June 8th reopening
A bit hasty imo. Yes it’s a sequential reopening plan but we haven’t even waited the 2 or so weeks for potential rebound cases from Memorial Day weekend.
I for sure won’t be headed in to the office anytime soon.
Thoughts?
There's no way they can just give you all one week before re-opening. What about those people who are living internationally? They can't just return in a week. Most banks have said they will notify employees a month in advance of when to return...
Claim that you feel uncomfy and see what they say. I'm sure you feel uncomfy based on what you said aobut MDW..
Hasty indeed. Some type of "reopening" is worth trying in stages, but there won't be normal until a vaccine is discovered or there's herd immunity. It's possible that summer weather somewhat dampens the Memorial Day bump in infections, but it's extremely likely cases pickup again in the Fall/Winter.
It's strange seeing people treat the "reopening" as if this is almost over.
I thought that the humid, warm weather hypothesis was debunked? Brazil’s getting hammered right now
Add India, Pakistan and Bangladesh to that list - countries which are experiencing 90F or more in temperature right now
I'm not sure, I've seen mixed information. Maybe a better way to think of it is, does winter make it worse? Winter weather is worse for respiratory illnesses and this coronavirus hasn't seen a full winter season.
I actually disagree with the Memorial Day sentiment. Living in the city, and using my weekends for 5-10 mile walks around various neighborhoods, I've observed many, many people being out and about since at least three weeks ago. In fact, two weeks ago this Saturday was the first time I saw a beyond active 2nd ave bar scene on the UES...people lined up along all of the side walks and being served from the curb side through a window that was opened up. It was beyond large amounts of people, entire side walks were full. That was May 16th...statistically, if all of those people were going to be getting sick and reigniting a new wave, we'd have seen it now. On May 16th, the rolling 7-day average of new cases in Manhattan was 165 - today, it is down to 115. Yesterday was a record setting day for the single greatest amount of people tested in Manhattan with 7,418. They found 133 positives which is less than a 2% positive testing rate. In fact, the positive testing rate for all of New York State is 2.3%. This compares to March 29th when the daily positive testing rate was about 50% for the state.
My point is, the data looks good and that is what they're going by. Given the amount of people that have started going back out in the city we would've started to see negative trends. The only areas I'm personally concerned about are the Bronx, Brooklyn, and Queens - all three of these areas still have elevated levels of positive test rates compared to Manhattan / NYS, but given the data set I'd say these areas trend about a week or so behind. Worth watching though.
Eventually, things will open up enough that there will be a spike in cases. It's worth a try to open, and hopefully things don't spike in June because of beach trips and so forth.
I hope you’re wrong. I don’t think you are (I share the same sentiment) but I’d like to be wrong. Time will tell though.
For sure activity has been picking up but that is with everyone relegated to hanging outdoors. In transmission studies and case reports, the risk of catching Covid is estimated at almost 20x higher for indoors versus outdoors and like 1 in many thousands of cases was traced to contraction outdoors.
Second wave will probably hit once people start taking the subway or sitting inside of offices/ restaurants or maybe even when crowds outdoor grow. A lot of dumb fucks in NYC will for sure misinterpret reopening as the virus being eradicated or some shit. Will be interesting to see how this shakes out
Gave OP a silver banana so now he's at 2020!
That was a short fantasy...he's now 2023...
2026 now!
my office has been open for the past two weeks
Keep in mind that Phase 1 is still relatively limited (construction, manufacturing, wholesale business and curbside retail). Professional services are in Phase 2.
Might as well just stay locked up until cases globally reach zero.
Read the numbers put out by the CDC, unless you're over 65 or have notable underlying health conditions this virus is NOTHING. Trusting the WHO at this point is the same as trusting China, and I'm not saying that to parrot Trump that's just by looking at their behavior throughout this "crisis". Businesses should be open. If you have underlying health conditions or are an old person, you should take proper precautions by wearing a mask or self-quarantining. Forcing the rest of the country to suffer when less than 1% of the people who catch this end up dying (our testing is pathetic and understates the # of people catching by easily a factor of 10x or more) is idiocy of the highest order. If people are going to riot, they should be rioting that the lockdown lasted this long and over 30M people lost their jobs due to being "non-essential" while the https://brrr.money/</a">Fed goes brrrrrr. The https://nypost.com/2020/04/20/explaining-the-link-between-unemployment-…</a">suicides from that and the negative economic slowdown we're going to suffer through for god knows how long will dwarf the number of people who die of this virus.
You mean the same CDC that told the entire US population to not wear face masks, and then did a 180 one month later? And are you actually citing their latest “best estimate” of a 0.4% fatality rate even though covid attributed deaths in NY already account for .3% of the entire state population?
Parrot Fox News much? Monkey shit for you.
NY has about 20k deaths and about 20m people.
How can you be this bad at basic math and work in Fixed Income? I bet you're also in total support of those riots in Minneapolis despite them suddenly throwing this "life-saving" social distancing out the window to instead riot and loot local businesses. This in a city where the precinct in charge already fired all the officers involved in the incident and turned it over to the FBI to run an external investigation. Because "we mad about the police and them not getting publicly executed for abuse of power" is a totally valid reason to throw all civility out the window, ignore the regulations the government has been pushing for the past 3 months, and act like some third world mob destroying the livelihoods of people completely unrelated to the original incident, but I digress. Different topic.
Like Dr. Rahma said, arguably the most overpopulated, filthy, and therefore at risk state in the entire country (more so than CA because of shared public infra) has an effective death rate of .1% from Covid. That's assuming they're being honest with the Covid death attribution, which newsflash, they're not. You could get hit by a bus and if they test you afterward and you've got Covid they'd count it. I know this because my old roommate literally works in a NY hospital and is embarrassed by how loosely they're counting deaths as Covid deaths since the government is only giving more money to hospitals that "need it". They're also counting deaths were people just showed SYMPTOMS (you know, the ones that are identical to the flu which, coincidentally, the season for just ended for) because again, testing is in the US crap. Meanwhile hospitals around the country are at sub 50% capacity because of the moratorium on "non-essential" procedures and are firing workers left and right.
Stop drinking the CNN 24-hour news cycle pandemic coverage koolaid and do your own research like an educated adult. The government was right to react as strongly as it did initially, because we had no idea what we were dealing with. The WHO and China did a fantastic job of making sure the world was completely unprepared. But they've had plenty of data for long enough to know this isn't much scarier than the https://time.com/5610878/2018-2019-flu-season/</a">last flu season minus a vaccine. At this point it's just shamelessly clear that the Federal Government as well as states like California and New York are using it as an excuse to expand their already excessive powers because you should "never let a serious crisis go to waste".
Here's some extra reading material for you when you're ready to take off the dunce cap. https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Death-Counts-by-Sex-Age-…
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demograph…
My bad, did some late night math wrong, but still generally holds. The total number of attributed covid deaths is 0.1% of the state population and 0.2% of the NYC population. Even though it's not the same as the covid mortality rate, it flies in the face of the CDC's latest estimate and suggests a rate that would be much higher. I don't question the data out there is incomplete and lacking, but I find it funny CowardlySEC (and the monkeys that seem to agree with him) are putting so much faith in an organization that has proven to be wholly incompetent through this entire situation.
Lets just assume a good safety margin whereby all 55+ should stay at home, the economy could function very well
Ever since the weather has gotten nice in NYC, I've been seeing flocks of people running around Central Park, and walking around. On memorial day, so many people were having picnics in Washington Square Park, Thompkins Park, Central Park, and very few of those people were wearing masks
I don't think this will be too hasty, although who knows....
I think the protests will cause covid again. Atlanta mayor supposrts my theory as he said protesters sould gte covid test.
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