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Being communicated electronically. Firm is supposed to have the second best year in history for investment banking. Folks are already planning on leaving before bonus even comes out lol, speaks to morale and confidence on junior comp.

 
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This firm is horrible.

Associate

Base: $175K

Bonus: ~$100K

Hours: 90 on average

 

Is this top buck? Not ideal but it’s really not that bad compared to the likes of bofa or maybe some others. Like is $130-140 from JPM/MS that much better (top of street for Associate 1 this yr, look at the threads). That’s $15K post-tax difference…this is what the industry pays now unless you’re at an EB dog. Fifteen thousand dollars difference. Enough to basically pay rent, eat a couple meals at bond st, and buy your girlfriend a second hand designer bag from the real real…IB!!

 

Got to love top MMs, value add between shops is minimal so everyone has to pitch like crazy and do a ton of extra bs on requests to appease clients. 

 

I understand that. I was simply talking about how top MM people have to work very hard to create value add since M&A advisory between top MM firms are not greatly differentiated, leading to MDs doing everything under the sun to appease and maintain clients at the expense of an execution team's hours.

 

its crazy how bad pay is across the board these days in this industry. when i was an associate 2 back in the 2010s i was mid bucket and cleared $350k all in at a bulge. and we complained back then how small it was compared to the pre-GFC days. i see here that base is still the same at 175k and the bonus isn't even 1 to 1. crazy how firms have now normalized this crap pay judging by comments i see often now like "thats above market" or "not bad".

 

Yes, but I have friends at RJ who don't work anywhere close to the amount of volume.

 

Yeah a lot of the frustration is around being led on by management. They did brutal layoffs a couple years ago, we have been understaffed at the associate level, blew budget out of the water this year, but what does any of that translate to? When will we actually get paid well? Seems like never. 3rd year of being disappointed by management and honestly that is on me at this point for continuing to staying at a firm like this

 

Yes lol, making 190k first year out of college is pretty solid most would say

 

im not sure where you get that number from lol. First year is taking home $150K, assuming an annualized bonus... 

 

this is exactly what bofa was trying to do. give you such terrible bonuses that whatever is better than that makes you think you are getting good ones. these numbers are terrible. not even inflation adjusted they are nominally way worse than what people were getting paid pre-covid. its not like the work and hours have gotten better for associates since then.

 

I'm pretty dumbfounded. The bank beat its budget but decided to only pay market bonuses after 2+ years of paying poor bonuses and promising top-of-market payouts.

Does anyone have any insight? Are the Partners just that greedy, or has the cost basis increased so much that they need to clean house?

The excuses used to be that they overhired and guaranteed bonuses, but that’s all in the past now.

 

Firm doesn’t have enough money. Severely over indexed to sponsor-related sell side M&A with 1. minimal presence in diversified products which can soften the blow when sponsor exits slow down (2023+) or 2. counter-cyclical teams like RX advisory.

Leads to high peaks and low valleys. Case study is how WB expanded the partner class tremendously at the peak of M&A just to de-partner many of those same folks when activity subsided.

Some of this can be solved if senior management has the desire. Wild card going forward feels like junior talent. I don’t know why talented Assocs / VPs would be excited about rising within the platform after not getting paid for 3 years while still getting worked.

 

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Firm doesn’t have enough money. Severely over indexed to sponsor-related sell side M&A with 1. minimal presence in diversified products which can soften the blow when sponsor exits slow down (2023+) or 2. counter-cyclical teams like RX advisory.



Leads to high peaks and low valleys. Case study is how WB expanded the partner class tremendously at the peak of M&A just to de-partner many of those same folks when activity subsided.



Some of this can be solved if senior management has the desire. Wild card going forward feels like junior talent. I don’t know why talented Assocs / VPs would be excited about rising within the platform after not getting paid for 3 years while still getting worked.

Cost base of the firm is also high (real estate, excess middle office / corporate functions).

Guessing Partners also took a larger share this year after effectively not getting paid for two years. Need to retain top revenue generators.

 

As someone who worked at EB / BB before joining William Blair, here are the real challenges at the senior analyst to senior associate level:

Compensation: Pay is slightly below market, typically $25K–$50K lower across all levels unless you're at the VP level or above. The most frustrating aspect isn't the pay differential but rather the fact that senior analysts / associates are expected to work significantly longer hours compared to peers at other MM firms. While the pay gap itself isn't my biggest concern, I'd be willing to take the cut if it came with a more predictable 70–80-hour workweek.

Culture: There's a culture of pushing the work down from VP and above, often leading to burnout on the junior level. I try to take care of analysts, but many of them are mentally drained and lack motivation. This dynamic forces me to play down. Silent quitting among deal teams compounds the problem, leaving you short-staffed and stretched thin on deliverables.

Responsibility and Hours: Associates here carry substantial execution responsibilities compared to peers at BB, EB, and other MM firms. There's also a lack of oversight from staffer.

These issues are just the tip of the iceberg and explain why there are so many associate openings at the firm. Honestly, anyone at Blair could transition to a BB or another MM with ease, given the volume of deals they’ve closed. If things don’t change, I wouldn’t be surprised to see a significant exodus in the coming year.

 

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