Group Tiers at MS
Info as to best/worst groups at MS? Looking to make some offer decisions based upon insights about where placement would be
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M&A
M&C
FSG/GPUG/Transpo
Industrial/HC/C&R
I thought FSG was way higher, HC too, did they really fall that far?
I only put them there because they dont do M&A in house. All of the groups at MS are great now that RE and FIG do their own things now.
missing ms menlo
Right because that would be relevant for NY group placements
(ignore title) Is this ranking based purely on exits? how does this shift if based on deal flow and culture?
No idea what deal flow looks like. Just based on the Linkedin scrape of MFPE placements
Bump
Based on exits + how the groups are perceived internally:
M&A, Menlo Tech (both extremely sweaty)
M&C (now closer to FSG as they are having some of their modeling taken away but still the best NY coverage group)
FSG (still a small tier above the rest; effectively 100% MF/UMM placement last 3 years but a lot stay A2A bc of good culture)
GPUG/Transpo (GPUG has great MF Infra placement, Transpo solid UMM w ocasional MF)
NY Tech/HC/IND (good spots overall just doesn’t have the placement edge that the above do)
C&R/FIG (laughed at internally, know i will get MS from a salty fig associate)
RE is a solid RE group but exits are obviously limited to REPE
would love more context on why C&R and FIG laughed at internally? I'm assuming they're ranking bottom for different reasons?
What have FSG/GPUG exits been?
Is it the same for London office?
Any intel on what Activism defense and shareholder advisory group does, and how it is perceived internally?
They mainly help company boards that are fighting off activist investors and hostile takeovers, it’s a small group that sits with M&A. Cool work but it’s a very different skillset than coverage banking, wouldn’t count on exiting to PE.
1) Sweaty and miserable: M&A, FIG
2) Chill culture but not sure what they do: FSG, GPUG
3) Average (somewhere between groups 1 and 2): Transpo, M&C, Industrials, HC
4) No deals (but culture isn't as good as group 2) : NY Tech, Consumer
You can land MF from any group from MS
Is the culture at M&A good at least
No. I mean think about it - it's super competitive to get. So it's the most hardo subset of an already hardo sample population.
Culture is great! Don't let ppl tell you otherwise. You're going to work hard no matter what, if you are interested in the numbers and the modeling shoot for M&A. Best junior banking experience on the street, you'll be more in the model than any of your peers in other groups or at other banks.
Only reply familiar with MS - strong placements are the norm for all groups. Only a few of the HSD # of analysts across each group participate in on-cycle (this # has not significantly changed), a small sample size creating false perceptions not only among groups, but also other leading banks (being the smallest)
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