Which fund has best relationship with GSB/HBS

Which PE funds got relationship with GSB/HBS programs where their associates are basically shoe ins. Referring to funds where GSB/HBS will send representatives to come visit.

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Idk about vastly superior shops. I think these are some of the top spots you could get lol. I think it’s the fact that these firms have developed relationships with admissions for decades and there’s a culture of most of the associates applying to bschool. The other firms you’re probably thinking of are APO, Vista, TB, SLP, etc. and these funds usually have direct promote programs, so I’m assuming if you’re going to bschool bec you either got pushed out or didn’t like it. The former might not be a great sign to schools even though that doesn’t indicate talent since it’s so difficult to move up

 

Meh, HBS student here from PE. I can’t say I know how admissions works, but I think ppl overplay the importance of “feeder funds”. I think what is important is having someone that’s willing to write a good rec, but beyond that idk if adcoms really favor Bain over Francisco or Berkshire over NMC, etc.

Having gone through the process, I really believe it’s more about you and your story than your specific company. 

The traditional “feeder funds” also have ppl that are more b school oriented, so the cycle perpetuates too. 

 

At an UMM that people would call a “feeder” (MDP, Berkshire, etc) and agree it doesn’t mean as much as people think. We had admissions visits from H/S both and only had a handful of admits to those two (and a decent number that didn’t get in to either).

Kids who got in were who you’d expect (top scores, good relationships for seniors for recs) but it’s absolutely not a shoe in anymore and plenty of good candidates no longer get in to H/S. The silver lining is everyone who applied to W from my firm did get in which is a good option.

Agree it is mostly a function now of less PE seats overall - so less admits from a place like Apollo is more due to Apollo associates not applying in the same numbers, whereas my UMM most people ended up applying.

 
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Agreed that “feeder funds” per se aren’t a thing as much as clearing a minimum bar of recognizability. HBS isn’t googling the latest flagship fund IRRs or even sizes but they obviously know what size generally is and where they’ve seen students / applicants from before. Even “on the rise” funds can clear this bar without a lot of digging by adcoms because they’ll see / read that a lot of HBS/GSB types are writing the rec letters and use that as a heuristic for prestige. That’s at least my theory as to why the even newer MM funds in the Boston market play so well at HBS, for example.

In terms of getting in, the rates above sound right. The PE/VC percentage bucket is pretty constant year-over-year, b-school class sizes have stayed the same, and PE ASO class sizes exploded in the bull market up to 2022 while only flattening during the slowdown since, which has an obvious effect on rates. Add in the fact that it’s in fashion for adcoms to want “diversity” of jobs even within PE/VC and there’s going to be a lot more, ahem, creative roles to fill that bucket, from impact investing to chief-of-staff roles to energy transition to infrastructure to search funds to any of the various flavors of growth equity these days to crypto to venture vehicles owned by strategics to straight up vanilla CorpFin.

Since about 2018, schools have made it somewhat clear that they think 2+2+2 aspirants who aren’t military are basically snores; they have to take a critical mass of us because of test scores and legacy relationships, but in response we have to join a junior board or two and pretend like we’ve secretly wanted to run for office to build water wells in the Sahara this whole time in our application essays. Or have suffered some immense trauma. I’m losing the thread here, so I’ll stop digressing by saying no “feeder fund” is really going to change those dynamics.

I’ll end by saying that though feeder funds don’t truly exist, I do think there’s a subtle culture difference between funds who really have an ethos of midlevels writing “best-in-class” letters for their associates, maybe because they received those kinds of letters when they were applying, whereas others require a little more office politics in terms of getting on teams with particularly good writers, good personalities, etc. in addition to being the kind of intra-class performer who would warrant such praise on the merits. My anecdotal sense is, for example, that Berkshire and Carlyle midlevels tend to push pretty hard across-the-board for HBS/GSB, but CD&R probably only has 3 or so of its class members that get that kind of effort, even though of course they’d like to go 10/10 or whatever their applying class size is.

The rough, though imperfect in many ways, analogy I’d draw is to those maybe old jokes about Jefferies and Harris Williams really “going to bat” for analysts when it comes to buyside recruiting. Thematically, that aspect is absolutely a part of those firms’ cultures and shows up in subtle ways relative to their MM peers, but it doesn’t transform them to “feeders” even at the funds where they have a lot of historical traction. The dynamics here are much different than Exeter or TJ High School kids applying to Princeton.

 

This might sound stupid, but is it "easier" to get into a top b-school with a different finance background then? If you apply with a regular IB->MM PE background, sounds like your competition will be EB/BB->MF whereas if you can fill some obscure professional experience quota you don't have the hardo pedigreed backgrounds in your same bucket?

 

Not really you'll compete with a slightly different set of people but there's also gonna be fewer seats for some obscure finance role and adcom looks there to add diversity of race, socioeconomic status, or other background to the class. 

 

If your goal is purely getting into H/S, possibly. I think it’s less about filling an obscure quota and more about overall impact / performance in those other roles though. The median PE associate at an UMM/MF is very competent, but took a low risk path, is not creating any kind of organizational impact, and is ultimately very replaceable. Different story for top performers in the obscure roles—but oftentimes they are top performers because they are working much harder than their peers on something they are very passionate about. It’s not an easy path and there’s a wider variance in outcomes vs. the 2+2 path.

 

Just do the thing that actually interests you. Choosing a job/career path just to get into H/S is dumb af. H/S should never be the goal, those who truly excel don't need H/S in the first place.

 

Not stupid at all. There's a post from a few years ago called "PE isn't the best way to get into b-school" about this, and the trends mentioned there have only gotten worse given the deal activity slowdown that happened in the interim. The issue is that the value of an "MBA" seat is so much more dependent on pre-school experience than any analog. If you meet the right quota to get into idk Duke or Princeton undergrad, it doesn't really matter whether you were a violinist, athlete, or mathlete when it comes to recruiting as long as you have the classes, clubs, and grades once you're in.

MBA's are totally different. The P&G product girlie, the Exxon oilbro, the LinkedIn product manager, the Army officer, and the GS -> BX guy all have career trajectories that, HBS or GSB inclusive, will ne'er meet from the day they accept their admission offer. (With maybe the exception of IBD associate.) So yes, go ahead and do FP&A at Google or be a standout AmEx or Boeing leadership program member if you want to maximize getting into HBS--there will be fewer "reserved" slots, but the competition will be easier to deal with than at McKinsey or CD&R. But the post-MBA employment opps will be worlds away.

 

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