Keeping it somewhat realistic/serious it would probably be going into a State/Local Gov role, working at an Endowment Fund, or working at a NFP University/Hospital. Maybe you could include becoming a Professor/Teacher. It is a stretch, but maybe doing some type of Infra investing or development in toll roads or renewable energy. Just some top of mind thoughts
Know 3 banking people who eventually went to med school. One of them was a victim of the GFC and years later, it's evident that Wall Street left a bitter taste in his mouth but now, he seems super happy with his career choice. The most recent one I knew for a bit in high school. He openly told me he was planning on doing finance for 2-3 years and pivot to med school if he didn't think it was a good fit (I still think it might have been pressure from his parents as both were clinicians).
Wouldn't recommend this exit unless you're very passionate about it lol. A lot of these people had a few years in between leaving finance and going into medicine to pick up on pre-reqs / relevant career experience.
I really am not cut out for medical school haha. I'm just trying to find something i like within Politics/Journalism that i could combine with a finance background but that doesn't seem to exist as of now or i don't know about it. I have never really been super into investing and i know many people are who enter finance but that's just not me so I'm just trying to explore other options to see what I like and am good at.
I'm just trying to find something i like within Politics/Journalism that i could combine with a finance background but that doesn't seem to exist as of now or i don't know about it.
Journalism at this point in time is literally the least ethical field you could be involved with....
Really great perspective, would love to connect as I’m on the same route. At the end of my banking stint now and making the transition to full time med school prep. DM me if you’re cool with it.
Ethics and this realm of finance are independent of each other.
There isn't really any. The closest you can get is maybe working on the investment team of an endowment/hospital/non-profit? You could go government, but most government "finance" roles are like "finance" roles at companies: mainly accounting jobs. Especially at the level you're likely to join at.
The closest you would get is something accounting related since accounting is at its core based on the past whereas finance is focused on making decisions for the future, hence you don't have an impact on the future and accounting is a profession known for priding itself on ethics. But it would be a massive downgrade to go from a front office in BB or EB to a mid-sized accounting firm doing work like a Q of E for clients.
Regardless I think you're focusing on the wrong thing.
I’m sure your financial engineering that has led to a record number of PE restructurings is great for society. Coping through ignorance is a common strategy though can’t blame you
Literally any established exit from IB is "ethical" - PE/HF juniors are not making any major decisions on the societal level, they are either a cog in the wheel or are at best betting on outside factors helping their positions grow. Finance isn't this "big bad wolf" sector that the layman thinks it is, the GFC removed most of the extreme excess of the industry and really busted down most of the degenerate behavior. You buying some widget manufacturer at BX/KKR/etc for 3x EBITDA and selling for 5x is not remotely unethical. Neither is longing O&G companies and shorting renewables (or any other HF strategy). Your only moral imperative is to manage your investors money and seek their benefit. Overall, your job at a macro level is helping good companies succeed and not exposing yourself to bad companies. This is a finance board, none of us on here are as awful as the layman thinks and definitely none of us on here are as "cool" as we think we are. We are all bunch of a nerds with an interest in making money/competition/economics/whatever.
Now, if you're looking for a position that has a positive effect on society that isn't just targeted towards large institutions and/or wealthy people, go to law school and become a public defense attorney. But even that could be considered "unethical" by some definitions as you might have to defend serial killers, abusers, etc. Or even easier, go do your well paid finance job, be a good person inside and outside the office and mby donate some of your carry/bonus to charity.
Performing a leveraged buyout on a private company is not unethical. It's not unethical to borrow money from someone and repay it. Most of homeownership is borrowing money from someone and repaying it. Saying that borrowing money to buy a business is unethical is tantamount to saying that business ownership itself is unethical, unless you think that businesses should just all be run on an unlevered basis (Islamic perspective, for example). If the levered part is the moral hang-up, is a bank lending money to people unethical? Is renting a property from someone unethical? If renting a property from someone is ethical, but bank lending is unethical, why is that? Bank lending is nothing more than the rental of someone else's accumulated savings. If you think renting a property is unethical, why is that? Considering the frictional costs of transacting in real estate, isn't it more convenient for people who want to stay in a place on a short-term basis to rent the premises rather than buy them? I'm curious to know your perspective on why any of these things are unethical unless it is religious in nature, in which case I understand.
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HF, especially activist funds
ethical? Who gives a fuck
Clearly I do if I asked the damn question 💀
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Keeping it somewhat realistic/serious it would probably be going into a State/Local Gov role, working at an Endowment Fund, or working at a NFP University/Hospital. Maybe you could include becoming a Professor/Teacher. It is a stretch, but maybe doing some type of Infra investing or development in toll roads or renewable energy. Just some top of mind thoughts
Protesting, big money there
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Working for investment team of a foundation / endowment
Wouldn’t that likely entail investing in the funds that OP is implying are unethical?
Heard Harvard is looking for a new president
Heard PIF was hiring
Know 3 banking people who eventually went to med school. One of them was a victim of the GFC and years later, it's evident that Wall Street left a bitter taste in his mouth but now, he seems super happy with his career choice. The most recent one I knew for a bit in high school. He openly told me he was planning on doing finance for 2-3 years and pivot to med school if he didn't think it was a good fit (I still think it might have been pressure from his parents as both were clinicians).
Wouldn't recommend this exit unless you're very passionate about it lol. A lot of these people had a few years in between leaving finance and going into medicine to pick up on pre-reqs / relevant career experience.
I really am not cut out for medical school haha. I'm just trying to find something i like within Politics/Journalism that i could combine with a finance background but that doesn't seem to exist as of now or i don't know about it. I have never really been super into investing and i know many people are who enter finance but that's just not me so I'm just trying to explore other options to see what I like and am good at.
Try WSJ then
Journalism at this point in time is literally the least ethical field you could be involved with....
Yes politics and journalism, famous for their high ethical standards. Perhaps the NYT needs a new regime propagandist.
Really great perspective, would love to connect as I’m on the same route. At the end of my banking stint now and making the transition to full time med school prep. DM me if you’re cool with it.
Police officer
What does ethical mean?
Ethics and this realm of finance are independent of each other.
There isn't really any. The closest you can get is maybe working on the investment team of an endowment/hospital/non-profit? You could go government, but most government "finance" roles are like "finance" roles at companies: mainly accounting jobs. Especially at the level you're likely to join at.
Corp Dev at an O&G company
The closest you would get is something accounting related since accounting is at its core based on the past whereas finance is focused on making decisions for the future, hence you don't have an impact on the future and accounting is a profession known for priding itself on ethics. But it would be a massive downgrade to go from a front office in BB or EB to a mid-sized accounting firm doing work like a Q of E for clients.
Regardless I think you're focusing on the wrong thing.
At a higher level you could bring your skills to public finance. May be more rewarding
Serious question as I’m confused. What is unethical in the typical exits like PE or HF?
Nothing. Just people who don’t understand basic economics and chased this job for prestige feeling (rightly) that their life is empty.
I’m sure your financial engineering that has led to a record number of PE restructurings is great for society. Coping through ignorance is a common strategy though can’t blame you
Ethical Capital Partners is the place you are looking for
Good job - this one went over many people’s heads
Literally any established exit from IB is "ethical" - PE/HF juniors are not making any major decisions on the societal level, they are either a cog in the wheel or are at best betting on outside factors helping their positions grow. Finance isn't this "big bad wolf" sector that the layman thinks it is, the GFC removed most of the extreme excess of the industry and really busted down most of the degenerate behavior. You buying some widget manufacturer at BX/KKR/etc for 3x EBITDA and selling for 5x is not remotely unethical. Neither is longing O&G companies and shorting renewables (or any other HF strategy). Your only moral imperative is to manage your investors money and seek their benefit. Overall, your job at a macro level is helping good companies succeed and not exposing yourself to bad companies. This is a finance board, none of us on here are as awful as the layman thinks and definitely none of us on here are as "cool" as we think we are. We are all bunch of a nerds with an interest in making money/competition/economics/whatever.
Now, if you're looking for a position that has a positive effect on society that isn't just targeted towards large institutions and/or wealthy people, go to law school and become a public defense attorney. But even that could be considered "unethical" by some definitions as you might have to defend serial killers, abusers, etc. Or even easier, go do your well paid finance job, be a good person inside and outside the office and mby donate some of your carry/bonus to charity.
Performing a leveraged buyout on a private company is not unethical. It's not unethical to borrow money from someone and repay it. Most of homeownership is borrowing money from someone and repaying it. Saying that borrowing money to buy a business is unethical is tantamount to saying that business ownership itself is unethical, unless you think that businesses should just all be run on an unlevered basis (Islamic perspective, for example). If the levered part is the moral hang-up, is a bank lending money to people unethical? Is renting a property from someone unethical? If renting a property from someone is ethical, but bank lending is unethical, why is that? Bank lending is nothing more than the rental of someone else's accumulated savings. If you think renting a property is unethical, why is that? Considering the frictional costs of transacting in real estate, isn't it more convenient for people who want to stay in a place on a short-term basis to rent the premises rather than buy them? I'm curious to know your perspective on why any of these things are unethical unless it is religious in nature, in which case I understand.
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