How are bonuses looking this year? Sounds like Deutsche got hammered and Morgan Stanley was down 15%.
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Heard banks were getting squeezed. Big buckets for boutiques though.
Heard JPM was flat
VP bonus increased slightly, Associates doubled bonuses
Bonus pools seem to be down 10-15% across the Street. For junior bankers, the key is how much of that MDs will absorb.
MS certainly had more of it fall on analysts and associates from what I've heard. Citi seems to have shifted more of it to MDs (i.e the numbers I've heard for associates actually seem flat to even up relative to last year).
No European banks have given numbers yet, including DB. There are rumors about DB possibly not giving cash bonuses at all, or only giving to 10% of employees, but nothing has been communicated at any of the non-US banks.
I heard (from someone at DB, who heard from his MD) that analyst / associate are going to be street. VP and above are going to get zero cash bonus so the firm can tell their shareholders they're not paying bonuses for 2016.
Heard DB is going under. The Fortress will receive 100% market share in coming days.
Middle Market Shop bonuses are looking exceptional. It's where the real money is in this new economy. Left a BB three years ago and have seen bigger bonuses every year.
any data points/specific banks you're referring to?
Great name haha +1
lmao hilarious
remember when people on this form wouldn't even fathom the idea of the world outside of BB? how the days have changed
BB is great to learn, but it feels like there is better opportunity outside now.
Cut your teeth working some dog hours at a BB, if you get some traction moving up then awesome. If not, head to a fancy boutique with better hours.
Sounds like win-win to me.
100% agree with this. Same experience.
When do people actually receive their bonus? I know it varies depending about the firm, but generally speaking, do people receive their bonus in Jan, Feb, etc.?
usually announced by mid feb, paid by month end
UBS is slowest (Feb/March) and Jefferies is earliest (December)
We got numbers second week of Jan. Funds should hit accounts by the end of the month/early feb
I'm not in banking, but work sell side research for a boutique bank. Bonus +11% Y/Y Salary +8% Y/Y - I'll take it.
"all the way up"
For IB coverage / M&A 2nd year associate, mid bucket to top bucket: MS - $110-170k JPM - $145-205k
wow JPM numbers look solid? can anyone else confirm that for second year associate.
Can't confirm JPM, but MS numbers are about what I've heard from them. JPM are aligned with what I've heard at another America BB.
can confirm that this is accurate for JPM
Is that for all in or just bonus?
This can't be right.
Just bonus.
Are these number massively better than S&T bonuses? That's what it seems like to me.
MM firm: flat vs. last year. 150/170/190 all-in for top of the range. Think they stuck a few more into bucket 2 and a few more into bottom two buckets..
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Is that scaled first year-second year-third year. Cause if so thats basically how my MM firm top bucket was as well. for A1: bucket one was 150-bucket 2-140 Bucket 3-130, bucket for 110. Add 15 for each level you are up in the food chain. Only Bucket one and two get promoted from A3 given what I see.
1st/2nd/3rd year analysts at MM IB.
Is there a regional difference ? Seems that JPM associate all in comp was way lower in the U.K. Than in the US
Expected, no?
Any ideas why this is the case? (Comp being lower in London).
Any info on HK comps? Imagine it'd be lower but would love to know by how much.
HK where KyloRen? Also GS got bonuses this week
Would love to know GS and JPM stats if possible, thanks!
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Citi N2 - 85/65/50.
N2?
2nd year analyst
USD?
Yes
i hear fees are also lower in EMEA anyway. sucks to not be american these days :/
Baml Top - A1 -$140 bonus; $290 all in, A2-$180 bonus, $355 all in; A3 - $235 bonus, $435 all in. All those figures include 20% deferred stock in the bonus figure.
In Charlotte those are absolutely insane numbers.
Keep in mind maybe 1 person per group gets top but those are the headline numbers.
That's crazy how huge the difference is between top bucket and middle. I have friends at BAML who were mid bucket or slightly above A2 and A3 and their total comp were 275-320 and 360 all-in. Sounds like very very few people got top bucket.
A $20k-30k difference in all-in comp between top and middle buckets is peanuts when you're talking about after tax income in this bracket.
Anyone have more numbers?
Top MM N1 $75k top bucket
I've seen speculation on efinancial news I think (google Perella Weinberg Bonuses or something similar) 300k GBP associates, 500k GBP VPs
Not sure if there is a thread for TECH bonuses.
My numbers are below: Level - Associate (L2/L3)
Base - up 12% YoY Bonus - up 128% YoY (yes, that is not a typo, tells you how low my last year's bonus was).
This is for GS.
Cheers, Rick.
Can you give us the ranges for GS bonuses for different associate years?
As you might expect, this varies.
I know of few L2/L3 associates who were flat, few were down 3-6% overall, and only one who got his values similar to mine above. Of Analysts L2, most of the folks I knew were up (not sure of % points), but almost all of them were up a few %. Again, this is only in TECH.
While I do know some folks in other divisions, I'm not aware of their comp info.
holla back, office
Someone needs to summarize this like last year. By now everyone should have gotten comp except for CS and DB
so...
assoc 2, what are some bonus ranges we should be expecting? assume 175k base (bb standard comp). or all in is fine too...
all in of 275-325?
Can I ask which company / area / division you are referring to, with these numbers?
I'm Assoc2, but my numbers are no where close to that (TECH).
Tech is mid or back office?
Anyone know the bonus buckets for first year analysts at EBs?
Thanks!
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DB juniors are being very shielded, compared to the rest of the firm, from what I am hearing as as a headhunter. Comparative to most of the firm, they're crushing it. Fairly in line with street, obviously a bit below but to me this is most indicative that the firm intends to move back up the comp chain, and they've been giving the largest base salary increases across the board for analysts and associates. From what I remember, for most of this century DB has the spot to be for comp - this seems like their strategy is to get back to that status, bodes well for everyone in the shop if they can make it happen.
DB IB (very clear they're taking care of the groups they're focusing on building long-term, the others not so much, base salary % increases much lower than markets across the board - which is interesting).
Analyst 1 - 20k stub Analyst 2 - 40k - 75k Analyst 3 - 45k - 85k Associate 1 - 60k -100k Associate 2 - 75k - 140k
DB Markets (big differences between fixed income and equities, they're coming in above street in a lot of what I'm seeing for fixed income, seeing very wide ranges - highly product dependent. Also, a lot of those with low bonus numbers are reporting 15-20% + base increases, balancing it out).
Analyst 1 - 20 - 25k stub (non-equities seems to be getting an extra 5) Analyst 2 - 20 - 60k Analyst 3 - 27k - 90k Associate 1 - 30k - 110k Associate 2 - 55k - 150k
Interesting seeing how much people tend to value additional base versus bonus, although from other experience that value-edge tends to taper off at around 200k base.
Keep in mind my ranges are controlled for outliers (not putting my guys at risk), and are based on only what I'm seeing.
You're saying DB is increasing Associate 2 base for some people from $175k to as much as $315k--which is higher than VP3 salary across the Street? I get that this is in lieu of bonus but this makes absolutely no sense unless this is going with $0 bonus with this---and they'll still have retention problems b/c people's comp will be paid throughout the year and they will not be missing on any deferred comp or bonus to leave. The play here would be to take your ridiculous base salary for 6 months and then flip ovrer to another bank and get a fully year mid bucket bonus there. Am I misunderstanding what you are saying? I'm highly skeptical of what you lay out.
Pretty sure those were bonus numbers and he was talking in general re: base increases.
This literally cannot be true as DB has not disseminated bonuses to juniors (analysts / associates). Those announcements happen this week.
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Heard rumor Credit Suisse basically paid street to VP and below this year after couple years of being way under.
Think BarCap and a few laggers got their numbers last week.
bump - any other information on associate bonuses?
Anything on BarCap?
Bueller?
UBS protected analysts this year. approx ranges: AN2 50-70k; AN3: 70-100k
Solid MM - Class of 2016:
Analyst 1: 85k base, 10k signing, 20k stub for everyone
BB S&T
A2 - 140k Base & 90k Bonus
DB junior numbers out. Using $$$ to keep junior level happy, but won't stop exodus once figures hit bank accounts. Can only speak to analyst level: N1: 25k stub
N2: general range of 55k-85k, bit higher or tighter depending on group. N3: cannot confirm range, but have generally heard 90+, This may be because those with good numbers tend to be more vocal
Everyone also got a group based bonus, depending on whether their group hit KPIs. This translates to upwards of ~2.5k for 1st years, ~6.5k for 2nd years, and ~8k for 3rd years, in addition to their individual variable comp.
I'm sure everyone is coming to this page to read this post, but Management Consulting was dog balls. That is all.
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Anyone know what the average energy bonus in Houston looked like for analysts?
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