education etc. IF America is supposed to be the best country why do less developed countries like uae have 4 day work weeks ? IF America is supposed to be the best country Why isn’t the government allowed to negotiate with healthcare to negotiate lower prices? IF America is supposed to be the best country Why is college so expensive when less developed countries have free student tuition? IF America is supposed to be the best country Why did we spend over 2 trillion on Afghan war but for some reason can’t fix social security ?
Young people want to strive and work to make America a better country like I’m sure all of you do.
LETS DISCUSS ??!
Probably applies to 2nd half of millennials and Gen Z better. Either way, I like seeing Gen X and Boomers whine about it as if these aren’t the monsters they created.
I completely understand why people wouldn't want to wear a suit, but personally I feel to some extent it deteriorates the "meaning" of a suit if not every colleague wears one.
Regardless, I don't know how to convey this without sounding like I have a false sense of importance or that I'm overcompensating, but wearing a suit makes me feel better; it boosts my confidence. Anything that does that is a no-brainer for me, even if it means being just a bit more uncomfortable.
Sir, this is Miami
I can understand the suits aspect. Personally, I’m good with my slacks, nice button up shirt, dress shoes and matching belt, and toss in an overcoat or vest in the colder days. I’m just not a fan of having to wear suits everyday. I’ll wear them for pitches or dinners or big parties or formal events, but that’s about it.
I think the day of the suit as everyday attire are extinct. That being said, if you do dress up in a suit daily you’ll standout in a good way and I absolutely respect that
I intentionally do not wear a suit because I am good at what I do. I do not need a suit to be good at what I do. I leave that to those who are less confident in their skills.
I love suits but I believe in dressing for the occasion. If you're just working in the office with no outside-facing meetings planned, then there isn't any real need to wear a suit. Obviously dress appropriately with pants and a shirt when you're in, but yeah if you're just cranking then there's no need to wear a suit at all times.
Boomers used to lynch people for being gay,black or whatever yet we've got the cancel culture. Same boomer generation that outlawed drugs like weed, which has been found to help seizure and cancer patients, because they thought it made the crazy kids not want to go die in 'nam. Same boomers that literally had the FBI/CIA stalk regular citizens if they didn't like their opinion. Shutup boomer doomer.
Pretty good baitposting, look at that engagement. I applaud it. Spelling error at the end is such a nice touch. Masterpiece.
What is it with you boomers and spelling errors
I’m a millennial and I love wearing a suit. Makes you feel good
It’s a miracle you were able to type that on a computer as it is. Take your low productivity and water cooler chat to the retirement home.
Ok boomer
Wear*
Wearing a suit with clients is never a bad choice but I struggle to see how a suit and tie is necessary when on the desk.
You’re mistaking Gen z with millennials there buddy. I own a suit. My friends own suits. And we aren’t even the ones pushing for cancel culture. It’s Gen z . Lol. Millennials are as old as 40 now. What planet are you living on? Maybe take your angry boomer BS elsewhere because this is a stupid topic.
TL;DR “I need to blame my inability to get laid on the woke left and an easily scapegoated generation.”
*wear a suit
Your thought would have been more forceful had you not made a grammar error in your concluding sentence.
Suits are the ultimate virtue and status-signaling. I say this as a senior professional, but technically a "geriatric" millennial. Finance's achilles heel in talent acquisition are outdated quality life stands like dress codes, which have no impact on productivity and the ability to make money.
I’m a millennial and love suits. A good suit is an equalizer if you know what I mean. A great fitting suit will feel comfortable even after 8 hours of work.
As you can probably imagine, I had a response to this question (much of which is reproduced below), but it got me thinking about our current sartorial climate and two prevalent demographics: baby-boomers and millennials.
Baby-boomers lived during the introduction of "Casual Friday" while millennials have watched as tech leaders have donned hoodies and T-shirts in lieu of traditional formal attire. With these two generations dominate in today's workforce, it should come as no surprise that the suit isn't as popular as it once was.
In the mid-century, a man was almost always dressed in a suit or at least a sportcoat and tie when he left the house. Today, the pendulum has swung so far in the opposite direction that may seem to be a bit overly dressed.
27 year olds and down are Gen-Z; I think that's the largest pool of people today who push against wearing suits. Probably because the suit wearing "norm" is just an arbitrary traditional social requirement. Today, people still just haze others for not adhering to it in traditional professional fields. Gen-Zs just live in an Era of surplus where they have the privilege of options and the ability to question senseless dispositions rooted in prejudice. I still prefer to dress up because I know people still have a strong hollow bias. At the end of the day, I'll change how I look if it means I can make better impressions on senior bankers and clients. I also look damn good in a suit. Nonetheless, the desire to wear (sometimes) cheaper, more comfortable, simpler, or perhaps unique clothing makes a lot of sense to me, even if it's not a desire I have. Particularly if you're a sweaty individual – full suits aren't the most "airy" and that's probably what would draws some of my interest to the trend.
The fuck does that mean? Sounds like straight out of a pre-requisite colonial history class.
I’m 17 but actually haven’t come across much of this. I go to school in the UK and pretty much everyone is fine with wearing suits. There are a few people who wear sweaters and some girls who wear colours that aren’t grey/navy/black but I actually feel like most people are quite happy to wear suits and obviously it’s exciting transitioning from regular uniform. Also pretty much all the guys I see around Canary Wharf/Mayfair are all suited up and I’m guessing nowadays they could probably get away with not wearing suits? Guess it might be more of an American thing or maybe I just don’t know shit
So we all now have to have matching Patagucci vests instead? How is this better?
Wear** a suit you slob
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