MSF: UT, Georgetown, or UVA ?

What is the best out of these 3 in terms of general job outcomes? I'm really interested in project finance & PUI industry/banking but I have ER and REPE internships (both no-name fyi) and will take the best job I can get.

I'm also from a small state school with literally no one in such roles, and a CS major, so looking for the biggest and most responsive network.

UT Austin:

  • 10 months
  • smallest class size
  • avg base salary 80k+ (I think this is great for a first job in texas)
  • 60% job offer by graduation, 95% w/in 6 months after
  • Many come from UT UG. Worried that skewed the report (cuz I come from nowhere)
  • Very strong pull in Texas/energy; OTOH, I'd have to commit to there as the vast majority stay in TX (I like Texas especially for early career but prob not forever)
  • Seems like the most friendly/cultured school; staff/alumni seem responsive. Does this hold true?
  • People seem to place into jobs at Texas-based shops that can be used to transition later (valuations, b4 / a&m, credit, RE, rare CIB)
  • built for people like me who did not study finance
  • idk if I can handle the heat, literally, I've never lived far from home (i'm from the northeast)

Virginia (Commerce):

  • like UT, 10 months and all non-business undergrads
  • it's actually M.S. Commerce (McIntire) with a Finance concentration, so a some courses are general business :/ Also the electives are softballs "Python for business" "project mgmt" and I did a whole CS degree
  • avg base salary for Finance conc is 95k - again, worried this is skewed by the UVA 4+1 s
  • for the life of me, I cannot find alumni who did the Finance track. I saw like 2 but they were in FP&A and business analytics. The IB came from UVA and just needed another year it seems.
  • does the Integrated Core Experience and case-based, teamwork class structure
  • mandatory global consulting trip which I fear is a cash grab

Georgetown:

  • 2 yrs (a pro and a con)
  • large af class (200+), most stay online - this worries me bc I want to build connections and for it to feel like a real school
  • Room for internships but how does networking work in such a program? Does it have a good rep, do people respond?
  • people say the classwork actually teaches you new things and is rigorous
  • lack of selectivity + lot of experienced students muddles career outcomes so IDK what is possible for me thru this program
  • If I go: should I move to DC (I live ~70 mins away from NYC) or do it online?

Rn I'm leaning toward UT bc it seems the most transparent and the respect it has in TX/energy makes the program punch above its weight there. But I can't tell for sure. I also want to go to the best business school possible to counteract my unknown UG.

BTW, I got into Rochester as well, but not sure if I should consider it.

If you know anyone who has done these programs, let me know what they're really like!

Which MSF?

UT Austin McCombs
27% (10 votes)
Georgetown McDonough
57% (21 votes)
UVA McIntire
16% (6 votes)
Total votes: 37
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Based on the most helpful WSO content, here's a breakdown of your options and how they align with your goals in project finance, PUI industry/banking, and leveraging a strong alumni network:

UT Austin (McCombs)

  • Pros:

    • Strong Texas/Energy Focus: UT Austin has a stellar reputation in Texas, particularly in energy and project finance. If you're open to starting your career in Texas, this program offers a clear path to roles in valuations, Big 4, A&M, credit, and even rare CIB opportunities.
    • Small Class Size: This fosters a tight-knit community and better access to alumni and faculty.
    • Responsive Alumni Network: Alumni and staff are known to be supportive, which is crucial for someone from a non-target UG.
    • Transparent Outcomes: 60% job offers by graduation and 95% within six months are solid stats. The $80K+ average base salary is competitive for Texas-based roles.
    • Built for Non-Finance Backgrounds: As a CS major, you'll benefit from the program's structure, which is designed to help non-business undergrads transition into finance.
  • Cons:

    • Regional Focus: The program's strength is heavily concentrated in Texas. If you're not committed to staying in Texas long-term, this could be a limitation.
    • Climate and Distance: Adjusting to the Texas heat and being far from home might be challenging.
  • Verdict: If you're okay with starting in Texas and leveraging the energy/project finance opportunities there, UT Austin is a fantastic choice. Its alumni network and placement stats make it a strong contender.

UVA (McIntire - M.S. Commerce)

  • Pros:

    • Prestigious Brand: UVA's McIntire School of Commerce is highly regarded, and the program's $95K average base salary is impressive.
    • Case-Based Learning: The Integrated Core Experience and teamwork-focused structure could help you develop practical skills.
    • Global Consulting Trip: While it might feel like a cash grab, it could provide international exposure and networking opportunities.
  • Cons:

    • Lack of Finance-Specific Focus: The program's general business courses and electives might not add much value for someone with a CS degree.
    • Unclear Alumni Outcomes: The finance track's alumni placements seem limited to FP&A and business analytics, which might not align with your goals in project finance or PUI banking.
    • 4+1 Skew: The program's outcomes might be inflated by UVA undergrads who already have strong networks and career trajectories.
  • Verdict: While UVA has a strong brand, the program's lack of a clear finance focus and limited alumni outcomes in your target fields make it less compelling compared to UT Austin.

Georgetown (MSF)

  • Pros:

    • Rigorous Curriculum: The program is known for its challenging coursework, which could help you build a strong technical foundation.
    • Flexibility: The two-year structure allows room for internships, which could be valuable for building experience and connections.
    • Proximity to NYC/DC: If you move to DC, you'll be closer to major financial hubs, which could help with networking.
  • Cons:

    • Large Class Size: With 200+ students, many of whom are online, building meaningful connections might be difficult.
    • Mixed Outcomes: The program's lack of selectivity and diverse student backgrounds could dilute career outcomes.
    • Networking Challenges: The online format for many students might limit the program's ability to foster a strong, responsive alumni network.
  • Verdict: Georgetown's MSF is a solid program, but its large class size, mixed outcomes, and potential networking challenges make it less appealing compared to UT Austin for your specific goals.

Rochester (Simon)

  • Pros:

    • Strong Quantitative Focus: Simon's MSF program is known for its rigorous quantitative curriculum, which could complement your CS background.
    • Placement in F500 and Big 4: Alumni have landed roles in reputable firms, which could help you transition into finance.
  • Cons:

    • Limited Brand Recognition: While Simon is respected, it doesn't have the same level of prestige or alumni network as UT Austin or UVA.
    • Regional Focus: Placements are often concentrated in the Northeast, which might not align with your interest in project finance or PUI banking.
  • Verdict: Rochester is a decent option, but it doesn't offer the same level of opportunities or network strength as UT Austin.

Final Recommendation

  • Top Choice: UT Austin (McCombs)
    It offers the best combination of strong job outcomes, a responsive alumni network, and a focus on energy/project finance, which aligns with your goals. While it has a regional focus, starting in Texas could provide a solid foundation for transitioning to other markets later.

  • Runner-Up: UVA (McIntire)
    If you're drawn to the UVA brand and case-based learning, it could be a good option, but the lack of finance-specific focus and unclear alumni outcomes are concerns.

  • Avoid: Georgetown and Rochester, as they don't align as well with your goals and priorities.

If you have further questions or need help deciding, feel free to ask!

Sources: MSF Class of 2019, MSF Class of 2019, MSF or MBA for my experience level?, Is Networking Better Than Doing A MSF Program?, MSF Question and Answer

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thank you so much. I have a bunch:

Firstly, what are your goals & background? What were your other options & why'd you choose Georgetown? Are you ft/pt, online/in-person?

How much does career services help vs. your own initiative? What career prep services are there?

How responsive are Georgetown alumni? Does the Georgetown name really help or do people recognize the program is not selective? Do you feel valued at the school?

What is class/networking like since most ppl are online?

Do people generally get the job they want? What kind of roles are typical?

Is there anything that surprised you about the program once you enrolled? Any regrets you have? Anything essential for a prospective student to know?

 
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gonna be detailed, so i'm going to break it into many chunks.

  1. i went to a semi-target undergrad, and am doing this since i didn't have enough prep and time to recruit in undergrad (didn't have work authorization until end of junior year) nor was i the brightest on paper (not the highest gpa due to slacking, bad mental health).  
    1. i'm doing consulting. i interned this summer at a brand name feeder role for MBB full time and plan to return for next summer too.
    2. i'm doing 2 years version to get my gpa back up and polish other areas on my resume.
    3. i'm online. but i'll fly and visit in person next semester for MBB and other consulting OCR events. i'll go in person next year probably too since it's a really nice area to live in, and dc is a nice city. many of my friends have gone to recruiting events in person so far, but a big portion of them (mainly IB Summer Analyst coffee chats) are only open to freshmen/sophomores.
    4. my other option was mainly USC. i got a Vanderbilt interview but was rejected. i didn't pick USC because Georgetown seemed to have better career services (winter and summer clinics mainly), and i already studied in California so I wanted to go to an east coast school (new place to explore, closer connection to DC/NYC MBB offices). i didn't want to go to 1 year programs (so i could polish my gpa and resume), so my only other option to apply was uchicago mif or cornell mim, which the first one seems like a gamble and second one has a disappointing careers report.
  2. career services hosts monthly events/office hours for IB, WM, PE, and consulting. they usually bring MSF alumni to those calls. you can also do your traditional behavioral case prep, resume review with them, not sure about technical prep (but they are quite knowledgable on what resources to use for technicals, and will pair you up with classmates).
    1. career services also provide winter and summer clinic projects (finance/strategy projects with banks, F500, boutiques), which i think is a great option to use to boost your resume. i think it's also something a lot of other msf/mim programs don't offer at a similar scale.
    2. the career services has access to positions with referrals maybe once in a semester, but not much aside from that. you'll have to do a lot of networking with non MSF alumni yourself.
    3. overall, MSF alumni are quite responsive (unless they work at sweatshops, where they dont have time to respond/call). outside of that, typical georgetown alum is fairly helpful. since most BBs, EBs, MBB come to campus for OCR events, i would say the network response quality is quite similar to other target schools (lower ivies at UG/MS level).
    4. the georgetown name definitely helps, but i will be honest, if you're applying to really selective places, they'll judge you based on your UG institution and performance as well. if you went to a semi-target/low target/selective UG, or if you got a high gpa, that will help you. i do see a pattern in better summer internship/jobs based on that, but maybe student quality is different too.
    5. that said, plenty of people here land great offers regardless of UG name/performance. a lot of people at georgetown get BB/EB WM. MM IB is not rare. boutique PE is common among alumni. T2, T3 and boutique consulting is also common.
    6. a lot of these places in general are less focused on UG name and more on overall background. people from non targets still go to EB, MBB.
    7. i feel valued overall. it's still private school resources. but, at the end of the day, you need to take initiative.
  3. class is fine.
    1. lectures are online videos, and live sessions are business case discussions, which is pretty engaging. attendance and participation is required and graded.
    2. classes are curved to 3.5 gpa average so they're not handing out A's. but it's still fairly doable, just be careful on quizzes and make no errors.
    3. i definitely do feel FOMO being online but it's getting better. participating in MSF clubs is helpful, especially if you're on some board/selected team.
    4. the classmates that go in person seem to be in fairly close friend groups, so there's a nice social aspect if you go in person.
    5. most georgetown OCR events are in person.
  4. i'm not the best person to answer it, but it does seem that most people end up in what field they want. for people straight out of undergrad, i'd say it's IB, AWM, Consulting, Corporate Finance, PE  as the big 5, in order.
    1. personally, i did get interviews from 1/3 MBB and 1 BB AM, among a few more.
  5. i was a bit surprised by the amount of people who attend class in person. it's a fairly big amount (like 40% of class at least on average, which is a big amount for a class of 200). i was expecting very few people did, but a lot of people (especially those not working) moved to DC for this. so it's not as socially dead as some people suggest.
    1. and a large amount of others live in the baltimore-boston area so they will easily take the train for events. it's much harder if you live in midwest/west coast.
    2. not a regret but i would've def moved to in person if i knew this many people came in person and the amount of OCR events.
    3. also will recommend to keep your gpa strong rest of your senior year and get a summer internship you want if you haven't yet.

hope this helps! good luck with results! happy to answer follow up questions to my best ability, especially if you want to share what industry you want to pursue.

 

i just saw your career interests in the post. i'd say it's definitely feasible if you end up at georgetown. take advantage of the clubs if you go here (GUGIF, re/infra finance clubs, etc) and any MBA classes as electives.

georgetown is also a strong name for gov sector (or adjacent) internships, with a lot of them during fall/spring semester. georgetown msb can also help you find internships with congress reps. definitely take advantage of that if you find something PUI related.

 

Not even reputation from a total placements perspective. For everything including IB PE HF VC Georgetown gets you looks. Sure you're not as "prestigious" as a Duke/Yale, but you place just as good for the most part. Look at Blackstone, GS, MS, EVR (40 smth ppl there). You'll be fine...

 

I just accepted my georgetown MSF. The safety was applying to Baruch but that would be a pretty risky MSF role . Everyone I've met has spoken postively about it. I'm considering leaving my job to go full time. But they told me I would be pretty bored if I did leave my job to go full time. the work load is approx 10-15 a week. 15-20 for the harder classes in year 2.

 

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