Historically and even currently, which firms are known to hire the most polished kids (relatively) with small variation among the incoming class? I'd argue that some EBs are like that but unsure whether there are specific firms that are known to be more selective (either due to class size or selectivity)
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Laz/Roth in London full of Etonian
Wtf is Etonian?
People who went to Eton College, a posh boarding school in the UK.
people from Estonia
Eton is a private boarding high school in the UK. It has produced 20 of the UK's prime ministers. Imagine if 20 U.S. presidents had all attended the same private high school... that's the equivalent. The closest thing we have in the U.S. is 8 presidents went to undergrad at Harvard for university.
Tuition is currently around $65,000 USD per year.
Phillips Andover_vEngland basically
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lol clearly you work at greenhill. No one wants to work there
Lazard has polished kids? You must be kidding. Sure it's full of Eton / Harrow people but they are in no way banking polished, they are just a bunch of entitled kids who would get smoked by BB people any day.
Found the DB guy
All spring converts as well so technical skills are in the toilet
Lazard London are not THAT polished imho. Centerview, PJT , Robey, Zaoui are. Greenhill not at all. Evercore is 50/50. This is for LONDON not US.
Really interesting question. Not sure if you're US but based on my completely personal and arbitrary judgement of people based on who I knew in college (went to wharton), I would say
Most polished: PWP weirdly (kinda boring people but definitely polished), the best "true" EBs so like M. Klein & Company or Raine Group, Lazard (got pretty uptight vibes), Morgan Stanley, Moelis for the most part (though a lot of these kids don't see the light of day)
Least polished: Evercore (they take a lot of weird kids, though some are alright), Liontree, JPM (the people they take full time are half people who interned at worse banks during the summer bc they're allergic to giving more than 50% returns for some reason), Centerview (again, they just end up taking a lot of iffy kids bc they used to go so late that it was all of the kids who couldn't get offers)
take it with a grain of salt bc most classes are so big that it's a mixed bag. curious to hear others' thoughts
Seconding your thoughts on Evercore. Maybe this was just my experience at my target some years back (my friends at other targets say similar things) but the Evercore kids were weird was fuck lmfao. Idk what it was but they were nerdy, not in a CVP intellectual kid way or a true EB technicals beast (PJT/PWP/M Klein). It’s like they’re compensating for something idk
I generally have found top groups in the top BBs/the other EB kids to be a bit more normal/polished. Maybe it’s something in their interview/recruiting process. Shockingly the non-target ppl as well came off very polished (IU Kelley for example), maybe because it’s such an uphill battle only the best make it.
Ik this is very specific but trust me if you meet some ppl at evercore in the junior level this will make a lot of sense lmfao
https://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forum/investment-banking/seeing-evercor…
Agree, they’re fucking weird. Evercore are a bunch of Sheldon Cooper type twunts who aren’t as smart as they want everyone to believe.
Congrats on Raine!
Goldman’s polish is unparalleled
I have yet to meet someone at Goldman or Morgan Stanley that doesn’t impress me and have confidence beyond their years.
I’m talking Canada but I’m sure the same applies to the US in NYC, if not moreso.
Actually MS & GS (in NYC) take a lot of DEI folks so the quality might vary there
I’ve only met non-DEIs so we’ll say notwithstanding DEI they are very impressive, which makes sense as the non-DEIs have to carry even more weight due to the DEIs.
You actually need to be more polished as a non white hire at a place like GS or MS so maybe check yourself there
Shut yo DEI ass up 😭
Your odds of acceptance are at times quite literally 50-100x non-DEIs.
By virtue of having a massively more competitive process, you get insanely polished candidates.
Not wrong - sure, DEI hires are often less technically competent (on average). However, by consequence, more focus is placed on behaviorals which is a better indicator of 'polish'
Easy to have "confidence beyond your years" when you're at GS/MS in Canada (big fish in small pond theory)
What does “most polished” mean? The most robotic and lifeless candidates or the ones that speak most effectively - what is it? Know it when you see it kind of thing?
Someone like Rishi Sunak
Lol is being polished a good thing then?
I guess the ones with absolutely no personality, behave and talk like robots reading scripts are considered "polished" these days.
Very strong EQ and can perform well socially with seniors/clients etc.
Centerview from my experience
I would definitely say the bank of touching grass without a doubt.
Kids that went to MS from my school I thought were very polished. Always liked the way they communicated or did their tasks.
Wells Fargo
Easily Natixis
Pierce & Pierce, bar none.
Most Polished easily has to be Warsaw Corporate and Investment Bank. Those kids are Polish af.
they're ultrapolished actually
CVP and Lazard from my experience
Lazard is crazy good
JPM, Barclays
Most polished interpersonally
Morgan Stanley in Europe. Very nerdy as well.
Stephen Hawking ahhh title
This has got to be one of the most embarrassing questions ever posted here...
I mean after you get out of your "bubble" (college/WSO) you'll realize that no one gives a crap about being polished in IB/PE. You are either a high performer/great at executing (as an analyst/associate/VP) or bring in business/revenue (as MD). Being polished is a nice bonus but no one gives attention to that like 1-2 months after you join your firm
OP watches too many Old Money reels on IG
(I'm sure he also edges to them)
THIS ^
Any EB but they are also socially incompetent and when you meet them going out are always creeps to girls. Probably due to just grinding at school their whole lives
In the world of investment banking, some firms have a reputation for being particularly picky about who they hire. These firms tend to look for candidates who are not only academically strong but also have a certain level of polish and consistency in their backgrounds.
Some are- Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, J.P. Morgan Chase & Lazard
Stephen’s
I think GS Warsaw is most Polish.
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