Is 1 year in banking really equivalent to 2 elsewhere?
Is this really true? How can it be justified?
Why do MBAs require 4-5 years of work experience but only 2-3 if you’ve done investment banking or consulting?
Is this really true? How can it be justified?
Why do MBAs require 4-5 years of work experience but only 2-3 if you’ve done investment banking or consulting?
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Honest answer: it is not and IB is frequently overhyped here as WSO is so IB centric
The reality is such experience conversion only works if you are working in "directly transferable" fields such as corp dev, investor relations and capital markets in a corporate.
And I would rather say those without IB experience in these fields get their experience halved rather than the ex-IB ones got double counted because these jobs are process heavy but you don't get to manage that many processes in a corporate.
Let's get more realistic here. Do you think you know more industry than someone who went through LDP in the industry or some MBB or even big 4 kids who spent 60 hours everyday desktop researching industry crap?
Your job is mostly managing VDR, NDA, NRL, reading seniors commenting on some SPA bs, massaging your meaningless financial model and valuation, spreading comps, reading through big 4 FDD's EBITDA adjustment. Do you really think you have any substantial skillset that deserves doubling your experience? The most tangentially related sector experience is doing IMs where you put together a few dozens slides of benchmarking, sector overview and company overview. Investment banking at many levels are process heavy and about transaction execution / management.
The frequent corporate exits that appreciate ex-bankers are usually the roles I mentioned above + startups with ex-BB IBD or MBB heavy management. Reason being these jobs are basically the higher paying but more brutal ones and frequently you are in charge of many processes. Most working in 9-6 in corporate won't compete with you. Your boss is ex-BB IBD and he would value your resume over theirs and they will also stick with their cushy job without sweating themselves working under some pushy ex-bankers. Try gunning for FP&A, treasury and other operation / financial type corporate roles at a well-established (i.e. non-startup / non-growth) type of companies, I doubt they will value you over someone who did LDP in a related industry or big 4.
tl;dr: no, unless you are trying startups or corpdev/IR/cap markets. bankers are good at process which isn't valued vs actual sector knowledge and on the ground experience
This is right. BB IB will get you in the door at interviews, no question, but you don't see 1st years exiting to corporate ASO roles for a reason (excluding very small companies).
I love hating on this forum and IB being overhyped and hate disagreeing with this take, but I do.
I think the intensity level of IB and the pace just isn’t matched in other industries. Even places where people work 9am to 8pm, there isn’t a culture of needing ti learn the fastest shortcuts and respond to emails so promptly. M&A processes can move so fast at times that you get to see very transformative inflection points in a company and broader business strategy that other people might not ever see or they would see those sorts of decisions over a longer time period.
I think IBankers have an inflated level of importance, but I think the job itself is very deserving of the “you learn in dog years” mantra. I think the learning slows rapidly after 2 years, but someone with 2 years of experience IB I do think is equivalent to 5 years elsewhere—if you do an MBA, you learn just how much faster the IB world moves compared to other careers (exceptions being HF, PE, other high finance roles).
You definitely learn twice as much in such a short time frame, at least when it comes to technical skills. I Worked in corporate for 3 years before IB, and am now in corp dev. Working with some of our departments you can clearly see that there’s a difference between a regular 9-5 person and someone that did IB. They just take much longer to get stuff done, don’t have any presentation skill and can’t really use excel other than data entry. Every time there’s a more complex excel exercise, we get asked to help out and do it for them. This sounds like me shitting on regular employees but I was the same way before I did IB. Looking back I learned an insane amount in 2 years and am now so much more efficient and skilled with work. I could barely use excel before other than basic formulas, would just use my mouse all the time and my ppts looked like a 3rd grade school project. There might not be a crazy difference between IB and like ER but there certainly is to someone that does like an entry level credit analyst role.
What did you do in corporate before IB? Curious because I am looking at different corporate opportunities post-IB and know enough about Corp Dev but not other functions. Did you go into IB with the desire to exit to Corp Dev or did you initially plan on PE, etc?
Not necessarily. Many analysts are never trusted to do significant modeling or analysis. So they might spend tons of hours sending around diligence trackers and WGLs. But they’ll have learning almost nothing
I don’t think it’s as simple as IB analyst with 1 YOE will “know” twice as much as a generic analyst with 1 YOE in a generic 9-5 business role. It’s not like they’ll have “2x the technical skills” or “2x the knowledge” of people that did less demanding roles. But that’s a pedantic way of looking it and doesn’t really capture what’s valued in the finance or corporate world. Effectiveness and reliability are what are valued and they absolutely crush 9-5ers by those standards.
They’ll have spent 2x (or honestly more) the time doing qualitative and technical work under high pressure, under tight deadlines, for demanding clients, with high accuracy requirements, on novel situations, sometimes with limited information, for bosses with very high expectations, around competitive and intelligent peers and superiors. From a general employee value point of view I think they’re getting 2x the development of people that frankly just phone it in without really learning anything new or having real pressure to perform and grow. Not to mention the exposure you get from being on hundreds of client calls and meetings hearing incredibly smart people discuss their business. I think they can easily come in and be 2x as effective, reliable, and valuable over time as someone without a comparable work ethic and level of exposure.
This isn’t just theory. The analysts in my group that exited (with promotions) to less demanding corporate roles repeatedly observe the same exact trend, they run CIRCLES around their peers, work much harder and faster, get promoted earlier, get better projects, etc. This doesn’t translate to getting paid more right away unfortunately, but I think it has a significant impact on being respected and valued as a professional, which has a significant impact on your long term trajectory. The people above shitting on IB work as easy or monotonous or “process oriented” are clowns, as if every random ass FLD or Big 4 analyst is spending 35-40 hours a week doing COMPLETELY NEW advanced particle physics for NASA with 0 processes established. Give me a damn break.
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