Germany needs to Arm itself again

I see very dark clouds ahead for the Eurozone and for Europe itself. Europeans are barbarians who have been fighting each other for thousands of years and this 50 year project and a common currency will not be able to inhibit their inner genetic characteristics.

Germany, as it stands right now, is not prepared for the next big continental war. It should start arming itself heavily. Discuss.

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I could only hope.

I'm going to have to brush up on my German, three years in HS won't cut it when you have to live under the 4th Reich.

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IlliniProgrammerI think the next big war is going to actually be between China and Russia.

Wars are almost always driven by resources and overpopulation. China has people; Russia has resources.

I agree with that very much. Russia always has feared China taking over its sparsely populated eastern lands.

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Why should Germany rearm itself?

First off, the US is the soverign protector of Europe. Any attack from one European nation onto another would result in the US and the rest of Europe backing up the attacked nation.

Second, the Eurozone will be integrated as a fiscal union soon. It is much less expensive for the German's to support a fiscal union (although politically unpopular) than it is to let the Eurozone fall apart. As it stands, one or the other must happen.

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LIBORWhy should Germany rearm itself?

First off, the US is the soverign protector of Europe. Any attack from one European nation onto another would result in the US and the rest of Europe backing up the attacked nation.

Second, the Eurozone will be integrated as a fiscal union soon. It is much less expensive for the German's to support a fiscal union (although politically unpopular) than it is to let the Eurozone fall apart. As it stands, one or the other must happen.

How about arming itself to become the foremost military power once again in Europe. Why are you leaving out that option?

 
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How about arming itself to become the foremost military power once again in Europe. Why are you leaving out that option?

That buildup is gonna be kinda awkward given that we've got a larger military base in Germany than Germany has military right now.

China may own the US, but they can't invade us all that easily. Neither can they invade Europe. There's three large countries that have arable land that China can easily invade:

-Russia -India -Kazachstan.

China wouldn't be dumb enough to start a war with Russia or India, but it might try to pick some land off from Kazachstan. And I think that's how Russia's going to get involved.

 
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Germany has means and the motivation to arm itself. Don't think America wants to tangle itself in European affairs anymore.

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China has already started to invade Europe by buying European bonds ( Spain, Greece, Portugal and Italy ).

China is also strong at acquiring European companies.

I agree with you that there will be a war between Russia and China, but it is much easier for China to invade Europe than Russia.

The Chinese impact gets stronger and bigger. Some European countries could never survive without China in 10 years.

 
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Massiveattack1987China has already started to invade Europe by buying European bonds ( Spain, Greece, Portugal and Italy ).

China is also strong at acquiring European companies.

I agree with you that there will be a war between Russia and China, but it is much easier for China to invade Europe than Russia.

The Chinese impact gets stronger and bigger. Some European countries could never survive without China in 10 years.

You can survive without trinkets, even cars and oil. You can't survive without food. Since China is not a net food exporter, nobody depends on them.

Argentina, Russia, Canada, Australia, the US, and even the UK on the other hand are net grain exporters.

China may have invaded Europe and the US, but without any troops on the ground, all the US and Europe have to do is close the borders.

Trust me, the next war is going to be with one of China's neighbors. I worry a little about India but it seems unlikely since they have nuclear weapons and an Army that fought off a prior Chinese invasion attempt in the early 80s. Much more likely to start with Mongolia or Kazakhstan and then spread to Russia ala WWI.

 
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You can survive without trinkets, even cars and oil. You can't survive without food. Since China is not a net food exporter, nobody depends on them.

Argentina, Russia, Canada, Australia, the US, and even the UK on the other hand are net grain exporters.

China may have invaded Europe and the US, but without any troops on the ground, all the US and Europe have to do is close the borders.

Trust me, the next war is going to be with one of China's neighbors. I worry a little about India but it seems unlikely since they have nuclear weapons and an Army that fought off a prior Chinese invasion attempt in the early 80s. Much more likely to start with Mongolia or Kazakhstan and then spread to Russia ala WWI.

You think way too theoretically. I don´t claim that your proposition is completely wrong, but even if you often convince me with your arguments in other threads, it is just an ideal situation you mentioned about China in this thread.

China is not a net grain exporter, but believe me that China has no problem with food, too. What China needs to export food is only the time. There are thousands of Chinese dishes and there are millions of traditional Chinese ingredients for them. China could easily export them, but Europe is not ready for that because the Chinese tradional culture is not familiarised for Europeans yet. China has exported lots of ingredients to South Korea and Japan since 1995. Look at typical Korean sauces or some vegetables. Onion is exported to South Korea from China and some ingredients for sauces also come from China.

What I really worry about is UK..I see no future for this country.. I would never wonder when Taiwan and Southkorea reach higher GDP than UK in the future.

China could try to invade Taiwan, Vietnam, Tibet, Kazakhstan or maybe Southkorea.

Asian countries, especially Japan, South Korea and China hate each other, so anything can happen.

 

China is gonna invade Vietnam. Obvious, really. They're already posturing to take the south sea oil and land. Just gotta wait for some over zealous general and some stupid mistake on the part of a couple of vietnamese and shit will fly. Or theyll just claim theyre liberating it, like they did w/ Tibet.

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