NYC concealed-Carry
Now that we can once again concealed-carry in NYC, do you expect the city to get safer? Will criminals think twice about robbing stores, mugging people etc. ? What are your thoughts?
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Personally, I don't think this legislation is going to have a drastic of an impact as people might think. Irrespective of the legality of carrying a firearm, there are no laws (to my knowledge) that exist in NY that are a proxy for the "stand-your-ground" laws, found in other states, that protect the rights of those defending themselves. Without these laws, I would expect those who are carrying to not engage in a gunfight with a suspected criminal.
I'm pretty sure NYC has self-defense laws that would allow you to use a gun if your life was threatened.
No in New York law you have a duty to retreat before use of lethal force. If you fulfill that and your life is still in danger, then you can use lethal force. Dumb ass law, but sadly it is the law.
Lol at all the people who don’t realize this just made it way easier for criminals and took away a key mechanism (gun law violations) for putting crooks behind bars. Gun control laws in nyc were originally championed by the police. It’s of little use to have a gun in you if a robber is pointing theirs at you…
Interesting perspective. If these criminals have weapons illegally due to prior convictions aren't there still mechanisms to put them behind bars? Wouldn't you say many criminals would in the past illegally carry guns regardless of gun laws, but now that they know civilians might carry they might be more hesitant to commit robberies etc.? Biggest issue I am worried about is collateral damage in the event of escalated confrontations.
No bias just trying to figure this out.
I mean same here. I like guns. I also like NOT getting shot randomly 🤣
It’s one less tool. Some nyc guns laws have their genesis in law enforcement where they knew someone was connected but hadn’t done something they could prove…but because they were illegally carrying they could still get them off the street. Not that ANY of this matters to scotus right now 🤣
Given the culture in New York, owning a gun for self defense is just inconvenient. I feel like more people will buy one for self defense, but that even more people than that will use it for criminal purposes. I could be wrong
this will literally change nothing, Americans top the list for most naive and ignorant group of people in the world, imagine thinking criminals will respect any sort of gun law anyway, it's the same thing as the abortion laws, all it does is make it harder for people who were going to abort anyway to abort, it doesn't prevent anything lmfao
Bro I don’t trust a single New Yorker with a gun lmao
First off, the process for getting a carry permit does not change. All that matters is that the "Justifiable Need" aspect is no longer in force.
Second, there are other concerns (ex. where you can and cannot carry) that need to be resolved. Pay attention to anything about this if you plan to carry it. There is an obvious concern for "sensitive" places, but the legislative mandate cannot be too broad to cover the entire city and therefore prohibit conceal carry. Likewise, pay attention to reciprocity agreements - meaning if you live in Westchester and get your conceal permit, the city and state may not recognize that permit once you cross into the Five Burroughs. I'm curious how this changes in light of the NYSRPA v. Bruen ruling.
Third, I don't think NYC will get any safer per se. I think that it will take time for CCW to make its mark on the city. You also have to remember, that there are different categories of licenses for traditional license holders as well. These rules still remain in effect. I think that will impact businesses defending themselves. As far as the criminal element, the duty to retreat will still be a significant issue here - you have to prove that your gun was used as a last resort because you were not able to retreat any further. I'll use Kyle Rittenhouse (it's easy to use his situation as a teaching tool, so it's purely apolitical) as an example here - the first person he shot was after he tried to retreat happened after he was backed into a corner with no room to really go anywhere else and the person he injured, if you pay attention to the video, he was on his back after retreating and despite pointing the gun at the guy, had enough trigger discipline to not keep his finger on the trigger. It wasn't until the 3rd guy pulled his gun that Rittenhouse shot in self-defense. The issue with duty to retreat, and why I brought these two examples up, is that you have to make a legitimate effort to extract yourself from the situation before deadly force can be used, and it can only be used where appropriate. In the first situation, Rittenhouse erred in judgment in choosing where he ran towards and found himself blocked in by cars with nowhere else to run. He was caught in a situation where his only out was to use a gun. In the second situation, Rittenhouse had nowhere to run but did not use deadly force until he was forced to once the other guy moved to pull a gun on him. To be clear, I'm not discussing the case or anything involving it. I'm using what happened to illustrate the point that deadly force laws and duty to retreat laws have a burden of proof. You cannot be the aggressor and are required to extricate yourself from the situation where at all possible. This won't change in NY unless the laws change.
Fourth, I just don't think anything changes until the bigger issues are clarified. States are already looking into these things so let's see how it plays out in light of the SCOTUS ruling at the legislative level first.
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