Rates FT @ Top BB vs Intern @ Macro Fund
Have a full time offer in NY in rates trading at top 4 BB next year. Deciding whether I should consider internships at macro funds (esp. risk of not converting) as well as full-time but they seem rare. Also, disregarding the risk of not converting, how much stronger is starting career at a strong macro fund compared to doing 4/5 years at a bank then trying to move over? I've heard banks train you better + less risky but same time the rigor of funds seems appealing to motivate getting stronger.
Starting your career in rates trading at a top 4 BB versus pursuing an internship at a macro fund comes down to weighing the trade-offs between training, risk, and long-term career goals. Here's a breakdown based on the most helpful WSO content:
Training and Skill Development:
Risk of Non-Conversion:
Career Progression:
Lifestyle and Culture:
Long-Term Impact:
Recommendation: If you're risk-averse or unsure about your long-term goals, starting at the BB is the safer and more versatile option. It provides a strong foundation and keeps your options open for a future move to a macro fund. However, if you're confident in your passion for macro and willing to take on the risk, pursuing an internship at a fund could accelerate your path—just be prepared for the challenges of converting and succeeding in a high-pressure environment.
Sources: Megafunds starting associates 6 months earlier, https://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forum/private-equity/going-from-mm-investment-bank-to-mega-fund?customgpt=1, Anyone regret LMM/MM?, Q&A: Non-Target School to Portfolio Manager at a Top Hedge Fund – 6 Years Out of Undergrad
Few things.
Hey, in the same position as OP - but for summers instead.
Appreciate your answer, but would you not say its almost two separate industries though, i.e. rates @ BB -> Macro / Disc pods, and then prop -> quant / systematic funds?
How much leeway is there to move between the two industries, e.g. rates on the sell-side to a prop fund, or going from prop into a macro pod?
How feasible is it to lateral from GS/JP/MS desks in London office to the NY office? And the same for macro funds or macro pods at MMs.
I think the main difference is between investing sytle: discretionary or systematic. That would moreso determine the type of fund/pod you go to rather than where you come from. People from prop-firms and banks move to the same buyside shops.
You can move from banks to prop-trading firms (or vice versa in theory, but less frequent I think). Prop-trading firms have been building out their fixed-income businesses in recent years and thus have been hiring people from banks. I assume there is a limit to this once the teams are staffed.
The top/smartest grads have been going to JS/CitSec/5R/etc type places (+ equivalent buyside training programs) for a while now; I think would be straightforward for them to go to a HF if they wanted to. However, I think they are taking lots of risk + comp already v. strong at some of those places, so less incentive to leave.
Moving between offices is certainly possible over time, but depends on factors out of your control (i.e. people leaving/being fired in target location to open spots up for you). Also, note that the three banks you listed above span the spectrum of mobility difficulty in my opinion. On the buyside, probably less likely for a pod to move an existing (junior) employee from one region/away from the team to another unless there is a strong reason - others may disagree. Of course, you can move between regions by hopping to a new job (keeping in mind sponsorship requirements).
Would you mind elaborating more about the names of "HFs with dedicated grad training programs" and why macro desks at JS/CitSec/5R/etc prop trading firms provide best training experience? Appreciate your time!
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