ESSEC MiM vs ESCP MiM — Italian guy (non-French speaker)
Got into ESSEC MiM, still deciding between that and ESCP MiM.
Quick context: Italian, zero French (just the Duolingo Pigeon), already accepted for a MSc Commodity Trading in Geneva too, but I have to find a Traineeship, so i had to decide what to do.
- ESSEC seems more prestigious in France, but I don't speak French and I'm not staying in France. Feels like buying a Ferrari to drive it in a city with no roads.
- ESCP has the multi-campus thing going (Paris, Berlin, London, Madrid) which at least sounds more useful for someone who'll never conjugate a verb in French.
- Does the ESSEC brand actually travel outside France, or is it mostly a Paris thing? And is ESCP's international setup as good in practice as it looks on the website?
I love commmodity trading but my aim is also Financial Markets. I know the MiFs are better for this field, I appllied to ESSCE and ESCP MiF but I'm not that strong lol.
Anyone gone through either and ended up in trading / commodities / derivatives? Would love to hear from people who actually lived it.
When you say MiM, is it the Programme Grande Ecole
yes that is what he will mean
ESSEC > ESCP in Paris but I have been seeing crazy ESCP growth lately
would still take ESSEC given the historical French rankings being HEC > ESSEC > ESCP
Yes, ESSEC marginally and I really mean MARGINALLY above in France, but for the rest of Europe (and LDN) it won't make any difference (what will matters is mostly prior experiences/internships/activities)
Thank you man, as a non-French I think the same
Based on the most helpful WSO content, here's what you need to know:
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Given your background (Italian, non-French speaker) and career aspirations in commodities/trading/financial markets, ESCP MiM seems like the better fit. Its international setup aligns well with your goals, and it avoids the limitations of ESSEC's France-centric reputation. However, make sure to actively leverage the multi-campus opportunities and network aggressively in key financial hubs like London.
Sources: European Master in Finance programmes (pre-experience), Msc Finance ranking Europe, Comprehensive guide of studies in France
ESCP by far for finance. Essec is good in consulting and luxury
Essec is also good in apprenticeship model which keeps your degree cheap. But yeah for finance ESCP generally has an advantage
But there's no good apprenticeships in top finance roles no?
Are not the ESSEC apprenticeships only for French speaker? Cause' for ESCP it's like this
Prestige wise they're neck and neck in France.
But Escp has recently overtaken Essec to take the #2 spot in a majority of rankings, even national ones (L'étudiant, Figaro etc.)
For London I'd say ESCP has an advantage though.
If you were French and came from prépa I'd have said Essec but since you're international and don't speak a word of French I'd lean towards ESCP.
Both are really good business schools and will open doors.
Thank you for the insights man, I have the same view. I think I will opt for ESCP
Just an observation from a small sample size, as someone who went to do 4 interviews for London SA last year I came across escp and hec students but none from Essec.
Funnily none of them were French..
Really? Yeah some ESCP alumni told me that the Career Fair ESCP programs are better, especially for finance, as they also have campuses in London. It provides a better exposure I think
ESSEC better than ESCP in any perspective in term of prestige - France is a rigid education system
ESSEC is good for flexible graduation system - you can extend graduation to 4 years and not traditional 3 years to do internships
However, ESCP may provide you the opportunity to study in London that can make you eligible for PSW visa to work there if you do not have rights to work in UK
Sure most BBs sponsor their interns, but not really for all funds/MMs. If you want to work in London and not at the BB level candidate then ESCP is considerable
Essec is 1/3rd French, 1/3rd Asian, and another 1/3rd is African. Escp is like 40-50% Italian if I remember correctly. I think the network effects are much stronger for you at ESCP. There's so many of Italian, Escp alumni in London its crazy
Hi, thank you man, with "Escp alumni in London its crazy ", you mean crazy like in the good sense? ahahahah
Ahaha not in a bad way at all. Italian + escp or bocconi is a very strong combination bro
honestly I do not really care the difference of the two - I am neither of them so no conflict of interests
Would say the real top notch people are Oxbridge bachelors breaking into IB at 21, and they are most liked in all BB/EBs. All French universities fall behind them. Would never say ESCP has crazy number of people in London
Well of course.. Oxford is one of the oldest universities in the world, ingrained in the British culture and the other is a business school with a campus there for a few decades. How is it a good comparison?
In terms of French business schools, HEC and Escp have more alumni in London than Essec, Which isn't to say Essec is a bad school, they simply went in the APAC direction strategically like insead, which I believe is paying off well.
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