Not Investment Banking Looking Enough? WTH

I had an IBD analyst interview with a local boutique investment bank a couple days ago and got rejected.

I asked the interviewer out to have a coffee meeting and asked him why I didn't get the job. He said because of my first impression. Here is what he said:

1: Your hair is too stylish and too long to be a IBanker.

2: Don't use Gucci or any designer bag because they are too fashion, not business enough.

3: Don't wear expensive watch to an interview.

4: Always wear white shirt, not other colors. White makes you look humble.

I didn't argue with him, but here is my justification.

1: My hair isn't that long, only slightly longer than the dude in the pic. Is that the case that only crew-cut or combover dudes get hired? If that's true, then screw you. You just feel that my look hurt your ego. My great hair cut reminds you that there is not much hair left on your head.

2: Gucci bag? What's wrong with that? It ain't that expensive, anyone can get one for a couple hundred bucks. Who the hell said only black briefcase is the symbol of businessman? Or if you think I'm too showing off? What the hell are you talking about? Investment banker is the most showing off breed in the world( maybe one of). Luxurious cars, expensive watches, hot blond chicks, Armani suits, Italian leather shoes, aren't these your favorites? Now you are rejecting me because I might be the same kind of person you are? I totally get lost.

3: My watch ain't expensive either. Tissot is not expensive. You call a $1000 dollar watch too expensive? Hey buddy, your Rolex diamond watch looks humble and low-key, I think I'm gonna get one too so that people won't notice my Tissot is expensive. Or maybe I can just buy a 20 bucks digital watch from the local flea market so that when we are going to meet the CEOs, they can see we are not making a lot of money on their deals.

4: Oh come on, white shirts only? Can't it be dark? Do you have any sense of fashion or style? You want me to wear the same color everyday? I saw those hedge fund managers,Equity Research Analysts going on News talking about their investment strategy and they don't wear white shirts. Let me tell you some cons about white shirt. You can't spill coffee on it without people noticing. You need to be really careful when you eat cuz you don't want drop your ketchup on it. You also need to be careful with your pen cuz you don't want leave ink stain on it. I'm not saying I hate white shirts. I'm just saying that we should have right to choose what color to wear as long as it's business formal and it doesn't have a naked Carey Mulligan on it ( which would be hot, lol)

Guys, tell me what you think.

 

If this is serious: It is about fitting a mold. Same with any job. You don't show up to interview at Google in a suit. Your interviewer has ~30 minutes to evaluate you. You are being judged every second.

  1. Get a haircut. This was standard practice at my college. During interview season, every guy with "lacrosse hair" got a crew cut. You can grow it back after getting hired. A lot of interviewers won't ding you for semi-long hair...but why not give yourself every edge?

  2. It is the impression and the cost. If it were a comparable LL Bean bag, for instance, you would have been in the clear. But investment banking is fundamentally conservative. Gucci is a "designer". Also, you are asking for a job, so they assume you need money.

  3. Tissot is acceptable, but if it is some chronograph model, it is over the top. Again, you want to project that you need the job. Feel free to strap on a 5 lb chronograph with 20 dials on it once you are hired. Nobody cares then. Same with #2.

  4. The guys you see on TV are wearing flashy shirts because they are on TV. The contrasting collar / bold stripes / cuff-linked shirt is the domain of the senior banker. It is about looking humble...but again, once you are hired, you can change it up. VERY light blue is acceptable as well.

Really, once you have a job, just make sure you look presentable and professional. But when interviewing, don't handicap yourself. Just think of it as a uniform. Suck it up and deck yourself out in Brooks Brothers or something of a similar make.

As somebody concerned with style, I am sure you also realize: get your stuff tailored. Brooks Brothers doesn't fit anybody smaller than Raj Rajaratnam off the rack. Go for a classic cut though; don't be the dude in the skinny suit.

 

Thanks a lot for all the tips. I really appreciate it. I will keep that in mind when I go to an interview next time.

West Coast rainmaker:
If this is serious: It is about fitting a mold. Same with any job. You don't show up to interview at Google in a suit. Your interviewer has ~30 minutes to evaluate you. You are being judged every second.
  1. Get a haircut. This was standard practice at my college. During interview season, every guy with "lacrosse hair" got a crew cut. You can grow it back after getting hired. A lot of interviewers won't ding you for semi-long hair...but why not give yourself every edge?

  2. It is the impression and the cost. If it were a comparable LL Bean bag, for instance, you would have been in the clear. But investment banking is fundamentally conservative. Gucci is a "designer". Also, you are asking for a job, so they assume you need money.

  3. Tissot is acceptable, but if it is some chronograph model, it is over the top. Again, you want to project that you need the job. Feel free to strap on a 5 lb chronograph with 20 dials on it once you are hired. Nobody cares then. Same with #2.

  4. The guys you see on TV are wearing flashy shirts because they are on TV. The contrasting collar / bold stripes / cuff-linked shirt is the domain of the senior banker. It is about looking humble...but again, once you are hired, you can change it up. VERY light blue is acceptable as well.

Really, once you have a job, just make sure you look presentable and professional. But when interviewing, don't handicap yourself. Just think of it as a uniform. Suck it up and deck yourself out in Brooks Brothers or something of a similar make.

As somebody concerned with style, I am sure you also realize: get your stuff tailored. Brooks Brothers doesn't fit anybody smaller than Raj Rajaratnam off the rack. Go for a classic cut though; don't be the dude in the skinny suit.

 

Ok, watch your month buddy. My family runs successful business in west coast. I was already managing a subsidiary of the business when I was junior in college, generating millions revenue for the company. To me, that is normal, I earn every piece of that. I applied IB not because I need money. I left the family business because I have my own goal to chase.

You think I am the shit but to me you ain't any different. Bullying your junior employees and interviewees while kissing your clients' asses. Being a dick to your analyst while being humble to those who have the cash.

BTW, I drove a porsche to the interview( which I bought using my own money), which you could only dream of until you become combover.

jack_donaghy:
You're not a banker and you're already wearing designer stuff like it's normal. This tells me that you think you are the shit. That's not what we want, at least on our team. If I'm going to see your face 6 days a week, then you can't be a douche bag.
 
David Beckbacon:
BTW, I drove a porsche to the interview( which I bought using my own money), which you could only dream of until you become combover.

This is where you start looking like a douche to me

If your dreams don't scare you, then they are not big enough. "There are two types of people in this world: People who say they pee in the shower, and dirty fucking liars."-Louis C.K.
 
David Beckbacon:
Ok, watch your month buddy. My family runs successful business in west coast. I was already managing a subsidiary of the business when I was junior in college, generating millions revenue for the company. To me, that is normal, I earn every piece of that. I applied IB not because I need money. I left the family business because I have my own goal to chase.

You think I am the shit but to me you ain't any different. Bullying your junior employees and interviewees while kissing your clients' asses. Being a dick to your analyst while being humble to those who have the cash.

BTW, I drove a porsche to the interview( which I bought using my own money), which you could only dream of until you become combover.

jack_donaghy:
You're not a banker and you're already wearing designer stuff like it's normal. This tells me that you think you are the shit. That's not what we want, at least on our team. If I'm going to see your face 6 days a week, then you can't be a douche bag.

This is exactly my point. It had nothing to do with your clothes, it has everything to do with your attitude. You are reinforcing alot of judgements right now. They looked at you and said conceited douchebag. Looks like they were right.

 
David Beckbacon:
Ok, watch your month buddy. My family runs successful business in west coast. I was already managing a subsidiary of the business when I was junior in college, generating millions revenue for the company. To me, that is normal, I earn every piece of that. I applied IB not because I need money. I left the family business because I have my own goal to chase.

You think I am the shit but to me you ain't any different. Bullying your junior employees and interviewees while kissing your clients' asses. Being a dick to your analyst while being humble to those who have the cash.

BTW, I drove a porsche to the interview( which I bought using my own money), which you could only dream of until you become combover.

jack_donaghy:
You're not a banker and you're already wearing designer stuff like it's normal. This tells me that you think you are the shit. That's not what we want, at least on our team. If I'm going to see your face 6 days a week, then you can't be a douche bag.

AJ from models and bottles, is that you?

Pretty women make us BUY beer. Ugly women make us DRINK beer.
 
David Beckbacon:
You think I am the shit but to me you ain't any different. Bullying your junior employees and interviewees while kissing your clients' asses. Being a dick to your analyst while being humble to those who have the cash.

BTW, I drove a porsche to the interview( which I bought using my own money), which you could only dream of until you become combover.

hot1590:
I'll be concise. Shut up and move on. And stop bragging.
The 'look' comment may just have been a diplomatic way of saying they didn't like your attitude.

Or maybe the dude was trying to get his buddy from college into the spot you were interviewing for, and there's NOTHING you could have done to win him over. Just keep moving, you'll find something.

Get busy living
 

Sounds like some shitty boutique where they focus more on dress than closing deals.

I work at a BB and none of these apply, we have a dude with a pony tail, a guy who brings a louis V bag to work everyday, a first year who rocks a Patek and an analyst who wears the most absurd colored shirts everyday.

 

Exactly. That's why most BB and MM eat bread and most boutique banks only get crumb. They don't focus on analysts' abilities, but whether they are obedient. They can accept any junior level employee to be better than them.

Have you guys experienced that every time you submit a draft to your supervisor or associate, they always try to change something, a word, a comma, etc. just to show that they are smarter than you. Most of the time it doesn't make any difference at all.

newfirstyear:
Sounds like some shitty boutique where they focus more on dress than closing deals.

I work at a BB and none of these apply, we have a dude with a pony tail, a guy who brings a louis V bag to work everyday, a first year who rocks a Patek and an analyst who wears the most absurd colored shirts everyday.

 

LOL, some years ago, I had a boss change 1 color on the spreadsheet just to put their "touch" on it and bless it.

David Beckbacon:
Have you guys experienced that every time you submit a draft to your supervisor or associate, they always try to change something, a word, a comma, etc. just to show that they are smarter than you. Most of the time it doesn't make any difference at all.

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newfirstyear:
Sounds like some shitty boutique where they focus more on dress than closing deals.

I work at a BB and none of these apply, we have a dude with a pony tail, a guy who brings a louis V bag to work everyday, a first year who rocks a Patek and an analyst who wears the most absurd colored shirts everyday.

I'm guessing they don't get face time w/ the clients unlike at a boutique? Most clients I've dealt with tend to not like seeing a 'pony tail' or 'psychedelic shirt' guy work on their deals...of course, NYC may be different.

If the glove don't fit, you must acquit!
 

Well I guess having thick hair that looks like shit long, not being able to afford Gucci bags and expensive watches, and only being able to afford a couple (white) shirts will actually help me out when it comes interview time haha.

What DO you wear to an interview for google anyways?

If your dreams don't scare you, then they are not big enough. "There are two types of people in this world: People who say they pee in the shower, and dirty fucking liars."-Louis C.K.
 

That hair is too long for a business setting imo.

You need to be humble as an analyst because you now represent the brand. You want to be known for the quality of your work and not as the ridiculous shit you wear. As analysts, we don't know shit about the business, and we don't have any track record to be judged upon. So the only things we can be judged on are things like fashion, personality, etc which are highly subjective as you learned this week. So just blend in. When you churn out great work, give em a bit of your personality then. But as a blank sheet of paper, best to be conservative.

Leave the fancy shit for the MDs to wear. So no contrast collars, crazy cuff links, suspenders, wtv.

 

if i were you... take his advice for everything during the interview process, EXCEPT keep the hair. while a combination of those 4 things may be too much to handle for a stiff MD, just one will not be a deal breaker.

you can always change your clothes, but you have to live with your haircut. change the other 3 things for work purposes and keep your haircut to minimize intrusion into your personal life.

Money Never Sleeps? More like Money Never SUCKS amirite?!?!?!?
 
zeropower:
Fuck your Porsche and your gay hair.

What is wrong with his hair, I think it is good. You know, some people just don't look good in short hair with jell. The only problem with long hair is you have to realize that if you don't take a shower every morning it will be greasy. I also suggest using conditioner with the shampooing as it controllers dandrifies.

Come at me brah..

 

Never stick out. It's better to be told to start expressing yourself more than to be told to tone it down. Wall st is CONSERVATIVE.

Translation = you're dealing with people who typically don't have much imagination.

For what it's worth, you probably wouldn't have been happy there.

Get busy living
 

OK why are feathered bangs bad? Lets all post a picture of are hair cuts and see whos is better go!

that is mine, blondish bc of the sun but less thick and not as blond and black more blond and brown with blond being in the front.....I don't think you should ding some one on there hair UNLESS it is some fag color like the rainbow