Debate Round 2
I'm getting a kick out of this one... It looks like Romney is pulling ahead again.
They really need one of those live lie detectors though, because it's hard to watch our president make shit up on the spot.
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I love how Romney put Obama in his place. Told him "that wasn't a question" haha.
I do find it comical how the college kid asked about jobs and both Obama and Romney rolled into the manufacturing jobs mantra.
yea I thought that kid looked like a typical entitled, unskilled comm major - Obama/Romney having gone to prestigious schools gave him the shaft
People who did not go to prestigious schools should not be allowed to ask questions. Seriously though, the townhall format is so retarded.
I don't know, Obama is doing pretty good. He stepped his game up. I was ready for a fist fight earlier haha.
Romney keeps driving home like the same 4 points. Maybe that is a good thing, I am not sure though.
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I love when Romney sticks it to him on the fact that he has had 4 years to get it done.
Oh man, this Romney rebuttal is epic hahah.
"Of course it adds up"
HOLY SHIT. DON'T THEY SCREEN IDIOTIC QUESTIONS?
Please Romney, Milton Friedman this bitch.
The moderator is so annoying. Pretty sure Romney is still crushing it though. Romney's coming off as a much more relatable character, he's smiling, joking around and looks very relaxed, I feel like I could walk out on my lawn and strike up a conversation with him. Obama just either laughs or goes on the attack.
What a liberal softball question. Completely wrong. Love how this girl still believes in this phantom 70 cents on the dollar lie.
Props to Romney for basically ignoring this worthless question and showing Obama's job record.
Obama nailed Romney with that "sketchy deal" gibe. He's definitely stepped up his game. Romney has to cut out that getting the final word in thing. Its really annoying.
Great. The lady realized Romney and Bush are both Republicans.
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I hope Obama can stop pretending to be a loser this time.
This audience is BS.
I think the Romney 5 point plan is actually working. It's stuck in my head and I can remember what Romney is going to do for America....can anyone actually remember what Obama's planning to do???
Smart play by Rom.
Romney is a genius in skirting around a question. I could see him as president. The last question, however, is definitely one for Obama to hammer home.
Oh man, here comes Obama's blame game. Could you imagine working with this guy?
"Yo, Obama, why is the power point fucked up?"
'Well, I came into a tough situation. The previous analyst fucked it up. I need 4 more hours and it will be great, even though I said that 4 hours ago"
Who would have guessed that Obama would remind us he inherited this problem when someone brings up Bush?
OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!
A black guy calling Obama out!!!!!!!!!!!
Only question I would ask if I were there:
Can you walk me through a DCF, and which discount rate would you use?
Oh man, Romneyyyyyyyyyy.
"He said 5.4%, I didn't"
Obama is getting bulldozed right now.
Romney owned him on this question.
$100 bucks this chick isn't legal.
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I thought the audience was from the local area?? Is Mexico near Long Island?
THIS IS FIXED!
Is 'Lorraine' that hard to grasp?
Oh Jesus.
"If my daughter looks like someone..."
"If I had a son he would look like him"
Romney was generous when he said Obama was a good speaker.
OMG!
Romneyyyyyyyy
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Obama needs to diversify his bonds.
Have you checked your pension? Oh man, Romney is just destroying this guy. I feel bad for him.
Wow, WTF Obama. Completely rude. And I love how Romney calls him out on his own pension.
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LIBYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
bout time Libya comes up!
I wonder who makes Obama's suits. They look pretty sharp.
^^ Hartmarx.
Do you know what shoes they're wearing?
Romney out of his element here.
Wow, we are 15T in debt, and we're going to talk about guns?
Frankly I was confused about the end of that Libya discussion. I mean I understand the point Romney was getting at, but it just got odd when Obama walked up there.
I think when Romney shot himself in the foot, Obama gained a little confidence.
Oh no, what is going on right now. ROMNEYYYYYYYY, SLAM OBAMA.
Why are we talking about two family homes and crap.
Strange questions tonight.
Obama wins
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good thing the moderator is unbiased...I think Obama is appealing much more to the average swing voter right now. it makes me sick when he speaks. this sucks
Obama smells blood.
These questions are screwing with both of these guys. Like no one wants to touch the 3rd rail of guns.
Neither Obama nor Romney want anything to do with that question haha.
I love America, but I hate Americans.
WTF was Romney talking about with the 'Fast & Furious' program? I figured that was about something else entirely. Retarded question however.
Yeah, no one wanted to talk about the guns issue. Romney was just trying to bring up some dirty crap that was slightly related to guns.
Guns is a lose lose item. Both skirted the issue.
I don't know, I am bored right now. Both of these guys are about done and keep repeating their core stance.
I call this a draw / slight win for Obama. He did a lot better, but Romney nailed him on a lot of things.
Did you watch the same debate I did? I'm sitting in a room of 4 democrats and some of them were physically cringing at how bad Romney is beating Obama.......This is a pretty clear victory for Romney, Obama made a slight comeback but most people flipped the channel by then.
Whether you agree with him politically or not, can you imagine Mitt back in the boardroom? That guy had to be an animal.
Everyone who worked with Romney said the guy was a BEAST. He was always the smartest guy in every room and inspired awe and envy from everyone. I think Romney, Schwarzman, Kravis, Bloomberg, are some of the most gifted people to have ever worked in finance.
Why does Obama admittedly say he get's his info from the media?? Is he that fucking retarded?
Romney is just aching to get into details and numbers, but can't because people are too dumb.
Also, I love how everyone has to demonize Americans because people are too dumb to become educated or learn a skill.
Who cares about manufactruing jobs? That's not where we're going, whether these guys like it or not.
I love Obama with his high wage, high skill job. How is that going to help the high school graduate or less unemployment rate.
Yeah, that was pretty stupid. But I think the moderator kind of led him in that direction by bringing up these big tech companies.
Meh, its a draw. Both are full of shit.
I will just say this, I think Romney is much more personable after these debates than before.
I feel bad for both of these guys for having to placate the proletariat. The Sheeple have no clue about anything anymore.
Ignoring the question again. WTF was the point of this? Mod had tons of opps to step in and ask both to actually answer the question rather then go on some stupid tangent.
Barack took this one. Obama dominated foreign policy, that libya answer was well said.
I think Obama is back on track. He hammered home what he needed to.
I don't know, I think it was 50/50. Romney wasn't perfect, but Obama had mistakes also. Considering that Romney was on point both events I still think Romney has strength.
These questions sucked though. I am sure both candidates didn't like them.
That is the point of a town hall though no? Get uncomfortable curve ball questions. But the moderator also should force you to actually reply to such questions. Instead of replying with the same thing over and over.
Ann Romney looked kind of pissed.
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Agreed. I think the 'WTF has he done' outweighs the 'Romney tax plan'.
Hmm, felt like Romney did another good job. It would be sad if he wins.
as Lenin once said "Masses are too dumb to know better" "We will vote for the smooth talker but not the policy"
In all honestly Romney nor Obama will be able to get shit done I don't believe the president has a huge impact on the economy as we make it seem. Obamacare or Dodd Frank being overturned is going be a bitch and most likely it won't, because of congress.
No one realizes that Obama care is similar to what Romney passed as governor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massachusetts_health_care_reform
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act
Yeah, but c'mon. Gun control is dead in the water. NRA has that by the balls and only Republicans vote for that.
Just like foreign affairs. People just don't care. People vote on the economy and some social issues, namely abortion and social programs.
People are selfish little pigs. Maslow, nothing else.
How much you think a Sr Adviser or "spin room" dude makes? How does one land such a gig?
He worked with McCain successfully during the 2008 primaries, but had told him earlier that he wouldn't run a campaign against Obama, so left the McCain campaign after Obama won his party's nomination. I don't think he's involved with Romney.
That's just an example of one of the more successful ones. i'm sure they all do well at that level of the game. like other top PR / Advertising executives handling a major brand..
2008-2012 - oil production rose 10%.
2010-2011 - oil production fell 14%
They BOTH avoid saying the dates, because there is an argument for both sides. Damn, I love politics.
I hope Jeremy doesn't expect to get a job out of Hofstra University. I don't care who's president, if you're dumb enough to go there, you don't deserve a job.
My thoughts:
Townhall debates are by their nature retarded. These voters asked retarded questions and is further proof that most American voters are stupid. The fat college kid who asked the first question was especially pathetic.
Romney started out well but lost momentum throughtout the debate. Obama was aggressive, sharp, and alpha. He took apart Romney's arguments and launched strong counter-attacks.
Romney was good on energy, job creation, and a general indictment of Obama's record. He was weak however on taxes (especially deductibles for middle class Americans), illegal immigration, and Libya. He also kept repeating phrases such as "I know how to get it done" and his "5-point plan." It got really annoying and trite. It seemed like Romney was just reciting laundy lists rather than formulating a coherent narrative of his case.
On Libya, Romney was especially horrendous, and this could hurt him down the road. Whenever you are attacking the current commander-in-chief on foreign policy, you better have your facts straight, with clear strong arguments. Romney picked on a very trivial fact of whether Obama used the word "terror" and why he was at a fundraiser after the benghazi incident. Instead, Romney should have made a general argument for a new foreign policy on the Middle East. The Libya question was a softball, and Romney totally threw away an opportunity. It was embarrassing for him.
Obama wins this one. However, Romney's defeat is not as bad as Obama's loss in the first debate, so overall I think its impact will be a wash or a small net positive for Obama. Either way, the race will remain tight until the election, barring an October surprise or a meltdown by either candidate at the final debate.
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Obama Positive: More confident, proud of his record of the last four years. Whether people like it or not, jobs (maybe not quality) have come back and unemployment has been going down. The psyche of the American consumer has lifted since Obama has taken office.
Obama Negative: Though more confident, more phony. The only reason he was acting passionately was because of the last debate performance. And what really boggled my mind was when he said 'gas prices were low because of the recession in 2008'.... ummmm ok.
Romney Positive: Really hammered home the perception that things would be better under his Presidency. I liked that he seemed to connect with the crowd.
Romney Negative: Didn't give specifics on the tax deductions. Also, was annoying as hell when he kept trying to ignore the moderator. He needs stop trying to worry about being a good 'actor' perse. He opened himself up when he said he cared about 100% of the American population. And then Obama raped him on the closing statement.
Winner: Obama
Obama won by a comfortable margin imo, will probably move polls 2-4 points giving him around a 1.5-2 point lead - still smaller than what he had pre debates. Whoever that posted before about Democrats cringing about his performance - they are probably the weird/hipster/lgbt or environmentalist types who go to schools like Bard and Sarah Lawrence. I was watching it with pretty normal classmates, moderate middle class people and we uniformly felt that Obama did much better stylistically.
Ugh. Once again reaffirming what I've been thinking... this will be the lesser of two evils. It kills me to see the greatest country in the world sink to this level. It's not that Romney should be president, it's that Obama SHOULDN'T.
That's not what's best for the good 'ol US of A.
That's politics. Terrible.
Read through this thread and you get a pretty good idea what the average citizen actually cares about when making a decision on who to vote for.
And this is why we're fucked.
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