A career advisor from my school recently suspended me from using my school's career website and other career resources, so I can no longer submit my resume on this site until this issue gets resolved. The reason was that he got off the phone with a MM investment bank recruiter I was in contact with and told me "tarnished this school's reputation by providing inconsistent information." He didn't mention the recruiter's name or what office, but I have an idea because I've been in contact with only 2 recruiters.
But I don't understand. I go to a non-target school, and this investment bank already doesn't recruit from my school, except for a few locations, but I know those offices are very small. There's only two big offices where the interns might be placed and neither offices recruit here.
Second, I don't know what "repeated" unacceptable behavior I've committed. I haven't spoken to the recruiters in months. I spoke with one of them recently and she only stated I should set up a time to speak with another one.
I have a hunch as to what this could be about: I wanted to apply full-time and had submitted a resume. But I decided to delay my graduation to build up work experience (I never had an IBD internship before), so I withdrew that full-time application and told the second recruiter that I would be graduating December 2014 and looking for an internship.
I'm hoping this is all just a misunderstanding and that the recruiters just jumped to conclusions too soon. I've literally been trying to get in touch with both of them for months. My other thought is they might be annoyed with me because I'm trying to contact them all the time. I also know the CEO of this company, so maybe they're pissed I'm having the CEO bug them. But in those cases, is it wrong? I was just trying to get my foot in the door. If a recruiter doesn't respond to me, I'm just supposed to quit?
Regardless, I'm meeting with the associate dean soon and I don't think it's going to go well, so I'm bracing for the worst. If I were guilty of "tarnishing the school's reputation" what would be my punishment? Should I get a lawyer?
And this would be my first offense. I originally received an email about violating my school's code of professional conduct, pertaining to behavior outside the classroom, but the policy in that section is pretty vague.
Don't lose sleep over it. They are not going to do anything to you. They will need to have very good case before they do anything to you, and from what you provided it seems that they have nothing on you
It happened to me before man. Go to their supervisors (bunch of school deans and say how they treated you for such a petty reason). Tell them that part of your tuition pays for OCR so they should immediately reverse it. One problem is that Careers office is technically a separate entity so make sure to find their superior and complain about them big time. That helped me but it really sucked cause those fuckers blocked me off some decent companies for recruiting. Thank God the best companies don't recruit on my campus so my apps there were not affected. PM me if you need some advice on how to deal with nasty careers services. It took a while to fix my problem with them.
I'd reach out to faculty you are close with, fill them in, and see what they recommend. May refer you to someone/go to bat for you. You'd be surprised how much weight they can pull.
Wow, this is a really tricky situation. If you still don't have OCR access, I'm sure you've made some close friends who can relay recruiter information to you (email, phone, drop deadlines, etc.) so you can still drop resumes/cover letters, even if not through career services.
One time I cancelled an interview (after the cancellation deadline), by sending the recruiter an apologetic email stating that I had something come up. This was like two days before interviews were set to take place. The recruiter emailed me back saying that would be fine. When I never signed in for my interview, I was subsequently blocked from all OCR stuff. I simply went to Career Services and explained that I had reached out to the rectuiter a couple days before and everything was fine with them. They subsequently reinstated me after I showed them the email conversation.
This is not a big deal. Just explain your situation. If what you're telling us is 100% true, you haven't done anything wrong.
Not a tricky situation at all, go to a Dean and tell them.
And if meeting with the associate dean doesn't work well, should I take it to the dean of the entire school?
Should I also get a lawyer?
Obviously don't get a lawyer because you don't want to piss off career services even more. Go the the main dean the one they report to. That dean is the only person who has a say in how they deal with you.
I'm also afraid that this becomes he said/she said scenario: I say something and the recruiter say something else. The school i probably going to side with the recruiter (possibly against the school's policy and reputation). What's going to happen then? Should I find a lawyer at that point?
Ok so it turns out the company recruiters were annoyed with the fact that I kept contacting them and even contacting the CEO, but is that wrong?
They told my school they wanted to end all contact with me and that I have no candidacy of the company, yet one of these recruiters just told me last week that we should schedule a call together in the future. So from that conversation, it sounds like they still want to talk to me.
What have I done wrong?
If you really know the CEO of the company... why don't you ask him/her?
How often did you contact the company / CEO? Any inappropriate message in any of your e-mails?
Also, since the firm told your school that you have no candidacy, the one recruiter that wants to schedule a call is either 1) oblivious of the firm contacting the school about you, or 2) just being nice.
I have contacted the CEO a grand total of 4 times int the past 8 months. I've been instructed to never contact this company again.
No what I meant was I didn't talk to the CEO all that much. The recruiters called my school saying they don't want anything to do with me (Idk if the CEO was in on it, though he probably wasn't). Regardless, my career advisors instructed me to never call the company again.
I think the CEO might help, but I can't reach out to you. I'm already in boiling water as it is.
Did you have some sort of relationship with the CEO of the company?
Also, how can the OCR tell you to basically f*ck off? Don't you pay tuition?
I happen to know the CEO because his son and I are friends. That's all.
The career advisor suspended me from accessing OCR (And other resources), and in these period of time, forcing me to miss several important deadlines. Yes I'm paying tuition but they'll just say that using the OCR is a privilege, not a right.
You need to straighten shit out with that office pronto, especially when what you did doesn't appear to be any sort of misconduct. Go talk to the person in charge.
Doesn't sound like a very good friend.
Talk to your friend then you clown. If you're friends with the CEOs son and you cant talk to the CEO, maybe you friend can shoot dear old dad a text and be all "Y U Ban Mi Boi frum FO Dad?! WTF"
I definitely feel like there is something going on here that we not being told about
I have a feeling he was e-mailing non-stop for months (not just to the CEO) and kept mentioning his connection to the CEO. I know that would piss me off big time...clearly the full story not being told here. You have to be pretty damn annoying to get a reaction like that...and the fact that you are asking if you shoudl get a lawyer I think points to a low level of EQ. If it's a misunderstanding, or if I had overpursued a position or annoyed someone to that point, I'd make damn sure that I apologized and send them a gift, letting them know that they won't hear from me again.
Word can spread fast if you are entitled / hyper-aggressive / annoying, or worse, all 3. Clearly we're only hearing 1 side here, but at the very least you shoudl be able to get privileges back by discussing with the dean if you express regret and apologize to OCR. Don't be that guy that shits on everyone he thinks is "below" him because of some connection he has, then acts surprised when the CEO says "fuck this kid" after the 4th email...you need to get a hint. I don't care if he is your friends dad - show some respect for his time and his firm's time.
My 2 cents, Patrick
OP probably sexually harassed one of the recruiters.
But seriously, you're not telling the whole story. Spit it out!
Well you sum it kind of well but not exactly. I never mentioned my connection to the CEO with the recruiters. I focused mainly on contacting the recruiters, and the CEO only if I really didn't hear back. But if you happen to know the CEO and really want to get your foot in the door and running out of time wouldn't you reach out to him too? Again, I contacted the CEO 4 times in 8 months; that's not a lot.
Also knowing the CEO doesn't help as much for this company because he's not involved in recruiting and each office does its own recruiting. Knowing the CEO doesn't mean he's going to barge into an office and threaten to fire someone if I'm not accepted. Maybe for other companies, knowing the CEO can get you in, but this is not one of those companies. I knew that way ahead of time.
I did not sexually harass the recruiters. I have told the whole story. The recruiters really appeared to be annoyed that I was trying to contact them too much, and they thought I might've been harassing them. I never said anything inappropriate; I just tried too hard. There's a line between persistence and annoyance and it's obvious I stepped over it.
The CEO probably also doesn't know about this at all because again, recruiting isn't among his responsibilities.
Regardless of the case, my school doesn't care enough to give me back access to the OCR (if they ever will) ASAP. They don't have time to meet until early next week, and by then, I would've already missed several important interview sign-ups (Already forced to miss one). I realize my mistake, but at the same time, denying me access to the OCR is just going to make matters worse. The school claims to want to help me, but I find that hard to believe by forcing me to not sign-up for interviews.
It kinda is.
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