Vista vs Bain Capital Analyst Programs
Hi everyone, I'm about to be an SA in tech IB and looking into processes for Vista and Bain Capital’s analyst programs. Would love to hear thoughts on both, from what people know. I saw another post for Insight vs Warburg that had a pros-cons list, so figured I’d do the same here.
- Pros: You get to dive straight into tech investing, cutting SaaS data, no sourcing. Model slowly becomes yours as you hit the end of An2, and you run it at Aso1. Clear promotion, and hiring within the ranks, no business school requirement. For MF PE, great WLB, hybrid model and unlimited PTO. Comp just in-line with MFs, but lower COL cities and no state income tax.
- Cons: Perhaps not as reputable as other PE analyst programs like BX and KKR, fund’s shaky reputation recently (not sure if this would affect the junior experience?), culture certainly not lax, but not quite as toxic as Apollo/SLP. Only siloed into tech/software (maybe not a bad thing).
Bain:
- Pros: Very established program, also with clear promotion path and hiring within the ranks. No business school requirement, but seems to be a shoo-in to HBS for those who do. Great WLB and culture, also has hybrid model. Comp is in line with what EBs pay. Variety of sectors to be in, and can switch as an Associate if you don't like what you covered as an analyst.
- Cons: Analysts focus more operationally/consulting style, maybe limiting exits and skillset? Unsure if they’re considered MF, as their PE AUM is only a % of their actual total AUM. Boston…same weather and COL as NYC - but without the benefit of being in NYC. Recently poor returns/fund performance… many in the 3rd and 4th quartile for returns (also not sure if this would affect the junior experience at all).
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Seconded that Bain has a great culture - awesome people and really good learning opportunities. Don't know anything about Vista
Can you elaborate on what you mean by good culture?
If you are interested in tech, Bain is not viewed as a serious investor, while Vista is a leader.
What about for just a platform for a career in PE in general?
Dont listen to the above poster. Yes vista is the specialist but both are respected in tech.
To those giving me MS, please tell me one good tech deal Bain PE has done
A couple of things here:
1. At Bain you don't get a choice in industry initially. You have to rotate through Consumer/Retail, Industrials, Healthcare, and Technology before eventually deciding where you want to end up. Very attractive if you don't know what industry you wanna focus on, and also helps build a strong base in understanding the inner workings of a vast majority of all business models you'll come across in your investing career.
2. Saw an IB guy saying that Bain and Vista are both respected in tech which does an injustice to the gap between the two firms. Sure, Bain's tech team isn't bad, but Vista is on a whole different level. Just look at the deal size and frequency for tech. If that's not enough, look at how Bain can't even win a bid when they are offering much more money than other firms for a tech buyout (*cough cough* Software AG); this should tell you enough about their tech team. If you wanna do tech PE, the best seats you can get are TB/SL/Vista/H&F and anyone else isn't even close.
3. Both programs are significantly better than any tech banking gig (if you wanna be an investor) because you get to think like an investor and learn from some of the best in PE right now. The only tech group I would consider taking over these two is Q and that's only if you're considering career banking or VC.
Source: I got offers from both when I recruited SA but ended up taking an offer for a different MF PE shop.
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Out of curiosity, where did you end up FT? I’m guessing it would have to be BX/KKR/WP/SLP?
Sounds like op got in through SA so not WP
How would this compare to WP’s analyst program? Would Vista’s be better for tech only, and WP > Bain in general?
Plan to shoot all 3 for FT next year, and would love to hear thoughts on this
Would not say that WP > Bain in general. Really depends on the industry you want to invest in. WP > Bain for tech without a doubt, but Bain > WP for healthcare, industrials, among some other things. Just depends on the vertical. Both are great names.
You certainly have to like tech to like Vista given they don't invest in other industries
Would not say WP > Bain - industry rotations, culture, and investment style preference (focus on large concentrated LBOs vs smaller growth checks) are reasons to take Bain. Boston vs NYC is a consideration. WP also recruits much earlier in the summer.
Some thoughts (seriously recruited for both and struck out, ended up at another UMM/MF analyst role)
Vista:
- If you're dead set on tech/software, nothing beats Vista/SLP programs, full stop (not even BX/KKR). For Vista specifically, share loss and late(r) introduction to modelling are minor compared to the benefits of being at a Thoma/Vista given their clear market leadership in tech/software PE.
- Think this program is especially optimal for tech-focused exits - if you're considering a longer-term career, think the Vista-specific risks (some share loss over last years to Thoma/SLP, go-forward return risk given peak multiple tech deployments) are worth considering although certainly unlikely to be existential
Bain:
- If you're not set on tech, this program is worth serious consideration (and would have been my personal pick) - sector rotation model, intellectual style, basically pioneered modern PE investing, best-in-class culture; was personally super impressed with everyone I talked to. Lots of respect for them at my firm
- With respect to your cons, agreed on Boston (although I think you get to move to NYC after only 1-2 years, unlike Vista SF being VP+?). Certainly a MF - diversifying across asset classes is (as some would argue) the defining hallmark of a MF and highly synergistic, and North America PE fundraising/deployment definitely does not lag peers. Industry perspective on returns is that they overstretched in 2008 (like H&F now) but have since recovered with a 2x and funds in good shape (esp. without a lot of levered beta-type investments)
- Bain employee might have a better perspective on degree of operations/consulting work for analysts (and I asked about this when networking/interviewing) - sense is that the operations side is still mostly handled by operating partners in a separate portfolio group (i.e. KKR Capstone) and analysts are investment-focused. Consulting heritage really manifests more in investing style (broad market diligence, etc.) and culture.
TLDR: can't go wrong, both programs I'd take in a heartbeat. As someone who wasn't a tech nut Bain had the upper hand for a variety of reasons but Vista is killer too. Good luck in your processes!
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This is one of the most level headed and helpful answers I’ve seen on this forum. Great post and pretty accurate. Source: Received offer from one, interview from the other, chose a different MF
Would exits be limited to some degree at Thoma/Vista given their specialization in not just tech, but purely enterprise saas? Or is it feasible to head to any tech shop from one of the two
What are Bschool placements like for each? Would like to say the MF brand makes it a very good shot to H/S/W, and Bain with an edge to H given their location?
Not too sure about Vista but Bain is known for having more or less the strongest b-school placement in the country given ties to HBS (though recent classes have been split evenly between HBS/GSB)
Worth noting that Vista you can be in SF starting at analyst role
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