Women in the workplace, are all men gay?
title says it all but as a woman pretty early in the career (analyst), have witnessed the brash aversions of fellow co workers in the workplace solely on the grounds of my gender.
if yll hate us so much (no, im not talking about the woke retards, DEI beckie’s, SJWs, dumb insta/tiktok addicts/essentially the ones with their whole personality based on social media) just normal women interested in the work, why even bother hiring or advocating for DEI?
i don’t understand this, assuming the women are not deranged lefties - do yll still treat them like the other analysts? Anecdotally, I’ve been scrutinized, berated and sidelined just solely based on my gender or maybe bc i don’t like golf or beer.
it makes me wonder not just in IB but life in general, all men want is to impress other men. this is achevied either through materialistic acquisitions- cars, watches, sports or hot trophy wives not because they truly want to impress other women or themselves but feel the admiration from their bros. doesn’t that just make all of yll gay af? Men don’t want to read or watch anything female centric, don’t take women’s opinions seriously or any female specific issues whereas it’s the opposite with women.
thoughts from seniors in the industry?
PS- pls ignore any typos/errors. working from a broken phone and this god awful UI which deleted my post for the 3rd time.
See, this fucking post is exactly why nobody takes women seriously
i'm sure this post is why misogyny has permeated for centuries yes
Are you missing vitamin D or did you forget to take your meds today?
We're not gay. We're just tired of all the b1tching and nagging (like in this post).
I get enough female energy from my gf at home. I don't need it from a whinny, dumb, wanna-be-man Becky at the office. No thanks.
Also, a lot of you are ugly and have repulsive attitudes.
nagging is having anything to say at all as a woman to you incels lmao. you only tolerate your poor girlfriend at home cause she's fucking you.
All of you are DEI Beckies as you benefit from quotas.
Oh no, are yo sad that people arent catering to your desire?
Real but if you ever find yourself saying “look at Barbie” then you’re probably gay
That's pretty gay, bro.
This is exactly why I no longer give two fucks about women and POC’s.
Imagine being called racist, sexist, domestic terrorists, goofy, dorky, lame, etc. for your entire life.
Not a word from women or minorities about the OPENLY discriminatory practices companies still practice today!
Guess what DEI fools, the party is over and we don’t give a fuck
This comment reads like it was written by sentient erectile dysfunction
This
Are you a real human being
Great argument, ugo!
Yes, all men are gay. Behold:
Women are attracted to men
Being attracted to men is gay
Therefore, women are gay
Men are attracted to women
Being attracted to gay people is gay
Therefore, men are gay
This guy maths!
I'm basically Aristotle
This gay maths
I fixed it for you
That's my Quant!
Based
This is going to get a lot of MS so bracing but here we go - as you can tell by the comments in this section, if this is representative of the industry, most men hate women and do not view them as people - they see them in relation to themselves (potential sex partner or not - which is why so many of them were so quick to call you ugly. You do not have to be beautiful to be treated like a human but they won't get that). The easiest way for you last in this job is to (1) assume that any criticism you get is not because of your gender unless explicitly said so. This might be inaccurate but it is helpful as it makes sure you don't view 90% of your colleagues as your enemies. If somebody actually says something like "You suck because you are a woman", document it. It will be useful when you finally snap and is a great career ending move for the offender. In a client facing industry, if you're stupid enough to say things like this, you deserve to get fired imo. (2) Your colleagues don't have to like you for you to be successful. We women get upset if people don't like us. Give this up. You have to just be correct in your work and polite enough to get by so don't be rude but also don't try to get a compliment. Stop trying to please your co workers, you will feel a massive burden lift off your shoulders. Focus on your work, make a list of your mistakes and stop comparing yourself to others. Objectively strive to do a good job. (3) find people (men or women) with common hobbies - can be ANY sport / hiking / history. Develop a hobby if you don't have one. I would be very surprised if you can't find anyone with common ground to chat with and make life easier.
This industry is biased, men are upset cuz payouts aren't what they used to be and DEI is a nice pocket to blame it all. Guess what guys, your job can't be that high if a "DEI Becky" can survive it and make 200k/year. The easiest test of whether you will do well in your company is to look up and count the number of women MDs. If there aren't any, stop fighting and go somewhere in 2 years where it's easier. There is no point in fighting a losing battle but you can at least try to be happier as long as you have to stay here
Good luck.
The eternal victims aren’t you. We just don’t call you loser enough times. Earn your stripes freeloaders.
In your experience is this comment section indicative of the workplace? Are people really this hung up on perceived differences?
I’m a new grad and haven’t seen people this rude and aggressive, on either side.
Nobody talks like this irl, this is not normal
This is all good advice, the amount of general venom in this comment section and double speak of simultaneously calling all women DEI beckies while denying having any sort of bias in the same sentence is mind boggling. At the end of the day, people are just animals and aren't all coming from a place of humanity when they think. Lotta half-baked adult fetuses in this thread.
TLDR - this guys rtarded
How many white males were passed up for the likes of you and your affirmative action victimhood behavior?
You are LUCKY to not be working at Starbucks because we know that’s the only responsibility you can handle.
but i feel like this goes into more than just misogyny. i think OP is upset no one is admired by her, respects, or really wants anything to do with them. it isn't just misogyny, it's why aren't i liked by the guys. and it's so lame to say that anyone who doesn't give a fuck about her is gay, it's bad to gay people to use being gay disparagingly, and i think it's some weird verbally sadistic form of sexual harassment to assert someone's sexual orientation in response to their not giving a fuck about you.
lmao the comments are killing me LOL.
I do not think men go out of their way to discriminate against women
we don’t f*ck with you b*tches. You not only benefit from gender quotas but also try to snitch on your male peers to ruin their reputation and eliminate competition. You have no honor and integrity; everything is about your emotions and how you feel. The only people who like you are MD Daddies who need you for their DEI KPIs and/or just want to sleep with you.
love the censoring. you’re so tuff bro! Fr*ak yeah!
This post, this thread, everything in it is emblematic of what COVID did to already socially inept people
snitch on what exactly? there will be nothing to snitch on if this guy didn't do whatever it is your referring to.
Men in the workplace, are all women gay?
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Its funny how a lot of women (those like yourself in this case) will think they are automatically shunned because of their gender meanwhile just as many men will be shunned by those very men that you are talking about. Its not a gender thing, its a personality thing. Plus to be fair, there are DEI quotas in place to boost women in IB thus creating an environment of distrust in ability and envy. Not saying its your fault, but shit is what it is.
Nearly all DEI is gender focused and women are prime beneficiaries. It is absolutely their fault as they lobbied for it / used politics for their gain and if they will continue with this robbery then no amount of validation from senior farts will improve the environment. Both parties can go f**k themselves.
I mean your conveyance is extreme, but your rational take is quite factual. But I meant her as an individual. She can go around blaming you and I for a disproportionate amount of perpetrated violence, tf is that going to solve? I and hopefully you have not committed any of that violence that is shown in the stats.
Exactly. Everybody gets chewed out from time to time. Most people don't take it personally, but some do. Unfortunately, just as men are more likely to be violent, women are more likely to take things personally (ask me how I know, lol).
Pro tip to OP: you gotta brush it off and keep it pushing. Unless you work at some backwards firm still stuck in the 80s, I guarantee you 99% of the times you've been "berated" had nothing to do with your gender. Wish you all the best.
This is why we need more glass ceilings…
If all women were still admin eye candy and not allowed in front office jobs I wouldn’t have to waste time replying to posts like this…
Q: Why did God give men cox?
A: So they'd have at least one way to shut a woman up…
Fuck me the gender divide is wild in high finance lmao
What do you expect? My girlfriends brother recently ran recruiting for an Associate role in EU MM PE. 200 Applicants for the role, 5 women. 3 of them got invited. Quotas should be 50/50, as by his words "Fund raising is becoming increasingly difficult as there is more crtical questions on our quotas".
Women are in no way disadvantaged nowadays, but can have qualifications 3 levels below their male peers and still get the role over them. Then, when starting the job, they get investment banking premium. Less hours, better chances on top-bucket and promotions. How would you justify all that? Obviously the men will have these stereotypes and by angry about it all. I got something funny I screenshot before.
Here is your male GS analyst here (Germany):
Here is your average female hire:
Do women actually get less hours? How??
Q. What do you call a woman with an opinion?
A. Wrong!
This one’s for you…
Q: What do you call a woman who can't make sandwiches?
A: Single.
Maybe more practice sandwich making instead of trying to keep up with the boys?
the strongest don't concern themselves with what the weakest do
Just ask yourself how a man would feel in nursing or cosmetology school. IB has more men than women because everything about how the job is set up appeals to men. If you are a woman in IB, you probably have more in common with your male coworker than other girls who work fun laptop jobs like marketing and recruiting. (Also you are probably chopped or a LMTB).
Your other comments about men getting cars and watches for each other reveal a fundamental misunderstanding of the male psyche and value system. Women seem to believe they don’t exist when they’re alone, and apply this to everything men do.
> Guy buys a nice car. Must be gay / flexing / showing off. In reality he wanted to experience driving something special.
> Buys a nice watch. Must be flexing, shallow. In reality he likes the craftsmanship, heritage, and wanted an heirloom to pass down to his son.
> Working out. Must be gay, self obsessed, shallow. In reality he’s getting satisfaction from improving his physical fitness, pushing himself to new heights, crafting a better body.
And grinding at an office job like IB. Yeah everyone is in it for the money, but everyone is also deals obsessed and would be bored in a different environment. Maybe it’s not for you.
What’s LMTB
Low-mid tier becky
As a gay man, yes pretty much. Vast majority of men in finance love their male peers, the competition, the money and the grind more than they will ever love their wives.
That's why the performative male meme is so funny - because no straight man actually gives a shit about feminism or women's issues or 'feminine' music, they just want to get laid.
Speak for yourself, I like clairo and matcha
Everything about this thread is just sad. Society has truly failed young men.
Not society but rich powerful older white men have ensured that younger men fail in general. They love virtue signalling and have facilitated women at the cost of younger men. There is a reason Luigi went after a CEO.
& woman bc why does OP care that much (ik it’s a troll and maybe not even a woman but to even post this..). The gender divide is crazy.
Idk how these people survive irl but the volume of comments means we might have come across some..
No, women are not victims by any means. The whole western civilization has bent over and taken one up the a**e to facilitate them and only for them to sabotage young men. No sympathy. I have 2 sisters and i am aware of what I am talking about.
Sad to see. Took one troll post to really get the keyboards breaking. Why I don't really come back here much.
Stop being weird nutjugger. It’s clear as day you started this account so you, your mom and dad can try to actualize your fantasies of some alpha smacking you all around.
I don’t do weird. I do quick in and out (it’s a race for me and I am shaving off seconds) before I give her my breakfast order and boot her out. Judging by your “chattel” language pretty clear you aren’t local and sorry I don’t do diet poor either so no hand outs from me and take your Villiage laptop back to the Townsquare.
You’re not booting anyone out lil bro 😭🤣
And any time a woman starts with anything like “title says it all but as a woman pretty early…” it means they are also pretty ugly.
If you join IB, expect it to be a man's domain. Enjoy it - I always did. The guys are hilarious and fun. Don't take the stuff they say too seriously.
This whole gender conversation is relevant everywhere in the US...except in an IB office. You wanted to work there, sorry if you didn't know. Now you know. Stay and accept it, or don't stay if it is not fun for you.
They hire women because they have to, and because we are good little obedient hard workers.
I'm aware this might be a troll post but I can make some points that might be useful broadly (and maybe it is not a troll post). For context I'm what is considered senior (2 years from Managing Director based on what I have been told and if I perform; began in IB almost 12 years ago and took one year out) in a sector coverage team.
1) To be totally honest you do not come across as likeable based only on this post. I appreciate it's made from a place of frustration and on an anonymous internet forum where the accepted de-merit is throwing monkey faeces, so probably also not a good reflection of yourself.
2) More importantly and to gave a flavour of a senior perspective on this, it's true that I don't take much of an interest in "women's issues", or in DEI (I have actually never been asked one way or the other actually whether I want to support it). I also am not interested (in a professional environment) in "male issues" (if there is such a thing), or in any of my Analysts' personal lives. Banking is a job and honestly I have friends outside of work, a wife (no kids yet but we hope to try next year), and I sort of prefer to keep the two separate.
What I am incentivised (to be less pretentious, "told") to do is originate (and to a much, much lesser degree, execute) deals and generate fees. For that, I need the support of motivated and capable analysts. I, speaking frankly, don't care about their gender, race, personal interests, age, sexual orientation, whatever.
By the way, what I've found (and I find this quite liberating, as I don't have an interest in golf or whatever) is that my clients don't care about those attributes when it comes to me either.
Strategic clients are more complicated, but at least for PE clients (here I speak about Directors / Principals / Partners; that last group to a lesser degree just because of my own seniority but there are other reasons) they are mostly motivated by originating deals and bringing them to IC themselves. I'd invite anyone working in PE to tell me I'm wrong, but most mid / senior people in PE are motivated to make the jump to Partner, and that means bringing original (not Partner-originated) ideas to IC and getting them executed. That doesn't happen by having a fun time drinking beers at a bar or playing golf. That happens by speaking to smart bankers who can connect dots, remember your ticket size and IC preferences, and bring good, original ideas the rest of the street is not.
I go on this digression to make the point that most people in a professional environment care about meeting their professional goals. You don't, as a banker, actually need to be that good at socialising and caring for clients' personal interests.
And as a senior banker, I can bring those ideas only with the support of capable, smart, thoughtful, diligent, hardworking, motivated Analysts. Race, gender, sexual orientation, level of physical ability, religion, etc., all do not come into it for me. People in other parts of the firm may think otherwise and promote those characteristics but I cannot speak for them.
This post asked for the thoughts of senior bankers, and if you think of my perspective as that, this is it.
The irony is the underlying misogyny in your own header
100% Written by a guy.
This thread gave me Long COVID and I don't even believe in that
Women who are desirable to successful men are desirable such that they do not need to work. Women who somehow find the need to be a wannabe man and work 60-80h/wk are 1) doing so bc they dont have this desirability and need to work to compensate or 2) are infected with a strange mind virus that makes them think they are valued by their work/earnings, which is repulsive, naggy, and annoying to any successful man.
We have work to focus on, and this post really only proves that this type of workplace isnt made for these kinds of women - a good junior will shut up and help me get the job done, rather than uselessly focusing on writing something like op did
This^. Issue is these v*le creatures are enabled by MDs who need them for their DEI KPIs. Somehow they develop this delusion that they are critical to business and their opinion as a junior matters unless off course the MD wants to sleep with them.
this incel fantasy is such a cope. most successful men marry women who are the same. and having a job you need to survive isnt a 'wannabe man'.
It looks a bit like a troll post, but I'll try to answer seriously - I've been in the industry for 7 years, and I've never been treated better or worse because of my gender. All of my colleagues are male, and some of them seem to be a bit misogynistic, but their views never affected the way they treat me at work
Here is why pretty much most women in high finance are DEI Beckies. If you have to go to senior leadership and claim that you deserve to be promoted because there are no female VPs or that you are the only female in the team then I am sorry you are asking for handouts. I have never come across a competent man in finance who claims they deserve to be promoted because we don’t have any Black or Asian VPs. They always point to their performance and never to their skin color.
Hahahaha
not a woman but yes, most young guys are gay as fuck
has nothing to do with sexuality, they're just conformists and that's gay
This thread is emblematic that 1) society is utterly failing young men (particularly white and Asian) as a poster above noted and 2) the blatant discrimination against men via DEI programs with violent pushback now
OP I have 0 sympathy for your POV, I’ve seen way too many examples personally of white and Asian men with strong performance screwed over due to DEI
Before anyone on this thread or anywhere else takes you seriously, DEI must die
Lol. "Why do men who objectify and demean women, and who think their gender makes them inherently less competent, demean me and think I'm less competent?"
This simply must be a parody.
dear diary
“Women are children all their lives, something intermediate between the child and the man, who is the real human being.”
— Arthur Schopenhauer
When I was a young analyst, we were pushed to join ERGs.
There were ERGs for women, LGBTQ employees, and minorities — but none for people who didn’t fall into those buckets.
I passed. I wasn’t interested in joining a group that didn’t represent me just to say I participated.
I focused on doing good work, building real relationships, and letting performance speak — which, ironically, didn’t matter because sex and race matter more apparently.
Let’s not forget about the discriminatory job fairs and conferences for minorities and women that companies use to recruit first to make DEI quotas.
it's so naive of you to think calling yourself as un-"woke" will save you from the slander
Look at that! White men are discriminated against
https://www.compactmag.com/article/the-lost-generation/
Fuck you DEI
DEI has sparked a generation of pissed off white men who were deliberately not hired for years.
All of those guys who never got those IB jobs because of discrimination. For a decade plus.
Ironically, you feminists and race baiters made it so much worse for you in the long run.
I know I am done with all race bull shit and will never shed a tear for a POC or woman. You all get the opportunities
Allowing women into the workforce has been detrimental, nearly as harmful as the 19th Amendment, which set in motion many of the societal changes that pushed women out of the home and into professional roles. Women should remain at home; otherwise, we witness the current issues where they channel their nurturing drives toward micromanaging and dominating their professional environments. Over the past three years, I’ve worked under a female “lead” who struggled to deliver results, yet displayed an outsized ego and far more talk than actual productivity.
"Why men don't like me ?? I am not like the leftie mood killers" followed by
"I feel excluded because of beer events" is priceless.
You are precisely an insufferable mood killer.
We just don't fkin care about you, we want to live freely among adult professionals.
Not run a daycare for mentally challenged females.
Go build your own bank FFS
Always whining never happy
sorry to hear about your awful Urinary Infection
Senior perspective here.
No, this isn’t about men being gay or hating women — it’s about status signaling in a very male-designed, competitive culture. IB rewards conformity and “bro” bonding, and anyone who doesn’t fit that mold (including women) can get scrutinized more, especially at the junior level.
That said, on good teams, competent women are treated like any other analyst and evaluated on output. On bad teams, differences get punished, and women feel it more because they’re more visible and held to a higher bar.
DEI exists mostly at the hiring level; culture always lags policy. Most seniors care far more about reliability and work quality than golf, beer, or personalities — once you prove yourself, respect usually follows.
IB isn’t real life and it isn’t all men. Focus on strong execution, find a couple seniors who value your work, and don’t internalize bad behavior as a gender verdict. There are teams where this isn’t an issue — they’re just quieter about it.
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