Gotham City Short Report on Carvana
Any thoughts on Gotham City short report? Would love to gauge some insights into this as the stock price reacted drastically.
Any thoughts on Gotham City short report? Would love to gauge some insights into this as the stock price reacted drastically.
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quickly did some research during class:
This is just the surface, but one of the worst companies to hold in my opinion.
It's largely a regurgitation of past short reports, but they were able to get access to DriveTime financials and make a few more specific critiques. It's all overstated, and Gotham misunderstands and/or intentionally misconstrues the size and nature of the relationship between CVNA and DT.
The stock will rally and reach new highs, as it has after every other short report.
how big is your cvna position
well it's been a 10 bagger over the last two years, so it got fairly big even with responsible profit taking.
morons love to short this because they think they understand it.
Edit: Shockingly the CVNA thread is controversial. Too bad the bulls have had careers made and the shorts have gotten liquidated.
I shorted it in 2022 and did well out of it. I am thinking about shorting it again despite, to be frank, I don't understand the company in depth. And I know that I don't understand it, so I have to be careful.
What I do know however is #1 financing businesses are highly vulnerable when the music stops, so be careful the multiple you pay for them #2 investors are a little nervous about financing markets, look at APO and ARE stock prices #3 Carvana is a used car dealer/financier. Investors will defend high quality franchises going through tough times; they will not defend this one. They will flee like rats off a sinking ship just like they did last time #4 The type of investor who owns Carvana tends to own a fair bit of trash that will also hit the wall so you get negative rebalancing, outflows, forced selling etc. #5 Look at the 13f filing, many of the top "owners" are the market makers' call & put position. It's a speculative stock. I don't like owning stocks where that is the case.
If we hit a credit cycle it will sell off. Concerns about it last year caused it to do so. But they don’t have balance sheet exposure and typically the better underwriters take share during those periods (can debate that but their securitizations outperform KMX and the overall industry).
The rest of your points all are about the holder base which I think you’re misconstruing. There’s one large banks amongst the top holders (could also be swaps). The rest are long-term holders and longer duration hedge funds (mostly tiger cubs). I certainly didn’t associate Lone Pine with holding junk. If your point is it’s a high beta stock then sure.
Fair enough. That's what makes a market. Good luck with your long but be careful.
Are we talking about the same Lone Pine that had a ~50% drawdown in 2021-2022 precisely because their book was long junky, unprofitable tech that naturally sold off dramatically when rates rose? Funny...
I don't think their report is super defensible. The key to their "earnings overstated by $1B+” claim is they treat DriveTime’s negative operating cash flow as a “subsidy” to Carvana. But for a lender, negative CFO can reflect expanding a loan book, not “subsidizing” someone else.
Yeah the report makes no sense in that respect. They got the DT financials and knew they could create a headline around them that hit the stock. I’m sure they’ve covered by now.
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