Q&A: Recruited for RX and buyside...

Thought of creating this thread to be a resource incase anyone had any questions (which I doubt but putting this out there anyways). Will try my best to respond to as many as possible.

Background: Regional target, otherwise lower semi - target

Recruited for: RX IB (non PJT / EVR) , RX Consulting, MM & LMM PE
 

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  1. Recruited for FT (did a relevant internship for my final summer).
  2. I guess it was mainly because of the greater value creation leverage and operational involvement. At LMM/MM firms, the delta of operational improvement is far more substantial. You're often investing in founder- or family-owned businesses that haven't professionalized, scaled, or optimized their operations. The levers I could pull: new systems, better talent, geographic/segment expansion, pricing imo offered more hands-on value creation than the financial engineering or incremental margin gains often emphasized at MFs. Also the culture at MFs really wasn't my cup of tea.
  3. Same as for RX IB, but with a lot of ops side stuff as well, as opposed to just pure financials. The HL case is a good one, and then I used MBB cases as well, even though those don't perfectly represent RX Co, they atleast help with strategy knowledge.

    Can't offer too much insight on SA recruiting, but for FT recruiting you've really gotta know someone on the inside to maximize your chances, bc for atleast the Big 3 (FTI, Alix, A&M) most FT spots are taken by the interns, and as a result there have been times when there hasn't been FT recruiting at all (they also in general hire very few FT people regardless). Also, it tends to be office based, i.e NYC might hire FT but Houston might not, so get to know someone at the offices you're interested in and they might give you a heads up. That's what I did and got lucky enough to be included in the process. Alternatively you could keep an eye on their careers sites, FT typically starts when SA is wrapping up (August +). 

 
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Rising soph at a similar school. Thank you for doing this!

What's the timeline for RX (IB)? When should I start reaching out to alum, and when can I expect to have superdays?

 

I recruited FT, so around August - early October. Basically when your SA stints start wrapping up. Would recommend reaching out slightly into your internship, and something to keep in mind is sometimes the effort isn't worth it for some firms (PJT RSSG / EVR RX) given how few seats open up, and please don't give the bank you're interning at the impression that you're shopping elsewhere lol

 

See comment above. Basically targeted any and all RX IB firms aside from the big two. One interesting thing I noticed was that networking kinda matters "less" for RX IB. Meaning, if you network and get into the process that's cool and all, but if a spot opens up and they post it, just cold applying won't do any harm either. In my experience these firms care more about actual capability than networking...and so few seats open up that networking might pay off worse in terms of effort vs outcome.

RX Co: A&M, FTI, and Alix hire SA, so do Province, BRG, Ankura...and a couple others. Across all of RX consulting you might have around 50 -70 total intern seats, and it'd be reasonable to expect high 5 digit or even 6 digit applicant numbers, so realistically terrible odds...I believe it's mostly junior year internships, but again, I didn't recruit SA so I couldn't tell you...you could post on the consulting forum and ask them

 
  1. Curious on what you talked about in RX IB coffee chats + how many you talked to at each bank. Some people prefer talking about recent deals, or market trends, but which topics best engaged RX bankers?
  2. Biggest difference from RX IB normal timeline and RX IB FT, other then the recruiting timeline?
  3. Did you do any internships junior fall (specific to RX IB recruiting)? Curious on what internships receive more preference -- some people I know did RX law firm internships, boutiques, or didn't do internships junior fall as a whole either.
  4. When did you start prepping for RX IB interviews? Any questions that threw you off?
  5. When did RX IB interviews typically start? Know you said below that timeline was typically August-October of senior year, but wondering about the  application/interview timeline

Thank you for your help!

 
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  1. You don't need to talk to many, given how small RX is, I'd say around 2 good convos should be enough, per bank. Now, again, given how small the world is, I'd had a situation where I talked to someone from bank X, and then when I was talking to someone from bank Y, they were like "oh didn't you talk to someone from bank X?", so make sure to not fuck it up bc word spreads. As for what to speak about, you've gotta come across as someone who's genuinely interested in RX. Any recent restructurings, economic trends' impact on the industry etc. One thing that worked for me (since i applied to both RX IB and RX consulting) was to use one against the other. Meaning, when talking to a banker, I'd be like "I'm curious to learn about the overlap and contrast between the deal / transaction side (IB) and operational & financial engineering side (RX consulting)" or something like that, and I'd flip it for RX consulting. Never failed.
  2. Assuming normal means SA, I'd say the questions, they were somewhat more relevant to RX, and you could argue harder as well. But, there was also significant variance, like some interviewers were extremely demanding while others were nudging you towards the right answer, and didn't really ding you if you messed up
  3. Didn't do anything RX specific, in hindsight I should've probably done something like that. I know that there's a thing on this forum about RX IB firms "only" hiring ppl that've done a stint at a BB or EB for FT, but keep in mind that most of that's coming from ppl who're too young to even drive (no offense). Reality is that the aforementioned group makes up the majority of applicants, hence most of the placements, but you can absolutely get interviews from other backgrounds (RX consulting, Big Law, B4 TAS, boutiques, MM firms) etc etc. RX cares about how passionate you are about the industry, and if you've got atleast somewhat relevant exp, aside from the soft skills. Maybe for PJT / EVR they discriminate against ppl from non BB / EBs and non-super targets but I wouldn't know.
  4. Started I'd say 3-4 months before my final internship started. You could probably get it done faster, but I took my time. You could start 10 years before you want to make the jump, there really isn't a right time, depends on the person.
  5. When I meant august - oct that was the typical opening timeline. Like HL had one that opened october, one in gugg opened up end of august-ish. From interview to offer (first to last round), it depends on the firm and applicant, my roommate who also lateraled got his within 3 weeks, for me it took closer to a month. Sometimes some firms drag shit out for like 6 months but I've never experienced this, it's hearsay. 
 

Am interested in doing a similar process — wondering how it ended up working out for you? Also curious why you didn't target PJT/EVR, my thought process was more spots would open up from there as ppl jump to buyside etc. 

 

As you can see from my title, I got and accepted a RX IB offer. Didn't get the rx consulting offer; I crushed the technicals but bombed the distressed consulting-type questions. Also got a super small LMM PE offer that I passed on bc IB comp was better and more established (the PE firm was new as well). 

Didn't go for PJT / EVR bc I felt like I'd have to put in too much effort for too little returns, whereas if I put in the same level of effort for MM firms I'd have a better chance. 

 

Thank you for this super helpful! Was wondering how tier 2/3 rx processes are like in terms of technical difficulty.

 

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