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This is just chpt 11, not the bread and butter rx work that is out of court. Very few filings in Q1'26 so all these chpt 11 fees are off of n=1 or n=2 cases for these firms

 

For some reason OP put debtor fees too which is one of the least useful metrics. Most useful to look at total engagements and what LMEs each group has been on (lots of Moelis, PJT, HL, and Evercore)

 

Op did post total fees somewhere on this thread. Would argue fees is a very helpful metric though, gives an idea as to scale. It’s not the end all be all metric but still 

 

1. Why are A&M and FTI IB arms so high up?

2. Who tf is IslandDundon?

3. How is BRG not on here when they’ve been Debtor side advisor on 3 of the top 10 largest deals this year?  Are they doing pro bono work lol

4. Where is PWP?

4. Who paid Ducera 31M in advisory fees over a 3 month period? Damn

 
  1. A&M is a player in the MM IB / RX IB space. We work with them at my firm. They don’t pitch on a lot of deals, but when they do secure one they pop up on the league tables bc they’re pretty respectable deals. The reputation of their RXCo practice definitely helps in securing these deals. FTI IB is small but they still get a couple of LMM deals 
  2. Partnership between Dundon (which most people in RX know about) and Island Capital, a real estate company.
  3. This is fees confirmed on a final basis in Q1’26, meaning these are deals originated in 2025. BRG should pop up in the Q3 or Q4 or FY26 league tables, if not sooner.
  4. Idk
  5. Someone who had enough money apparently. Will make a disclaimer that this is not necessarily over a 3 month period. Could’ve been the past 12 months that was just approved as final.
 

Ok that makes alot more sense. IG final approval of fees are a bit slower than vanilla transaction fees due to slower moving court processes, but I’m still curious how IBs are compensated in a Ch 11 RX - I thought their primary source of Revenue still came from gross transaction %. Do these fees include that form of compensation, or are these solely “advisory” fees for Cap structure management? Bc if Ducera is making that much off of one deal (even over a 4-5 month period) excluding their transaction/divestiture % proceeds then dam this is extremely lucrative. And are banks mostly hired in ch 11 for liability management, even when there’s no sale of assets? If so, why couldn’t say the consultants team with lawyers regarding liability/cap structure management, and save the company tons of money in fees?

 
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It's actually not that surprising. RX IBs get paid on a success fee basis. If you put the monthly fees for the Rx IB, Rx consultants, and Rx lawyers into a spreadsheet side by side, the IB looks almost irrelevant, maybe $250K/month, while the consultants and lawyers are running at $750K+ per month. But at the back end of the deal, the IB collects a massive success fee in the millions, contingent on the transaction actually closing. The consultants and lawyers, by contrast, get a smaller back-end fee or none at all, they just keep running up the tab at a much higher monthly rate throughout.

But, in order for that to happen, there must be something that justifies hiring an IB. Usually this is an asset sale, and cases that involve that therefore tend to earn the RX IB a lot of money. I'm willing to bet that this was what this Ducera fee is for. 

This could go wrong though. A good example is the very recent first brands case. Lazard stood to make around $16.5M on the DIP loan, plus a couple million off of retainer fees, plus around $33 million in a asset sale fee. But, the sale process basically collapsed, and they ended up with around $25-50 million all in, but missed out on the transaction fee. 

The real winners of the restructuring process , almost every time, are the consultants and the lawyers. It's actually embarrassingly clear when you see the numbers. In the First Brands case, A&M billed $43.4 million in the first three months alone, court-approved, while the case is still grinding on with projections pointing toward fees in the high hundreds of millions by the time it wraps. In FTX, A&M earned roughly $120 million in 2023 and somewhere between $300–400 million over the full three-year case. PWP, the IB, earned a fraction of that over the same period, virtually nothing. The bankers made peanuts by comparison.

At the end of the day, the consultant and lawyers aren't betting on a deal closing, they just show up everyday and bill lol.

 

If anyone has any experience, is it harder on average to get into M&A IB or RX consulting, at a junior level?

 

I came to Rx Co from the undergrad level, and I’d still say likely Rx IB simply due to supply. Across all the T1s, there’s maybe ~40 internship spots per year and most analyst classes are filed from internship conversions. The other Rx Co firms are also ramping up undergraduate hiring.

Not sure what the number of seats for RX IB are, but likely lower than ~40 across the reputable banks. The banks also likely have a more competitive pool of applicants (M&A bankers, PE analysts, etc.) than Rx Co.

Interested to hear others perspective on this though

 

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