Not as overpriced rent, no cold weather, hotter girls, instead of your competition being elitist old money douchebags, your competition is now uneducated jacked douchebags. Beaches, crazy nightlife, strip clubs, co***ne, scarface, no fuckwad mayor, lower taxes. This could be the best thing to happen to finance since the 90s.
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Kinda on board with this...
Fully on board
Were you on the other forum lifelong NYC and very bearish? I agree 100%
How are you an analyst in equities - I thought it was all automated
Yeah but the overpriced rent, ugly chicks, elitist old money, fuckwad mayor, and high taxes would move there eventually. You get to keep the other stuff though.
Nope the fuckwad mayor and high taxes will stay in the blue states where they belong
Cute, but FL is a swing state.
And in case you didn't know, Wall St leans blue.
Rent maybe, the rest of those I wouldn't agree with, especially the ugly chicks
Miami thots are something else. People talk about Florida Man so much that they forget Florida Woman is also a fucking thing. Only quality chicks in Miami are the tourists.
The day it happens is the day I quit finance. It's something nice to joke/fantasize about, just like owning multiple private jets.
Good thing is the day probably will never come.
I don't think it'll ever come to the point where Miami is the finance capital of the US, but I could see more and more firms having a presence making it a decent place to have a career
I would agree with you.
The core infrastructure for Wall St. is likely to always stay in NYC, but there’s plenty aspects of finance that can easily make the move down and hardly impact anything.
Fun fact - it is in the state constitution to NOT have a state income tax. It would literally require a constitutional amendment, which would be DOA if anyone were to breathe a word of it in our state legislature. That’s highly unlikely, bc FL House and Senate are Republican.
Sign me the fuck up for Wall St in Texas or Miami. New York keeps getting worse and worse. Overpriced as hell, dumbass mayor, outrageous taxes, cold af in winter, trash everywhere, fashion hypebeasts and SJWs a plenty, etc. I personally don’t see the allure of nyc. My job is here, that’s about it. It also has restaurants, nightlife, and some iconic landmarks, but guess what? So does Miami. And at least if I am there I can park my ass on the beach during the weekend. I understand that people don’t like change, but this is one I am 100% behind
You sound retarded.
If Miami becomes the next finance capital of the US/world, what makes you think that Miami won't turn into the next NYC? And then NYC would be the new Miami.
Look at Phoenix. Used to be red as blood. Then companies started moving operations/employees to the area several years ago (who brought their blue mentality with them) and now taxes have started to go up. That's just the start.
Well even if that does happen, I don’t really care because Florida is currently a swing state that has a favorable tax code for high earners. Policies like that take time to change so living there would be beneficial from a financial standpoint for a while anyway. I personally like warm weather, and Miami is warm all year long. If it gets shitty like New York from a social perspective, fuck it - I’ll move again. Doesn’t really bother me
Our education system has produced people that have the intellect of sheep. I cannot understand how one literally flees the blue nightmare only to continue voting blue at the local level.
muh social justice !
You’re saying our education system produces people with the intellect of sheep, but say in your next sentence that you don’t understand how one flees a blue nightmare only to continue voting blue at the local level. The characteristics you are speaking of as a “blue nightmare” is a “city nightmare.” High taxes, a crazy cost of living, higher crime rate... those are traits of a city. Tell me a developed country in which its most urban areas with the most activity and businesses has a lower tax rate compared with less urban ones.
And with your logic, wouldn’t you have to admit that these “blue nightmares” are what created some of the most wealthy cities in the world that was the birthplace of so much activity that fuels innovation and technological advancement and the best careers? It’s no wonder so many young people usually dream to move to these big blue cities, which is why housing is so expensive.
Don't mean to seem like I’m pouncing on ya. I’m just tired of the “cities suck because of those Democrats” talking points, which are conveniently always cities and not looking at states. Look at the most red states. You think those are paradises?
i mean compare red states to blue states economically at this moment... lol... this trend of hypocritical, tyrannical politicians exploiting covid has been pretty one sided
and it is an objective fact that most major cities have been under basically absolute one party rule for decades... state governments tend to have somewhat of a broader mix / makeup, which probably could lead to less corruption? (like compare the makeup of a city council of a blue city to the state legislature makeup of a red state... i'd guess that there's a lot more diversity of thought within the state level government than the city level)
plus some of the most important issues (such as education) are governed at the local, city level so i don't know what you're even getting at? if dems actually cared about poor inner city black kids, it is certainly within their power to improve public schools... instead you've got deblasio talking about lowering the standards for entry into the competitive / good nyc public schools and actively fighting against charter schools lol
"High taxes, a crazy cost of living, higher crime rate... those are traits of a city." not always true though probably more true than not, but why are you seemingly accepting this as ok?? it should not be lmao like even DC / NYC / SF were all once affordable to live in
it's almost like people are brainwashed to think a certain way and vote a certain way and we're not even allowed to question why NYC and other cities are so poorly run, let alone expect better
Again... are blue states hit harder by Covid because they have a higher population and more urban areas or because they’re blue? And I completely disagree with Democrats “exploiting Covid.” The USA responded pretty terrible all together, but at least Democrats are trying to stem the issue while some Republicans still think wearing a mask and social distancing shouldn’t be a thing.
True, most major cities have been under a Democratic rule for decades. But why when talking about blue nightmares, you mention NYC and probably think SF, but you don’t mention blue cities such as Boston, Austin, San Diego, San Jose, Ann Arbor, Denver, Portland (from both Maine and Oregon), Madison, and so on? If blue leadership would ultimately lead to failure, why aren’t those places doing terribly poorly?
Places like West Virginia and Oklahoma and Mississippi are OVERWHELMINGLY Republican... but those states, I would say, are far from successful. There are very minimal Democrats represented. So I’m saying if you’re arguing Democratic rule is what leads to downfalls, why are heavily Republican places doing terribly?
A bit late to the party but want to say a few things
1. The big cities you mention did not become successful due to recent policies by democrats. NYC, PHI, CHI, SF, DC, Boston have been successful cities for hundreds of years and had some attribute (railroads , gold, port , etc) that led to those cities being extremely wealthy. In fact, politicians literally had access to great capital and resources yet those cities are in fact turning into nightmares. Meanwhile you have cities like SLC , Dallas, Austin, CLT that have seen rapid amounts of capital inflow in recent years. Despite starting out later and weaker, favorable policies towards businesses has led to growth of these cities.
2. The platform of the Dem party is higher taxes (wealth redistribution), increased regulation, higher support for offshoring/immigration, more lax on crime (equality!).So your argument that it is due to the bureaucracy of a certain state is partly true, those inefficiencies are in part due to the very platform of the party itself.
3. Oklahoma is not a “failure.” OKC and Tulsa are both metro areas with a solid economy. Bringing up WV is like me trying to frame liberal states using Maine. It’s wildly inaccurate. Mississippi is smack dab in the middle of the South which was for a long time an agrarian society that unfortunately used slaves. The states that border the areas of generational wealth or are close are the ones that are achieving success first. Florida is an exception due to its large size and tourism industry.
4. What I’m saying is that people are fleeing conditions created by policies that derive from the platform of the Democratic Party and go to a state with favorable conditions derived from the platform of the Republican Party, only to continue voting Dem in local elections which makes no sense (note this doesn’t include national level elections).
I am a NY native and agree with you. NYC lost its glory when all the Cali cry babies moved here in droves. I worked from home in Miami for 3 months and it was amazing. Great to hit the beach at night after work and just have a nice cigar and a drink. It was very relaxing and kept me sane for sure. I don’t think it will be a whole move where WS will be headquartered in Miami but I can see a lot of secondary offices opening up for staff who want that preference. Moelis was said to be considering offices in low tax jurisdictions. I have also heard from friends that their boutiques are thinking of opening offices in Miami due to staff demands. Realistically Miami is a great location for young bankers with money to spend. I get the worry about taxes rising due to all the dems moving there but as someone mentioned State income tax is part of the constitution so it’s not easily changed. Also don’t forget there are plenty of ppl with money in Miami already that you can call elitists from outside the US.
There is a difference between working in NYC and living in NYC. Some people like to live in the city but many people choose to live in the burbs near the city. I have never lived in Manhattan but I have worked there. Prior to the pandemic, the main reason I would not want to live there is the density of the population. Rush hour in NYC is a crazy experience. Getting from the 50s to Penn at rush hour is just not something I would want to do on a regular basis.
Miami has its positives but one issue is that the school system is not very good and this will make a lot of people hesitant to move there.
Just do what all wealthy do and buy a better one, see: private schools, medicine, neighborhood, etc.
Doing Wall Street in Texas right now and let me tell you, I would not trade for NYC winters... it was 75 today
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Blah blah blah all I hear is a bunch of anecdotal evidence from your one shitty spring break trip in college. You can stay in nyc and enjoy freezing your balls off on the subway while I’m chillin on ocean ave drinking margarYEETas in the sun
my entire perception of Miami is from movies and things I've seen online. It being conservative makes it seem even more appealing to me now. regarding the intelligence of the people there, all I know is the Joe Rogan joke of "if you want to lose money, open a book store in Miami FL"
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Lol this is cap. I worked in IB in SoFlo. What you said about traffic is absolutely true but that’s assuming you don’t just find an apartment near your office and live within walking distance. Driving on the weekends to do stuff isn’t fun but is bearable.
This bullshit about girls NOT being promiscuous down there is hilarious, though. Have you ever been to Miami? Same with real estate - a quick Zillow scrub will prove that you can get a sick apartment from $2K-$3K.
Miami is literally a target for hoes lmao. UM is a top target for producing thots
Could not agree more. Miami is literally thot central. Things are concentrated so you can live somewhere with things to do and not have to drive a ton, but getting from Brickell to SoBe or Wynnwood or Key Biscayne is a drive. This dude was there once for a week and is going to try and provide serious commentary lmao. Could not be more wrong. There are literally resorts with residences that you can live in for under 3k. Yes a condo on the beach with numerous bars, pools, gyms, spas, etc IN YOUR BUILDING.
Sorry for the ignorance, but what is the IBD scene like down there. Which firms/groups are decent. Don’t care about league tables and stuff, just overall life etc
I went to U Miami for undergrad. The perfect word to describe Miami is transient. The type of person you would be socializing with in Miami is different than most people you've ever met. It's almost uncomfortable, like a lights on no one is home (non-self aware) type-demeanor. It's a really weird, surface level place and I would not want to raise a family there.
can you give an example? I find that interesting. If I moved to Miami it would probably be a 3-5 year thing
Do you not know what Miami is known for? Shallow city with very few motivated people that care about being successful, wealthy latinos that do not like non latino people and everyone cruises with a lack of intensity to get shit done. The whole city just parties and lives in a disconnected bubble from the rest of the country.
A majority of the people I conversed with were just a little ..off. Like a couple of screws loose or their brains were not fully functioning. I don't mean that they were stupid, just eyes glassed over like in the movie Get Out. People would also happily sign off on destroying somebody else's life it it meant enriching their own by 0.0001% more. The city is morally bankrupt and I was routinely appalled at the things I saw.
More transient than NY?
Yeah, in New York you can find so many more places to just "get away" from it all if you really want to, if that makes sense. You cant escape "it" in Miami. Also EDM is very popular so if you're not into that scene, it can get annoying when you're out.
I've lived the majority of my life in Miami, am Hispanic, lived here from 10 to 22. Typically disagree with yankees because they think they know it all since they came down for a weekend for their 'buddy's birthday', but the reality is the following:
1. Most shallow women on earth, don't even try to establish a relationship; 80% of the downtown women have more bodies on them than a moratorium.
2. Most of you guys don't speak Spanish so that will be a big struggle to get around, if you try to get around; I'm assuming most of you guys will just hang around Brickell and the general business-y areas, wherein English will do you just fine.
P.S. ignore ANY comment from anyone who went to UM trying to tell you about the city, they'll give you the most sheltered view on the planet; in other words, Miami is NOT Coconut Grove, Brickell and Miami Beach, it is much more than that. The rich kid New Jersey view is negatively warped and will make the city look much better than it truly is, I mean this seriously, Marissa who spent her 4 years at UM moving from SoulCycle to Komodo to Starbucks and back to SoulCycle has no idea what they are talking about when they say Miami is quirky and awesome(!)
3. Traffic is infernal; highly suggest you live close to where you work if you wanna not have a car. But be warned you WILL have to get a car. It is practically IMPOSSIBLE to be in Miami and NOT have a car.
4. That being said, car game is crazy. A Maserati gets no looks (in before some guy tells me that Maserati's are shit cars; yes, they are, but they are still expensive)
5. Socially speaking, as long as you make over $100k you're a 8+ to the girls, it is the most superficial city in the South but what will you do?
Let me know if you need any more info, I'll happily divulge, hopefully someone can vouch for me.
Oh my god this is 1000% true^^. Currently an undergrad at U Miami. First 1-2 years in Miami is an absolute shocker, the nightlife/clubs/women/money/beaches/etc. blew me outta my socks, especially having gone to a rural HS in the South. It's definitely fun no doubt, but after a while you start to realize how shallow and fake people can be. Mark Hanna from WOWS says it best.... It's all just a Fugazi.
A lot of people on this website suck off Miami because of what they see on social media. To no fault of their own. But beyond the big booty Instagram filters on South Beach and Snapchats of 77 degree weather, a lot of people down here are very superficial. Those "hot" girls' only personality trait is their IG follower count. If you don't speak Spanish you're seen as a gringo foreigner, and can get treated very condescendingly. Your "wealth" is just a droplet in the sea of rappers, influencers, and entrepreneurs, and there's always an exotic R8 or Benz SLS next to you at the traffic light making you look like a twat in your 5-series. Sure there's good nightlife, but for every one memorable night you'll have 5-10 nights of overcrowded venues and overpriced $25 shots and $35 vodka sodas. Not really the best place to save for long-term financial success, and focus on yourself, when there's all this external noise.
TL;DR can be a fun city for two or three years in your 20s, your IG/Snap followers will for sure envy you. But if you enjoy intellectual and deep conversations, or have a wholesome lifestyle, or are a bit introverted, or you don't worship social media..... You might have a tough time enjoying it here
$35 for a vodka soda.....
I currently live in Miami, but grew up elsewhere. This is all really accurate.
The biggest shock was just how big a challenge it can be if you don't speak Spanish. I'd say the vast majority of locals do not speak English as their primary language, and many don't even know it.
Traffic is horrific, highly recommend living close to where you work.
Being by the water is great, but find a hobby. Kiteboarding, fishing, golfing, etc. Clubbing will get old.
For those that say it's a city for your 20's - there are some nice, actual neighborhoods to settle down. Pinecrest, Gables & Key Biscayne are where the majority of older people at my firm live. Also a few people are out on the beach (north).
Wait, Marissa got out in only 4 years at UM? She's smarter than most! :)
Dude YES. This had to be said hahaha
I'm a South Asian guy, and I was at Miami intl one time at a restaurant and the staff just spoke to me in Spanish first.
Several years later I once confused a Mexican guy as being South Asian, so the universe is balanced
Agreed with OP except the “uneducated jacked hispanic douchebag” part. Sounds personal lol.
some Cuban dude definitely fucked his girl lmfao
Hahaha I was thinking the same thing lmao
I was just making a joke about what I think the stereotype of a Miami douchebag is, as I did with the NYC elitist old money douchebag. Nothing personal
Gringo pendejo tiene miedo del hombre latino
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Ha nice op, but weren’t some banks talking about south Florida metro area in general? If so you’d need to evaluate area from palm beach to Miami.
you do realize that if magically, Wall Street / finance moved to Miami in droves that Miami would effectively transform in to NYC in terms of money, high rents, etc. Crime in Miami isn't better than NY. Also, its not like FL has nice weather, warm sure, but its certainly not good weather.
This is so true. Look at LA/Cali over 20-30 years ago versus today.
I just hope the people moving down here don't forget why they moved down here.
Lived in Miami my whole life. 22 and heading to an EB for FT. Imo Miami is a shithole and I would not want to live here. I have done everything you can do here and will tell you that everyone is on point about the people here, it is very superficial, very ignorant (due to huge hispanic population, fyi I'm hispanic) and not the place you would want to live in long term. Anyone with half a brain cell that grew up here wants to move out somewhere else lol. Weather here sucks. It's hot and humid YEAR-ROUND. Not dry heat, that heat that will feel like it's sticking to your skin and leave you with swamp ass every time you leave your house lol. I would be all for a move to Texas if shit really hit the fan for NY but would not see myself moving back here to Miami.
I think people here see Miami as a fun place to live, and it probably is for a short period of time. When I was in Miami, I stayed at an upscale hotel and everyone was drinking alcohol in the pool. I know you mentioned being Hispanic but I am sure there are other reasons the population in Miami might be ignorant. I was in Miami a couple of years ago in September and wow the weather was rough. Must be a great place to be in the winter, though.
Yeah for a short amount of time as in a few months max. Like a vacation essentially lol. This city grows old fast. It just doesn't compare to a city like NY which is packed with so much culture and history imo
Actually living in a city vs. going to a city for a one-weekend vacation with your homies in Sigma Apple Pie over spring break makes a huuuuge difference.
Walk along South Beach or go stumble into an nightclub on Ocean Drive. Ask everyone where they're from. They're all tourists, and that's not a coincidence lmao
“Sigma Apple Pie”... we found the geed
'found the geed'
dude holy fuck grow up lmfao
Do you know any bankers at your firms that are based in Florida or considering?
I’d tend to think that if banks have some minimum critical mass of people in Florida (say 10 bankers? 20?) it makes sense for them to rent some office space in Brickell and have people travel to NYC as needed. Otherwise, if it’s just 2-3 senior bankers on their way out living in Florida for tax reasons I don’t think it will work.
Doesn't Miami have a higher violent crime rate than NYC? Not sure but definitely thought so.
Has anyone that is advocating for this ever spent time there? It’s fucking terrible. I can attest the comments from people who grew up there are accurate.
I would hate to have to hang around so many uneducated and superficial people. I'm trying to find a wife, and I doubt I'll find many Ivy League-hailing girls down there.
Ask me how I know
I haven't lived in Miami, so maybe it's "grass is greener", but I find east coast obsession with ivy and employer brands just as superficial but less interesting. i.e. much more fun for me to see a good looking person than hear about one's degree collection.
Dude Ivy League hoes are just New England chicks with no ass, the fuck are you into that shit
I’m sold on all of the above except the girls. As someone famous once said on twitter, “genetic branch dead, grandfather cry”
What does "genetic branch dead, grandfather cry" mean?
Everyone here is talking about Miami - in reality, the moves are being made to south Florida as a whole, which includes a more then Miami city limits. Fort Lauderdale, the Palm Beaches, etc. I lived in Fort Lauderdale and can tell you it’s a whole different ball game than Miami beach.
There are plenty of nice suburbs a little inland within driving distance of city centers. There are great private schools that are straight feeders into Ivies. Startup culture is taking root in areas like Wynwood and spreading rapidly (calling it now, Little Haiti will gentrified af this decade), I wouldn’t be surprised to see more tech moving here given the stream we’re seeing coming of Cali and Florida’s low tax environment.
Really hoping we’ll see more and more finance head down there. I don’t think IB is headed there anytime soon, but we’re seeing buyside firms and some bank divisions heading there, and why not? NY, same as Cali, has blue leaders who don’t give a damn about providing a good environment for business and mid/upper class people.
Maybe not middle class people but NY's leaders certainly take good care of their upper class ones lol.
Love how all the people who commented to praise this have the most fratty misogynistic usernames
"QuetheQuants" alright nerd
>fratty
>misogynistic
she's not gonna fuck you dude
I hope she sees this, bro.
Definition of a "Pick me" guy
simp.
Yeah this dude's never going to and never will get a hot broad.
It's all fun and games until one direct hit from a Cat 4/Cat 5 Hurricane. People have short memories. Ask anyone who lived in South Miami in August 1992 what Hurricane Andrew was like.
Except you'd end up with overpriced rent and old money douchebags in about 3 years as the market adjusts. The weather is better. The women certainly aren't hotter. So really all you're doing is moving Wall Street from the cultural capital of the country in order to get a nicer winter and a more hellish summer. Not sure how much time you've spent in Miami in August, but if you think New York is hot and humid you've got another thing coming.
women have gotta be hotter. and beaches
Why do they "have" to be hotter? What possible reason could you have to think that? New York is a center of fashion and art and theater and (surprisingly) film - all the kinds of things that draw beautiful people to a location. Miami has... what?
And I'll take the beaches in the Hamptons over the beaches in Miami, any day.
If Wall Street is truly going to beef up its FL presence, I think Tampa is a better option. Sure it's a lot smaller but its growing rapidly (Water Street project). Rent is way cheaper than Miami too. Weather is better in the sense that it cools down to a degree in the winter. Better area for 20 and 30 year olds as compared to Jacksonville, West Palm and Orlando. Also don't have to speak Spanish which is nice.
Let's just get weird with it and move all banks to New Orleans.
Greenville South Carolina is on the come-up I've heard
Actually though...
Jville and Orlando are uninhabitable.
worked my whole life to get out of Jacksonville... it's a Tier 3 city, which means it's better than 90% of places in the USA, but can't even breath in the same room as NYC Miami etc
Feels more like what's gonna happen is similar to when a bunch of buyside firms moved to Greenwich/Fairfield(also for taxes at the time). The fact is that, we can say whatever we want about prestige or pay or whatever, but the finance industry revolves around the bulge bracket banks and the exchanges. Every trade - whether it's a pork belly future or the takeover offer for a F100 company goes through the banks. JPM is currently rebuilding in NYC, GS just finished their building a few years back, Barclays owns the old Lehman building (actually was a line item in the bankruptcy), I THINK MS owns their building, npt to mention all the servers and, more importantly, the internet cabling for the various exchanges, etc, etc.
Basically, we're gonna see some "large" asset managers (as in AUM, employees rarely above 1000) decamp to suburban offices outside Miami or even in Miami, but the finance industry will stay. There's too much infrastructure here to pack it all up and move. It also feels like they are trying to use the Robert Kraft strategy of threatening to move and then exacting concessions (and then getting handjobs in FL).
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Cool! Hope everything works out for you. Miami can be a land of opportunity if you deem it.
I just don’t see the appeal. Miami seems nice to visit but I could never live there long-term.
Lol wouldn't that be funny.
Austin is already the new Sillicon Valley.
Miami is going to be the new NYC?
I love cocaine and simping.
The main upside would be I could get on here and see the threads about you all losing interns to giant boa constrictors and alligators. This would add a new dynamic to the experience.
Interns blowing their prorated 85k salary in one weekend simping for some influencers
Surprised no one has brought up flooding yet. Miami is racing against sea level rise.
It's not like New York is built on stilts... Any coastal city is going to be in trouble.
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