Associates who have realized PE is not the promised land, what's next?

Just finished my first year in PE. I realized fairly quickly that the lifestyle was not for me but wanted to give it a full year before making any judgment. Unsurprisingly nothing has changed and I know I need to get out at some point. 

Current plan is to push through until December to collect another bonus. After that, I have no idea.

Tempted by a strategy type role at a corporate (easier life, big pay cut) or moving to a smaller / earlier-stage fund (hopefully keep a decent salary but how different would it really be?).

Curious to see what everyone else is planning.

 

How much of a paycut would you be taking, and what're the hours like?

 
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Hours is the main thing, along with the complete inability to ever switch off and the stress that comes with that. 

I also just don’t give enough of a fuck compared to the rest of my team. My goal each day is to do my work to a reasonable standard and get home at a decent time. If I get a 5 min break, I’d rather chat about weekend plans than discuss opinions on a random deal someone brought to IC last week. 

I want to work with normal, reasonable people who understand that work is just work. Hours wise, I think ~50-55/week is probably the sweet spot for me - I’d like 8h sleep a night, an hour for the gym, time to cook dinner and spend a bit of time each evening relaxing. I'd also love to be able to take vacation knowing it's unlikely I'll have to work most of the time.

 

I feel this, deal sprints are literal hell and I end up working similar hours to banking but with more mentally painful work. Weirdly, everyone I work with seems to accept their life consists of work, eating at the office and sleeping sub 6 hours with the occasional night drinking. On the flip side, the economy in the last 3 years has ensured anyone without an inheritance will have a very difficult time getting ahead. The lifestyle you had in a corp Dev role 10 years ago is better than what PE affords you now.

I'm just going to go until I literally can't and then move to corp Dev eventually.  

 

Yeah pay is basically the same at any of the big players until you hit VP then just slightly less carry given the 12.5% instead of 20.0% in buyout (mitigated by less people in carry pool but still a bit of a haircut)

 

Same here. When you’ve already died in IB with multiple 80-100 hour weeks, body can only take so much of the same in PE for so long unless you’re truly passionate and love it (and I don’t think I am). Thinking of maybe doing public markets investing for lesser hours but probably will end up being similar. 

 

Looking back, I would say around 70% of my friends are still in the industry at either the same funds they started at or a lateral to similar funds. For the other 30%, the exits are all over the map, but the most common are moving to growth equity (from buyout), hedge funds, LP (endowment / family office etc.), starting their own smaller fund, working for a family business, senior management at a portfolio company, start-ups, and management positions at large tech (Meta/Alphabet etc.).

 

No. You still work harder than most professions at the senior level, but you do get a lot more flexibility / control over your schedule at some point. It really comes down to if you genuinely enjoy the job and the people.

 

Thank you for the comment - in your eyes, do you think associates will still stay in PE in such high numbers? 70% is higher than I’d expect 

 

I went from a bad culture PE form to work at the Director level at a growth stage technology company. I've really enjoyed it. 

Within the first month or two I was able to do some strategic M&A that led to successful business development opportunities with limited/no oversight.

Point being: having autonomy (predicated on being successful) has made me happy. I have schedule control to be able to see friends, workout, etc. Sometimes I choose to grind like in PE, but I don't have to, which is what matters. 

My cash comp is a 40% haircut, which I don't appreciate. I feel good about living a good private school / nice home / nice vacations life with my nest egg and current compensation. I am, on a scale from 0-10, at least 4 points happier directly because of the job switch. 

 

What type of company did you target (size / maturity etc.)? Any advice for others on how to find a similar role

 

Outdated title , 3rd year assoc at a MM in SoCal going to early stage renewables VC. hours will be nothing compared to this hell

 

Not in PE but interned at MBB, a couple of our EMs and consultants had PE backgrounds but they also worked in primarily our PE practice and had probably the worst hours of any other projects at the office. Have heard that consulting firms with a PE practice do look highly on buy-side experience as you obviously would interface with the client a lot better

 

My G leaving PE to get into the PE practice of MBB has got to be the dumbest move ever

 

My G leaving PE to get into the PE practice of MBB has got to be the dumbest move ever

lol

several reasons that make that move compelling, including higher probability of promotion at MBB than most funds, lower exposure to portfolio management (which can suck once you actually try it and get out of the bubble of WSO analysts clamoring for it), and better hours despite still being an intense gig 

 

Entrepreneurship through acquisition seems cool.

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If you find investing interesting, based on the lifestyle goals you’re describing LO could be an option.

50-60hr weeks (mostly 50), good pay, generally friendlier/nicer people than PE and the work is much more self-directed than PE. Like, my PMs basically don’t monitor or care how I spend my day as long as I bring ideas to them every once in a while and keep them updated on my positions.

To be successful you have to find public markets investing interesting but for context, I have an incredibly flexible schedule, never work on weekends (though often will read about my coverage/ideas I’m working on), and the WLB overall is very sustainable. It’s not as cushy as a corporate job but it also pays way more than those and has less office politics. Can take vacation and not worry about it.

 

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