Biden2020. He easily put to bed his stance on the radical left, while Trump left that door wide open for the radical right wing, which includes white supremacists. There can be no equivocation where the two stand on representing America. We can cancel debate 2 and just wait until Nov 3rd. We know who's who and where people stand in this country.
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Agreed. He said law and order WITH JUSTICE. You can clearly tell he is center-left vs radical left.
Agree with you all. I'm genuinely confused why anyone would support Trump at this point, but I would be interested to hear different perspectives and step outside of my bubble. We need more of that
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"I am the party" is a nice soundbite, but it doesn't reflect the reality of how the US is actually ruled. The legislature has less power than most people think, and bureaucracies have far more. The executive appoints the top bureacrats, who bring in their own teams, who in turn have their own teams...etc. Biden will not be micromanaging them. No president could, especially if they were the oldest president in American history.
Since Biden is a Democrat, his administration will draw in a wave of Democrat party members to fill the huge number of slots that will need to be filled. Large numbers of them will certainly be animated by the ideas that are now common on the left, and that will be reflected in the decisions they make. Biden may be ambivalent about Critical Race Theory (for example), but the person three levels down from him won't be. And that person will have a lot of power to implement policy based on it.
This is true of Trump as well. Despite his bombastic rhetoric, his administration has governed more like a conventional Republican administration than many people predicted. By necessity he staffed his adminstration with Republicans, and conventional right-wing policy was the inevitable result.
The practical reality is that when you vote for a president of a particular party, you're voting to enable the views that are widespread in the elite class of that party.
So yeah I'm gonna go ahead and say.....taxes?
They're all the same. I think people like to keep as much of their income as possible which makes them indifferent as to who they see on TV.
Because anyone in their right mind knows that it’s easy to get on stage and spew liezzzzzz. Come on man, shut up with this nonsense.
I am the senate
He probably said it for this reason to win the memers.
Really? Sounded a little authoritarian foreshadowy but maybe that's just me.
That's cause you're a cuck
I'm a fan of Biden's behavior in the debate. Trump completely ignores all rules of decorum or even strict procedures. Everyone else limits themselves to whatever those rules are and Trump takes advantage of people who respect the rules. I'm happy Biden took the chains off and came out swinging. It's a debate, and Trump's conduct has been setting the tone in them since 2016. Finally someone stepped out on that ledge and didn't let him get away with it.
Sounds like a classic China move to me.
For me, character is an important part of being a leader. Whether you like his policies or not, Obama treated people with respect, was respected by world leaders and showed an appreciation for our democracy. The current POTUS does not seem to respect people unless you have flattered him or you have something of value to offer him in the near term. He takes a transactional approach to the being POTUS.
Lol at the meme.
Let's try to dig up Trump's own authoritarian moments. Right there are just too many that I can't even pick.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-trump-china/trump-praises-chinese-president-extending-tenure-for-life-idUSKCN1GG015
Never said he didn't have any of his own, I just thought the parallels with "I am the Democratic Party/Senate" were too juicy to pass up. I ripped on Trump just as much if not more so than I did Biden based on last night's performance in the other thread, the guy acted like an triggered wookie the entire time and wouldn't shut the fuck up. The whole thing was a waste of 90 minutes that I'll never get back. Hopefully the later debates will be slightly better but I won't hold my breath. Definitely feel worse about what I'm going to be doing in that booth but my overall stance still hasn't changed.
Single greatest line in the debate, loved it
Would've been better if he said "I am the [goddamn] party"
Too bad the moron would shut the country down again.
Once again... I don't understand what people are thinking when they post shit like this. It's like you heard the debate, but you didn't actually listen.
I didn’t hear anything from Biden refuting that when Trump brought it up multiple times. Also, he’s said multiple times on other instances that he would.
My favorite moment was when Trump said "Biden would not have shut down the country and caused more deaths than he did". And 10 minutes later Trump said "Biden would have kept the country shut down longer than he did".
I mean WTF? You gotta choose one. This ain't quantum physics where you can shut down a country and not shut it down at the same time.
My favorite part was the one time in the debate where Trump was cornered into actually speaking directly to Americans (as oppose to deflecting, speaking in hyperbole and self-promoting) when asked to condemn white supremacy, said "Sure, I'm willing to do that", pressed to "do it... say it...", before fumbling over words and spewing the most heinous shit he possibly could.
Schrodinger's coronavirus policies. In all seriousness, I think Trump was pretty damn smart. People like us hear the debate and think that it is completely nonsensical and full of things that simply make 0 sense. However, his voting base don't really listen like that. They hear soundbites associated with words. "Mail in ballots: Fraud", "Domestic terrorism: ANTIFA", "Joe Biden: Sleepy" or whatever associations you want. It's pretty smart imo. He knows (or his team that coached him knows) who he is catering to. That's the whole, "Stand by" statement. He needs that back pocket card in case he loses the election, he can call fraud and do everything he can to retain power.
On another note, I'm pretty damn worried about this country.
I hear what you are saying and agree with it to some extent. There are plenty of adjectives I would use to describe the POTUS but smart would not be one of them.
Wasn’t he talking about shutting down the borders with China for the first point, and then talking about the lockdown of US businesses for the second.
Maybe. But he never specified the words that it sounded like Trump was just trying to contradict everything Biden was saying and just flat out lie about Biden's policies. Considering that all Trump tried to do was to say "Biden would've been worse in everything", throughout the entire night, I'm more inclined to believe that Trump just contradicted himself.
He does it all the time and gets away with it.
Biden is center left fam. Thats why I've rolled with him from the start. He is a smart dude with good, realistic policies that will surround himself with other good people.
Seriously. You'd be hard pressed to find more than handful of Democrats in national office who are more liberal than center left. There is this sense that we have to treat any two sides exactly equivalently, so the fact that the GOP has moved extremely far to the right dictates that we also now move "the center." The left/right spectrum of politics has its problems, and is vague enough, but it's not totally subjective. Extremist conservatives are proponents of things like rape, because... I don't even know why, but these people get elected. You find nothing even remotely that bad on the extreme left.
Literally what the hell are you talking about when you say extreme conservatives are fans of rape...
Biden isn't my pick. I'm a YangGang guy, then rooted for Bloomberg after Yang dropped out. An interesting thing is American politics are actually very right compared to a lot of other developed nations. But my vote is for Biden nonetheless, I truly fear Trump.
So I actually did root for Bloomberg during his short time as a candidate because he seemed like a slightly better Biden and was from a town like really close to where I grew up lol so regional pride was a bit of a factor. I wasn't in YangGang but he undeniably fucks
Not gonna lie, I used to think Yang was just an idealist. But after actually looking into his tax policies and basic income (which essentially acts like Negative Income Tax I desperately want), I realized I would've supported Yang (at least on the tax part). VATs on luxury goods are also a good idea.
But his reasoning that technological advancement getting rid of jobs as a reason for UBI was just bogus. Perhaps he said that because that's how he'd get people to support it.
Man I'm pretty indifferent to politics...but...Biden...smart? You genuinely believe he is a smart guy? He graduated at the bottom of his class at Syracuse law.
At least he was likely accepted into schools on merit.
I absolutely believe he is smart. Just because trump and many people on WSO shame non-targets, doesn't mean its true. Who cares about his academics, like honestly. He has a ton of experience, and that is what shapes him IMO.
I'm voting for Harris...I..I mean riding with with Biden!
Extremely scared of the literal Nazis aka the Proud Boys and the call out by Drumphf to stand by...you know, the Proud Boys leader, Enrique Tarrio is literally the whitest and most racist person on the planet - practically an exact replica of Joseph Goebbels himself...truly fear for our country's future
Very glad at the responses here - I mean I'm sure most of us are pro-business / lower regulation but at the end of the day stability is the most important. Honestly voting Biden now means we accept center-left ideologies; him losing is more dangerous because the left-wing will push even harder for a socialist candidate next cycle.
Give me 4-8 years of Biden and then a cycle with a sane Republican as POTUS.
This x100.
People forget that Trump is the gasoline on fire that is the Radical Left. It's an action, reaction thing.
Why is that so difficult to see?
You summed up my ideas perfectly. Biden is a bit farther left than I would prefer, but he has some good ideas. I think both parties will be in a much better position in 2024 should he win
An empty, weak slogan by an empty, weak candidate.
Then again, Trump's campaign is equally low energy and Biden isn't half as toxic as Hitlary, might be enough. It's hilarious how Trump is still described as populist when his first term wasn't really far from standard Republican econ. He's been proved right on China too. However, in 2016 he denounced an unfair trade status quo, unnecessarily lax immigration, stupid wars and inefficient technocracy, a lot of which resonated with the Midwest working class.
Since then, he let Kushner convince him that those voters are in the bag (they are not, the only reason Biden is the candidate is that he can get the back) and if Trump could win a higher share of the black vote, then he'd get a landslide. Bold strategy, in a way needed from a long time, but if it fails, like it failed in the midterms, then there will be only tears.
Biden is irrelevant and worthless on all fronts, but woke terror is a threat to humanity. Sadly, few are paying attention. Might as well learn Mandarin and toast to the Chinese century. The West suicide is almost complete.
My guy you don't even live in the US. You don't know shit about the Midwest (I lived there for 4 years). And you don't know shit about the actual problems in this country.
Trump talks a big game but guy barely understands what even the "woke" beliefs are. He isn't doing jack.
You constantly call people out for having TDS, but it looks like you got yourself a case of BDS.
I'd refrain from comments like this if I were you.
First line: ahahahaha. Say, for instance, that I work with agricultural commodities. Do you really think I have no contact whatsoever with the US Midwest? That's for your assumptions without knowing anything about the person you are talking to.
Second line: Agreed.
Third: wut
Fourth: freedom of speech. Now walk. Garbage rebuttal.
Ciao my friend. How is Belt and Road working for Italy so far?
Kinda like much of the stuff from China, not well.
Only idiots could think it's a good idea to get closer to country after they infected the world. Imagine being that stupid.
I really don't give a shit about politics, but...I will say that it was cute when Biden remembered his soundbites and kind of blurted them out. He had a few lightbulb moments which are very scarce for him typically. The modafinil/addy combo they have him on worked well.
Biden is a fucking retard lol. Dude can’t even say a sentence without st st st stuttering. You all are sucked in by the liberal media way too hard. Trump 2020
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