Comments (86)

Jun 27, 2009

Whats with the variance?

Jun 27, 2009
big unit:

Whats with the variance?

big c has an internal ranking system, from 1 to 5, 1 is the top analysts, 4 and 5 will get the same bonus, 5 guys may get fired...

Jun 27, 2009

I'm very skeptical of the 50K(possibly even the 38) number coming from a BB, and Citi no less.

Jun 27, 2009
Marcus_Halberstram:

I'm very skeptical of the 50K(possibly even the 38) number coming from a BB, and Citi no less.

I think the reason that you are skeptical is because people (with absolutely no knowledge) on this board keep throwing out numbers like "20K will be top bucket" or "you are lucky just to have a job."

The reality is that these bonuses are still 50% less than last year which is shitty enough. People on WSO set the expectations so low and therefore no one wants to believe these numbers, even though they are bad numbers albeit not as bad as the concensus on WSO.

Just shows that there is way too much speculation on this board.

Jun 27, 2009

citi GTS 1st yr got 20%-30% of base as bonus this year, thats about 12k ~ 18k range

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Jun 27, 2009

Monkeygames, I can confirm the top bucket at Citi from a friend. Anyone else have numbers?
-NVS

Jun 27, 2009

No, I'm skeptical because I know what others at BB that fared far better than Citi received for their bonus.

Also... No Analyst1 received 100K last year.

Jun 28, 2009

I have no reason to believe that two people in this thread are lying, so maybe you can share what your buddies got as bonuses, and if they were a lot lower than maybe it was because they weren't top bucket.

...and I don't know what the IBD numbers were for 2008 because I don't work in IBD but here is the dealbreaker spreadsheet from last year that was floating around before/during bonus season:

http://dealbreaker.com/2008/05/2008_bonus_payouts.php
Looks like at least some were earning 100K, but even if not then I don't understand why you have to single out top bucket to try to dispute and argue that bonuses aren't 50% lower. Let's take middle bucket (from the OP) of 25K, I am pretty sure that middle bucket was at least 50K last year for most BB's. Therefore I stand by what I said that these bonuses would still be no more than 50% of least year's which are shitty numbers for the amount of work you put in no matter the economy.

Jun 28, 2009

I can confirm that 50k was the top bucket for C. Other banks are still waiting to hear.

Jun 28, 2009

i heard 50

Jun 28, 2009

also they are raising salaries for analysts and associates in IBD and ER.

Jun 28, 2009

Were these just for IBD or S&T too? If Citi is paying out this much to first years, only seems reasonable to think the profitable TARP repaying banks would have to be in-line with this.

Jun 28, 2009

Raising salaries for analysts? To what?

God...my bank needs to do the same...

Jun 28, 2009

I've also heard 50k at Citi for banking as well as 45k for Lehman.

Jun 28, 2009

I am not surprised by decent bonuses this year, analysts work so hard and are such a small part of the overall costs of the firm - and numerically fewer than higher up employees. Got to make sure they have enough money for food and an occasional bottle somewhere. Otherwise spreadsheet errors and broken pitches will infect the pipeline.

Jun 28, 2009

Any color on second year bonus range? Thanks

Jun 28, 2009

our 1st year range was mid 20s to high 40s

Jun 28, 2009

Barcap: 45/38/20/??? and base moves to 70

Jun 28, 2009

Base moves to 70 for 1st years, Juwanna?

Damn, seems every bank is moving to 70k per year.

Jun 28, 2009

base should move up to 70 for all now-2nd-years, right?

Jun 28, 2009

So does anyone know which banks have moved their base to 70K? I know MS for sure.

Jun 28, 2009

In addition to Morgan, Goldman, I believe, moved base to 70k for 1st years.

I guess Citi and Barcap are following suit.

Jul 4, 2009
Devils Advocate:

In addition to Morgan, Goldman, I believe, moved base to 70k for 1st years.

I guess Citi and Barcap are following suit.

Same for RBS

Apr 24, 2013

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Jun 29, 2009

I heard that the first bracket at Citi was 50K and second bracket was 45K. Not sure about the lower levels or other banks though.

Jun 29, 2009

How do most of your bases go up? Mine has been going up in 5K increments every year, with a larger bump when I changed banks. But... here's my question....

Base was previously about 60... so lets take a GOldman analyst:
Analyst1- 60
Analyst2- 65
Analyst3- 70

Now they decide to raise the base for Analyst1, so essentially the Analyst3 is making the same base as a first year? Doesn't make sense... I'm assuming the Analyst3 will get a larger bump... so will be at 80K? is that an accurate assessment?

Can we please refrain from prospective monkeys commenting on how they think it works or what their friends have experienced... I'd like to hear from people who actually experienced this.

Jun 29, 2009
Marcus_Halberstram:

Now they decide to raise the base for Analyst1, so essentially the Analyst3 is making the same base as a first year? Doesn't make sense... I'm assuming the Analyst3 will get a larger bump... so will be at 80K? is that an accurate assessment?

bump across the board, not just first years.

Jun 29, 2009

we went up by 10k every year.

Analyst 1 - 60
Analyst 2 - 70 (changed when we received our bonus)
Analyst 3 - 80

If they decide to raise base, I'd assume it'd be a bump across the board.

Jun 29, 2009

"Today in Monday Morning Hilarity: we're to believe that second tier, first year analysts at Citi are getting $42k. Could this possibly be true? Is Vikram just saying "fuck it, I dare them to fire me?" (in which case we feel an deep kinship with Pandito at this time). Are they banking Geithner not having the pair to actually do something about it, or the fact that they'll be out of business in less than a year anyway (I kid but seriously: anything could happen)? Or is this less likely than Prince Alwaleed sending everyone a pony and button down to match?"

---DealBreaker

...So 50k Tier 1, 42K Tier 2 so far for Citi.

Jun 29, 2009
Chim Chim:

"Today in Monday Morning Hilarity: we're to believe that second tier, first year analysts at Citi are getting $42k. Could this possibly be true? Is Vikram just saying "fuck it, I dare them to fire me?" (in which case we feel an deep kinship with Pandito at this time). Are they banking Geithner not having the pair to actually do something about it, or the fact that they'll be out of business in less than a year anyway (I kid but seriously: anything could happen)? Or is this less likely than Prince Alwaleed sending everyone a pony and button down to match?"

---DealBreaker

...So 50k Tier 1, 42K Tier 2 so far for Citi.

Sorry but second tier is actually really good, because most will end up in the third tier. Second and first tier is for the best and not that many will end up in those tiers.

Everyone keeps looking at the 50K 1st tier bonus numbers, while they should instead focus on the 25K (from OP) for third tier which is where most analysts end up.

...and 25K is a shitty bonus, so people need to stop getting overly excited about the 50K first tier number

Jun 30, 2009
stk123:
Chim Chim:

"Today in Monday Morning Hilarity: we're to believe that second tier, first year analysts at Citi are getting $42k. Could this possibly be true? Is Vikram just saying "fuck it, I dare them to fire me?" (in which case we feel an deep kinship with Pandito at this time). Are they banking Geithner not having the pair to actually do something about it, or the fact that they'll be out of business in less than a year anyway (I kid but seriously: anything could happen)? Or is this less likely than Prince Alwaleed sending everyone a pony and button down to match?"

---DealBreaker

...So 50k Tier 1, 42K Tier 2 so far for Citi.

Sorry but second tier is actually really good, because most will end up in the third tier. Second and first tier is for the best and not that many will end up in those tiers.

Everyone keeps looking at the 50K 1st tier bonus numbers, while they should instead focus on the 25K (from OP) for third tier which is where most analysts end up.

...and 25K is a shitty bonus, so people need to stop getting overly excited about the 50K first tier number

Good point and I think it underlines how many prospective monkeys are on here. Before I started I'd always think/talk about top tier as the base when in reality it's only a couple of guys who get it, maybe even like 5-10%. I guess it depends on banks but I know at mine the majority of ppl are lumped in the middle for the simple reason that those reviews cannot be fully objective across the bank as a whole, you can only really identify very good and very bad analysts for certain on an intragroup level.

$25k is pretty crappy, I've heard of ppl in 06 getting equivalent amounts and being told they should probably think of shipping out in the next 3-6 months whereas now they'd have been fired way before bonuses.
And before some loser comes on and tells me how you need to be top 10% or else you suck, please get a job at a bank first.

Jun 29, 2009

Here are the top tier first year analyst bonus numbers I've gathered so far. Feel free to dispute:

Barclays - $45K
BMO Capital Markets - $60K
Citi - $50K
Cowen - $40K
JPMorgan - $50K
Lazard - $40K
UBS - $45K

Here are the banks that have raised their base by 10K (i.e. 70K base for first year analysts, 80K base for second years, and so on):

GS
MS
UBS
Citi (rumored)

I haven't heard of Barclays doing this. Can anyone confirm?

Jun 30, 2009
killscallion:

Here are the top tier first year analyst bonus numbers I've gathered so far. Feel free to dispute:

Barclays - $45K
BMO Capital Markets - $60K
Citi - $50K
Cowen - $40K
JPMorgan - $50K
Lazard - $40K
UBS - $45K

Here are the banks that have raised their base by 10K (i.e. 70K base for first year analysts, 80K base for second years, and so on):

GS
MS
UBS
Citi (rumored)

I haven't heard of Barclays doing this. Can anyone confirm?

How are the base pay rates being raised by 10k, when all incoming 2009 first year analysts have already signed a contract saying base is 60k???

Jun 30, 2009

I signed an offer letter with the Big 4 a year ago for an internship and they decided to decrease pay by $1/hour so they just sent out a new offer letter and told everyone to sign it. It was bullshit.

Jun 29, 2009

Don't some of those banks give out bonus's in Jan, not the summer, even for analysts? I seem to recall hearing about them a few months ago (and significantly lower).

Jun 30, 2009

Just Goldman Sachs, and yes, first-year analysts at GS received $7K stub bonus across the board. They probably feel screwed right now, but I'm sure their bonuses will be good this December given that GS IB is doing very well.

Millenia:

Don't some of those banks give out bonus's in Jan, not the summer, even for analysts? I seem to recall hearing about them a few months ago (and significantly lower).

Jun 29, 2009

What is the deal with BMO CM? Ambitious I would say.

Jun 30, 2009

BMO has consistently paid above market, even during the boom times. I know someone who has received 110K as a first-year analyst bonus in 2006.

glowinthedark:

What is the deal with BMO CM? Ambitious I would say.

Jun 29, 2009

What about BOA-ML? I'm guessing its in line with Citi considering its fairing much better but still under TARP and headquartered in North Carolina where rent of $600 for a nice place.

Also, IB bonuses for 1st years have been fairly consistent with S&T and ER in the past - guesses on the correlation these days?

And what about MBB - still in the tight 5-10K range? Maybe a few 15K top buckets out there?

Jun 29, 2009

Thanks for the numbers.....anyone have an idea for some MM places like TWP, Jefferies, Sagent, William Blair, etc....?

Jun 30, 2009

question - im a first year analyst at a BB in S&T. completely lost when you guys indicate pay differences among tier 1 vs 2, etc. could someone get me up to speed on this?

another thing, what if i'm the only 1st year analyst in my group? am i tier 1 by proxy? :D

Jun 30, 2009

Fuck, I need to have some words with my MD/HR.

Jun 30, 2009

Credit Suisse: salary bump of $10K, rumored top tier bonus of $60K for second years

Jun 30, 2009

so that salary bump is for incoming CS first years, kllscallion?

They will get 70k now?

Jun 30, 2009

Contracts for 2009 analysts were signed last year with a $70,000 base salary - at least for Goldman.

Jun 30, 2009

Because even if you sign for 60k, they can raise it despite the contract.

This happened at one BB several years ago - in the raise to 60k.

Jun 30, 2009

Haha dude I don't think anyone will be objecting to that particular breach of contract..

Jun 30, 2009
endlessrain:

Haha dude I don't think anyone will be objecting to that particular breach of contract..

I think he might.

Jun 30, 2009

It went from $28 to $27. I was just illustrating the point that they can change the offer pretty easily in either direction

Jun 30, 2009

I wasn't being sarcastic I was genuinely surprised that they actually went through the trouble of decreasing it by a dollar.

Jun 30, 2009

@Halberstram - where did you get that user icon?

Jun 30, 2009

If I had a nickel everytime someone on this forum asked me that, I'd have like a dollar 30... but still thats a lot of fuckin people.

Its from a Tom Ford campaign.

Jul 1, 2009

Marcus, I dare you to use this http://www.jossip.com/wp/docs/2007/10/tom-ford.JPG as your avatar for 72 hours. It's from the same campaign anyways.

I'll paypal $20 if you win.

Jul 1, 2009
PussInBoots:

Marcus, I dare you to use this http://www.jossip.com/wp/docs/2007/10/tom-ford.JPG as your avatar for 72 hours. It's from the same campaign anyways.

I'll paypal $20 if you win.

10:51 AM, July 1, 2009

Jul 1, 2009

I heard KKR/BX/TPG is 80K

Jul 1, 2009
artmonkey:

I heard KKR/BX/TPG is 80K

This is for starting analysts in PE?

Jul 1, 2009

from a friend, UBS 2nd yr top IBD 60

Jul 1, 2009
iambateman:

from a friend, UBS 2nd yr top IBD 60

Any word on the other tiers at UBS IBD??

Jul 1, 2009
rightplacewrongtime:
iambateman:

from a friend, UBS 2nd yr top IBD 60

Any word on the other tiers at UBS IBD??

Usually you can guess the bonus number by tier within 5K if you only have one number for that class. This year the dollar difference between the top tier and the bottom tier is not that great anyway.

Jul 1, 2009

lol marcus. epic.

Jul 1, 2009

That pic reminds me of a picture of 2 chiseled guys lying naked on a couch sensually spooning.... very artistically photographed, in sepia perhaps. Anyway, I disabled the Norton security and set that picture as the background on the computers in the computer lab while I was still in college.

Whats really going to be funny is people's reactions who haven't seen this thread.

Who else wants to throw some money in the pot... we're upto 20 beans, Ill use an avatar of 2 dudes blowing each other for $50 a day. I'm sure MichaelHutchins will happily contribute so long as theres a facial.

Jul 1, 2009
Marcus_Halberstram:

I'm sure MichaelHutchins will happily contribute so long as theres a facial.

LOL

Jul 4, 2009

Alright Marcus, where should I paypal those damn $20 just so you take down that picture. You make threads slightly gay, haha.

Jul 5, 2009
PussInBoots:

Alright Marcus, where should I paypal those damn $20 just so you take down that picture. You make threads slightly gay, haha.

Haha.

http://adamfrey.us/?page_id=3
You can click the Donate button which will direct you to the PayPal link.

Jul 1, 2009

lol im sorry i asked. this got out of hand.

Jul 4, 2009

Macquarie has been $70k for firsts for at least one year

Jul 6, 2009

Done

Jul 6, 2009
PussInBoots:

Done

Thanks, its a worthy cause. Whats a little homo-erotica between monkeys, anyway.

Jul 12, 2009

any chance of base increase in the UK as well?

Jul 12, 2009

Macquarie has had a 70K base for at least a year, BUT also the bonuses for 1st years were 5K across the board. Yes, you heard it, 5K across the board with no variance based on performance at all.

Jul 12, 2009

I have a friend who works as an i-banker for Macquarie and he also told 5k, but he said that was stub

Jul 12, 2009

Nope, that's not a stub. Stubs got 3-4K depending on when they started. Majority of the 08 class (started in August) actually got closer to 3K.

Jul 12, 2009

macguy, are you confirming that 1st/2nd/3rd years were paid 70/80/90k for the LTM?

Jul 14, 2009

First years got 10 signing bonus, 70 base, and 5 bonus, but no raise. Second years used to get a raise to 90 base after the first year, but not anymore.. Not sure what 2nd years' and 3rd years' bonuses were, but my guess is less than 10K since many associates got around 10K.

Jul 14, 2009

...and yes, I can confirm, I've got it from a very reliable source.

Jul 16, 2009

BOA-ML gave S&T 40K and Research 30K...stub...depending on what they got in December (prob 10K?) they did well for themselves

Any word on IB?

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