BB IB (2 yrs) -> UMM PE (2-3 years) -> MBB consulting?

Is UMM PE -> MBB consulting ever an option? Has it ever been done before and how much credit would you receive for your 5 YOE in IB/PE? 
Have been thinking of different exit options post-PE that strike a good balance between comp, WLB, and path to promotion. Thought that MBB would likely offer much better WLB than UMM PE with better promotion chances, though with steep pay cut. Wondering how MBB compares to other PE exit options such as corp dev.

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Not OP, but I'm partially hijacking the thread as also interested in the move. What do you think would be required to come in at a higher level? I'm currently in London PE (and was doing IB at a BB before), but would like to move back to my hometown, which has limited PE presence but large MBB offices. The issue is that I just hit 6 years of experience and should make it to VP at the end of 2025, so I can't stomach the idea of doing more associate years.

Not sure I'd even want to come in at the manager level as I realise the work isn't easy and I've never been a consultant before, but I'm just wondering what options are there (e.g. perhaps come in as an associate, but on the premise that you're promoted in e.g. 6 months if no real issues with work?). Would really welcome any views. Thank you so much 

 

Honestly biggest thing is that you almost certainly have to join as an associate. 

Consulting toolkit is a bit weird - and while some skills translate over - being able to jump in as a manager / junior partner isn’t really possible (or very rare) 


MBB is typically quite large as well - and so recruiting function is very standardized…not as easy as reaching out to a MD in the group. 

Certainly could be possible - would recommend reaching out to a partner in the industries you know best given you’ve seen them from a unique angle in IB  

 

You would never come in as an engagement manager anyway. I've seen people starting out with ~10 YOE industry experience and the highest they got was "Senior Associate" (Europe - I'm not sure how that translates to US as every region has different titles for roles, EM/AP/Partner is the same). 

The only case they give out to hire EMs is when they takeover a project manager from a different big name firm (e.g., Bain/BCG or some T2s). 

The reason is simple that you have zero clue how consulting works. You are a very capable professional with your background and likely would get EM promote soon but if you are really serious about becoming a consultant you need at least ~1 year to ramp-up, learn the ropes, internal norms etc. No way you start out and run your own engagements.

 

This is insanely dumb, could not be a worse idea. 

Idk if you’ve been following but consulting is getting HAMMERED. These firms that never really “fired” and had started to chill on the up or out in 2021 are now firing analysts, managers, and even some partners left right and center.


What does this mean for you? Two things really:


1. MBB is not some easy shit to get promoted at, and gets especially more difficult after the manager level to become non equity partner and then equity partner. You also have to have the right program at the right time and there are many ppl who dedicated themselves to this and really “bought the koolaid” but then get canned.


2. Realistically you’re not getting hired lol. Laterals into MBB was only really a concept during COVID when they were foaming at the mouth for talent. It’s not in the MBB DNA to take a mid stage career professional and meld into their image, but also, again, they’re firing like crazy rn so there’s no need for them to do this

 
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Let me add a few cents here coming from a MBB 

  • Yes lateral is possible. I've actually met several former BB-bankers and even EB (Lazard) who joined our firm. One of my closest friends (project manager) at the firm was at GS before coming over. Reasons are diverse but most of them want better WLB/nicer culture without going yet to corporate. I've never worked at a BB but she always told me "if you think leadership is unreasonable with us on this one, you would have completely hated your life at GS"
  • If you join the firm from a BB people will assume that you are a hardo and there will be some self-selection early in the beginning of hardos trying to staff you. They will also leverage you heavy for modelling intensive streams and most likely you will end up  in a PE practice
  • Culture/pressure at MBB has gotten significantly worse. It is not as bad as in banking but everybody in leadership is constantly nervous. Times are changing and they have to fight tooth and nail. The uneasiness gets pushed down on the team lvl, so consulting atm is currently not fun/chill and people are getting grinded. This is just a byproduct of the current economic environment with many large transformations across industries (e.g., automotive)
  • You will likely need heavy lifting to build-up the proper toolkit. Consulting is very different than banking/PE. Much less execution driven and much more creativity/standalone work expected. You will get assigned the most random workstreams that you never had any exposure on but are expected to figure your way through and build a solid chapter of ~20-30 pages and present that in front of seasoned industry execs., senior advisors of PE funds, MDs of PE funds, who will call out BS immediately - in my opinion it just sucks. You don't have much clue about anything but always get thrown into this situations where you need to standoff with people who actually know the industry in and out

There are so many nuances to this but personally I wouldn't do it. Like everybody I know is trying to get the heck out of MBB

 

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