Obama met with democratic goveners recently to discuss ways to bypass congress to progress his agenda.
The man is bent on destroying the nation.
Discuss.
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In regards to what? A specific executive order?
You mean the current obstructionist congress?
So the will of the people is obstructionist?
Hahaha like congress actually represents the will of the people. The reason they're "obstructionist" is because they're bought and sold, at least it's slowing down Obama's ability to destroy this country though.
I love how it was the will of the people in 2010 but not in 2008.
I'm afraid if I say something, Duffmt6 will get mad and start bashing Republicans again.
Not sure what bashing of Republicans you are referring to.
Go ahead, feel free to contribute, just don't be a dipshit.
It doesn't matter what it is for, if he is looking to bypass congress to enact his national agenda is illegal, and autocratic.
Did this come straight from a Glenn Beck monologue?
Where are the sources for the allegations, and hell, might one interpret it differently?
There is an article about it on the hill
Can someone post the article, or make a specific reference, this is very vague.
I think this is what Heister was talking about. http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/212517-democratic-gove…
[quote=RagnarDanneskjold]I think this is what Heister was talking about. http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/212517-democratic-gove…]
Thank you for the link. I didn't find anything in the article particularly alarming, nor was there any indication Obama was circumventing his Constitutional powers. Influencing policy, even if it crosses federal/state jurisdictions, isn't all that uncommon.
In the meantime:
''Union spending for Obama, Democrats could top $400 million in 2012 election''
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/union-spending-for-obama-democra…
What president hasn't or even tried to bypass the congress? Obama is trying to do what the congress are failing to do..
Its early but you can already see that this is going to get good!
I'm not going to bother reading all of the subsequent posts. I'll just say that all of my posts in this thread would be "What ANT said - ditto!"
:)
In a democracy, we get the Republicans and the Democrats we deserve.
Isn't it time for a third party?
//Ross Perot would win this time.
All I had to do after reading that article was view the comments stating that Obama's clearly following "The Third Reich" in his national agenda and that everyone should all watch FOX news. People are so fucking ignorant. I don't see anything out of the ordinary in that article, or anything that is un-constitutional. Just a writer trying to stir up trouble with routine shit.
I guess the will of the people = letting Congress insider trade also, right? They could have won 10% of the entire vote and still be elected, thanks to the US not enacting Run-off voting. This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Obama could get things done if he was more willing to work with Republicans? That isn't "getting things done" at all, especially with the party of "no" who have been shown to vote against Obama's policies even when they were in direct alignment with initiatives put into place by Republicans themselves (tons of times). Can't you see how absurd your party is when half of you are crying out that Obama is, literally, Hitler?
The President has limited powers at best. Congress is the embodiment of representative government. And who fucking cares about congress being able to trade off information. The economy sucks, we are in two wars and there are a myriad of other issues to be dealt with. If the people truly give a shit about that one issue they should do something about it.
Obama has no interest in working with Republicans. He wants to jam his policies through any way he can. Just wait until the Republicans take the Senate. Obama will have to get real creative then.
Oh ye of little faith. Any true scholar of the legislative art form would know that Obama's powers are clearly questionable at best and, even with his choice of underhanded tactics, can still have his will overturned by both the legislative and judicial branches. He won't be able to push an agenda without the involvement of Congress - it's just a fact that requires some basic understanding of the Constitution. His powers are fairly limited, and if he plans to enact serious policy, he will need congressional approval if it requires any capital expenditures. None of his actions will qualify under any emergency powers action (the IEEEA - I forget the acronym - comes to mind) and even if he does try to do a "temporary cum pseudo-full appointment" or create a new czar's office, he will need to get approval from congress lest we have another "Elizabeth Warren" situation on our hands. It's all speculation.
His powers are limited on a national level, however if he convinces enough state governments to adopt policies there is a way he can "nationalize" these policies in the face of simplifaction of the law if it is in the best interest of commerce. It is an obscure part of the commerce clause.
thank god obama is finally being assertive. those republicans were stepping all over him
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