No buy-side experience before H/S/W MBA?
Hey everyone, I'm a fresh college graduate heading to a role in equity syndicate at a top BB (GS/MS/JPM) in Asia. I previously did an internship in Equity Capital Markets, and I think syndicate is something I will enjoy. I did my undergrad in Econ at a top US college (MIT/Chicago/Columbia). I also very, very fortunately got into both Stanford GSB and Wharton's deferred MBA programs. I'm still waiting on HBS, but either way I'll most likely defer for 4 years and then go to Stanford GSB.
If my post-MBA goal is to break into private equity (something like KKR / Carlyle / Blackstone / Warburg Pincus / Bain Capital) in the US, is this doable without any pre-MBA buy-side experience? Assuming that I internal transfer to IBD coverage at my top BB, which is quite doable, will Stanford GSB + my 4 years in equity syndicate + IBD suffice?
Why wouldn't you just make sure your second job is an investing role? If you're smart (or connected) enough to get a strong job out of college, that should also apply to any next job which would be the role you leave for business school.
One easy path would be to work your hardest to focus on tech, media, or healthcare in your ECM job. That way you ideally develop a set of valuable relationships, and at minimum, enough experience to use as talking points to help you interview for a venture capital or growth equity role.
You could easily recruit for traditional West Coast firms, but if you felt you could speak to it more easily, there's so many U.S. firms that like APAC and invest in the region either out of a dedicated fund or a commingled flagship fund that does U.S. deals as well.
Keep your GSB acceptance on your resume. Tech investors will value that, it means you're going to the school that's perceived as the hotbed of all things investable.
Do two years in the first role.
In the first year, focus solely on developing a primary thesis (e.g. infrastructure for the creator economy, institutional adoption of crypto, telehealth and digital therapeutics, whatever) and get smart on it.
By smart I mean you should know every incumbent working on an initiative related to your thesis, all the late-stage well-funded companies who already own a chunk of the space, and the exciting new startups who have raised a seed or A or B and are poised for breakout growth - and ideally have spoken to one or more people at each of them such that you have an informed sense of whether or not the company is smart about the market, what holes exist in their strategy, how the team might be stronger (missing a certain skill-set or know-how), and so on.
In the second year, begin your networking campaign to meet all the investors who cover the space related to your thesis. Make a matrix:
If you spent the better part of a year just adding investors to the ongoing mix of conversations you started with operators and founders relevant to your lane, you would have a whole bunch of conversations going simultaneously where you'd be surprised how organically job opportunities come up.
You: "Well, I'm coming up on the end of my analyst stint in six months. It's been really interesting learning so much about X, I'm about to put my thinking hat on and figure out what's smartest to do next."
Them: "Well, I've enjoyed our conversations so much. Can I introduce you to some of the other people on our team? You'd fit so well here!"
(or): "I have to introduce you to Y. I meant to do it last month but I forgot, we saw his Series B but didn't win the deal. He's super smart, you'd get along with him well, and it's an amazing company."
The point here is you can easily create any narrative you want, any network you want, any opportunity you want. The best jobs don't come from a linear "I have to apply here now" approach. They come as a natural evolution of you pursuing and spending time on the things you find most interesting.
You have amazing b-school acceptances. It takes a lot of the pressure off. If you're interested in any kind of role related to new economy industries after school, whether as an operator or investor, it's pretty easy to get yourself a role for before school that will set you up for after.
Good luck, and congratulations.
Thank you so much for your response! Lots of great advice here, thanks!
May I ask your preference between VC and micro-cap/MM sponsor?
VC/growth equity is more prestigious and would value Stanford GSB experience
congrats on UChicago
Go Maroons!
If you don’t have pre mba PE investing experience you have basically a 0% chance of getting into a megafund PE seat post MBA. And even if you somehow pull that off, you’ll be completely unqualified and unprepared for that role and will likely be unable to keep up with or compete with your peers.
This is wrong - Have seen and known a few people successfully land megafund PE and get promoted from Associate/SA to VP after HBS/GSB, without prior direct investing experience, though all former top BB IB/MBB
Yeah if you come in as an entry level associate that’s fine - but if OP thinks he’s going to land as a VP or the same level as people with pre-MBA investing experience then he’s deluded. And how big is your sample size and when were they hired? I bet there is maybe 1-2 people maximum a year who end up in MF PE post MBA with no prior experience during the covid bull market - and I bet all of them had family connections to those firms / the industry or are women / DEI. There is literally no reason for a fund to hire someone without experience when they can get candidates with better and more relevant credentials and experience. Just going to HBS or GSB doesn’t make you special when you have tons of other candidates with IB+PE backgrounds and HBS and GSB on their resume - especially in a job market where very few firms are hiring and can be super selective.
And if his ideal exit is becoming an associate - why not rip the bandaid off and just do that pre MBA with other people his own age?
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