After what happened in Texas recently, substantial changes need to take to place to make the educational environment safer for kids and teachers. As you may know, I would be in favor of a radical overhaul of the second amendment or programs to buy back firearms. With that said, nothing like that will happen but something practical needs to be done. I am not convinced that a few extra regulations would solve the problem and unfortunately, we may not always be able to rely on the police.
Here is what I would suggest: we should bring back some military from overseas and redeploy them at our schools. Why do we need all of the military personnel outside the the US? It is not our job to keep the world safe, especially when we can't even provide a safe environment within our own borders. I would have to think that a few military personnel carrying ar-15s or similar firearms might make these guys think twice about shooting up a school.
Is this something that both the conservative and liberal people on WSO would support?
I wish we didn’t have to have this discussion, but this is a solid topic regarding school shootings. I’m pro 2nd amendment as it stands, but I still feel uncomfortable in foreign countries (specifically airports) when I see the security with automatic weapons.
There are hundreds of thousands of schools across the country - it would be an expensive program to properly train these soldiers. The typical army soldier is not trained to handle an active shooter situation at a school. Yes, it would be great to have an armed individual who is properly trained watching over the nation’s youth while they attend school, but I don’t think the military should do it.
Regarding cost, the $40 billion we just sent corrupt Ukraine would more than cover it.
I think all schools should have a resource officer or cop on campus. My high school had a cop that everyone enjoyed, and when he retired, we had a new guy. Hardcore cop who had been in a shootout before, and the dude was also massive.
I have a relative who is retired from the military and now serves as an armed guard at a school. He’s highly trained in firearms and has nothing else to do, and he wants to serve his community so it’s a great fit. The problem with civilians doing this protection job is I’m not confident that every school would be able to properly vet the candidates. The last thing we want is to openly invite an armed individual to “protect” the school, and it turns out that person is a psycho who then commits a masa shooting.
I’m a fan of having a cop who is specifically trained to deal with a school schooler stationed at every public elementary, middle, and high school across the country. Not a fan of having military operating in a security aspect like that. Whoever does it needs to be trained
A single cop? 19 cops were at the Texas school.
And all were improperly trained
How can you be pro 2A but also scared of security with weapons in foreign airports? Is that not infinitely less scary than the prospect of some completely random person with a gun anywhere in the US?
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Inching us towards a police state. Many were comfortable with lockdowns, so there will be more to come. Militarizing schools is just getting kids used to it. Read Orwell for a preview of what's next.
The republican party's answer to improve the situation is to do nothing, which is not a solution to this problem. You got any better ideas? At the NRA convention, mass shootings were blamed on everything except guns, which is obviously the main cause of the problem.
More gun control LOL turn off the CNN! We had zero school or mass shootings back in the 50s and 60s when gun laws were almost non-existent. The real question is - why are people getting crazier?
Whatever the answer is to your real question, it’s not as if republicans are trying to address those issues either. Just deflect and shoehorn the debate into somehow blaming the other team, or video games like Ted Cruz did lol
Thanks for the insight on CNN but I do not regularly watch the news. I mostly watch sports. I do not care really care what happened in the 50s and 60s and you not going to improve the situation by living in the past. You have to deal with the current situation. Okay, let's assume that mental health is the issue. Your party is not interested in making sure people have health care. In fact I read on here (I am going to assume it is true), that the state of Texas cut funding for health care. The health care situation in the US is abysmal. With health care, you have 4 options:
1. Get it though your company and by the way, they do not pay for nearly as much as in previous decades
2. Pay for it out of your own pocket. Would you like to take a guess as to what the cost would be for a family of four for a normal policy. Here is a hint: at least $25,000 per year
3. Enroll in a high deductible plan with only catastrophic benefits
4. Be poor and get sub par care with Medicaid.
Why are people getting crazier? It's hardly rocket science... The internet and social media (all forms, not just Instagram/Facebook) are breeding grounds for insanity. I'm in my early 20s, and I think most of my generation is a bit fucked in the head. Thankfully as people have gotten older they normalise and detox from internet culture. However, there are definitely still toxic corners of the internet in which people with no social life are able to develop these frankly insane beliefs. I'm not trying to dig these people and say "hah fucking nerds", not at all. I think it's sad and a systemic issue which has no real cure.
Firearms per capita have consistently gone up since then. Regardless of that, even if you claim that this is a mental health issue, Republicans would never fund anything healthcare related.
I’m no legal expert on military jurisdiction, but aren’t there laws against deploying the military to civilian facilities within the US? Would martial law have to be declared?
That is a good question but I do not have any answer to it.
I believe so. I think the ANG has jurisdiction to be deployed within the US but I’m not super into what laws there are to make that happen. I know they respond to natural disasters.
So you’re not getting 0311s kicking in doors in schools in the US. I’m not even sure how quick you could get a response time. Maybe ANG spread out across the country, but even then that’s a tricky situation for response time and their level of training.
Yeah, it'd have to be martial law and suspension of posse comitatus laws for straight up military deployment in this regard. And for guard units it depends on the state, but pretty sure the governor has to declare a state of emergency in order to deploy them for law enforcement reasons.
Waste of human capital and resources to deploy full-fledged standing army personnel domestically, barring civil unrest.
Just half-ass it and levy some conscripts.
Your idea of banning guns is anti-American but I could definitely get behind leaving all of these foreign countries & intervening as if that's our god-given right and protect our nation's children
A few extra regulations will never solve the problem but by all means, put forth all the gun buybacks you want and I will happily show up to turn my $100 of plastic filament into $1500+.
I otherwise wholly agree with your premise regarding bringing military abroad back to reinforce schools. For example, Israel for a number of years had Muslim terrorists attacking their schools and they addressed it by arming their teachers and stationing IDF soldiers at key entry points (saw it myself when I visited). Guess what stopped shortly thereafter?
I think it would be a wonderful way for soldiers to maintain that sense of duty and purpose, defending the literal future of the country on home soil when they return from abroad. It could hugely help with the depressed veterans issues, support post-discharge employment, and make schools overall considerably safer. It could be a great way for kids to be exposed to a positive role model who elected to serve their country and wants to continue doing so, a little extra patriotism can go a long way. If we could use it as a way to justify massively cutting school administration spending and put that money into security instead I'd be even more supportive. Plus, I'm pretty sure actual soldiers will be faster to act and way less likely to be worthless sack of meat standing around doing nothing during an active shooter situation like the cops in the Uvalde shooting were. 100% agree with you as well that it's not our job to keep other countries safe and that we're better off putting those resources to work here.
10/10 idea that I can get behind and fully support exploring
Obviously, the situation in Israel is very different from what we have in the US, but subliminally, that might have been what inspired this topic. People have raised good points here about our ability to implement something like this in the US. I do not know if it is possible but it might be something our politicians should look into.
Agreement on both counts. Heck I think I'll write this in a proposal and send it to my Senator.
Your kid is magnitudes more likely to die in the car ride to said school or receiving medical treatment. It's statistically non-sensical to remotely worry about it being an issue that will ever effect you directly, the only reason people do is because the media makes them afraid. See also - stories of tainted Halloween candy and "stranger danger".
The egregious behavior of the police in the Texas shooting leads me to believe something else is afoot.
Adding police and more lockdowns miss the far more damaging thing to the beliefs and actions of children. It is the skewed idea of what is right and wrong. What it is being taught in this regard has been a growing problem since the mid 1950s. Our country was founded on core values: 10 commandments, study of God's word. As a result, Americans stood their ground and became examples of what the world wanted to emulate. At the same time, the forces of evil started their movement to start hell on Earth and attack the American system from within (Jacobin movement). They wanted revolution and death for those who believe in moral liberty (converted into Marxism). Marxists started to attack the public school curriculum to twist children's minds away from morality and liberty, away from understanding that the two go hand-in-hand. One of the first things they eliminated is the use of the Bible, which was used universally in the schools. In the name of religious liberty, they began destroying religious liberty. Gradually, they worked on eliminating all messages of true religion from schools and got the leftist Supreme Court to ban school prayers. Then they banned the 10 commandments. Many schools had the 10 commandments inscribed outside and inside the schools, it was a constant reminder of God's commandments for moral living. It was also a reminder of what not upholding the commandments would mean in the afterlife. They removed the commandments from all public buildings. Then evil started to be taught in schools by teachers who graduated from certain colleges, slowly but surely infiltrating the education system to where freedom of religion also means also studying Satanism (not in opposition, but embracing it). Pop culture, drugs, and porn, and violence are being promoted... and children have no moral compass to be guided by.
Before all of this happened there were NEVER mass shootings in schools. As the vile education grew, mass shootings began. Again, we hear these proposals to protect our children, but NOT ONE WORD on restoring the 10 commandments to serve as a guide for impressionable minds to follow.
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