CFA Weekend

Time to get it done, Saturday is the day. A little last minute for this post but: Who's taking it/What level/What number will this attempt be/How are you feeling about it?

I'll be siting for level 2, will be my second go at it. Passed level 1 first try the previous December and didn't have enough time to get through all of level 2 last year. I have to say I feel much more prepared this year having had a full 6 months to go through the material. Still, I'll never feel fully confident about a test that fails more than half of its takers.

How's it looking?

 

Just graduated school. taking L1 for the first time and I'm pretty nervous. with classes and job hunting and this,and trying to have a social life, it was hard to manage it all. Worst comes to worst I'll take L1 in december. good luck to everyone

 

whats your take on the designation man? Will the structural change in Asset Management, I'm simply not as motivated to go through with it. I'm trying to get on the institutional sales/distribution side of the business in a non research role.

We're not lawyers. We're investment bankers. We didn't go to Harvard. We Went to Wharton!
 

Taking Level I Heading into senior year (had senior credit standing as junior) Feeling okay overall. Weakest section is definitely Quant (mainly the stats) and strongest sections are fixed income and FRA. Been doing ~200 QBank questions a day to review and I still don't feel 100% How have you guys been doing on practice exams?

 

You'll never feel 100% confident going in. The few people I have known that felt like they had various levels in the bag generally ended up failing. The exams do not inspire confidence in oneself (until after you find out you passed). They inspire self-doubt. Try your best not to allow your mental state to swing too far in either direction and you'll be able to focus on the task at hand. Good luck.

EDIT: I didn't read far enough down to see ai215's comment about not feeling 100% confident. Sorry about that. I reiterate your point.

"Successful investing is anticipating the anticipation of others". - John Maynard Keynes
 

Secyh62 same trajectory as me, you'll be good to go this time around.

L3 time for me, hoping to be done forever after Saturday. Feeling good, but as CFA vets know, you can never feel 100%. I've put in more work than I ever did for previous levels, so i'm hoping that gets me over the final 55% pass rate

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Ya my worst two sections right now are derivatives and FRA so I'm working on those two the most in these last two days, but I agree, a lot of my score is going to be the draw. If its equity, corp finance, and ethics max weights I should pass no issue but if derivs or FRA get max weights I'll be cutting it a little closer. Averaging 70 after 3 full schweser mocks which is much better than where I was this time last year, but still tough to feel confident.

 

Level II, first attempt here. I definitely did not get in the amount of time I dedicated to Level I in December 16. The timing on completing the L1 and then having to wait until February before you can get materials really hurts. Between that and speed bumps at work I am about 3 weeks behind where I wanted to be.

Also, FWIW I started with the quant section and it really drained my motivation for the exam. By the time I got into the content I find more stimulating I was questioning whether I still wanted to do it, and it took me some time to ramp back up and get motivated. So I have a feeling I'll be LII again next year....FcK.

(PS: If I worked as hard on studying as I did in coming up with all the above excuses I would probably pass)

 

would be so much better if they offered levels 2 and 3 in december too...so much easier to study when you aren't distracted by patio weather and thirst traps at the pool

 

Taking L1 on Saturday. Not feeling too great (mocks have fluctuated from 55-75) but I've heard from lots of people that the mocks are more difficult. Been slacking the past two weeks in studying (first job out of ugrad). I guess we'll see what happens.

 

Really not looking forward to L2 tomorrow. December L1 could not have gone smoother, I was extremely well prepared and actually enjoyed studying. I think I burnt myself out a little and work life really picked up since. The worst part about CFA prep is the fact of how easy it is for life to get in the way and you to really lose track of days quickly and missed study days add up fast. Gonna keep that PMA but think I'm gonna need two cracks at it this time. Good luck L1 & L3. I hope a lot of you Level 2 guys do awful to be honest.

 
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When the moderators say pencils down, they really just mean "ok guys start wrapping up what you are doing. Feel free to spend a couple more minutes on this problem and finish up when you feel comfortable." The myth that you have to stop when they say pencils down is just haters that don't want you to get an extra question right.

Also, make sure to talk about the exam and the questions right after you finish them with each other. Honestly, if you feel comfortable, just assume you passed and start calling yourself a Level III candidate.

Just the fact that you even want to study for the exam, the institute trusts that you will be a CFA one day, so also just feel free to add those three letters to your name early while you're at it.

Don't forget, it's only gay if you look at the other guy's dick.

That's about it for now. Rules to live by.

We're not lawyers. We're investment bankers. We didn't go to Harvard. We Went to Wharton!
 

Level 1 tomorrow, a lot of procrastination at times, yet general dedication to the material the past 6 months. Hitting some ethics review and questions now followed by an epi of house of cards and a solid 7-8 hour snooze. I look forward to rolling in to the exam room tomorrow answering questions with speed and precision and then leaving the facility with my nutsack hanging out of my cargos to head straight to my car to rip a bowl and head home where I'll take a couple more mock exams for old times sake.

 

Level 2 today in São Paulo.

Passed the level 1 last year in my first attempt. Having less than 5 months to prepare for level 2 isn't easy, but I believe that it can be done.

 

Hey, I have just sit for lvl 2. I think I did good, but I am quite afraid I have violated the rules and my exam will be voided.. I took my fitbit with me (its a fcking watch!) to the room and, like I would do with any other watch, I took it off my wrist and placed it on the desk. When I came back from the WC, the proctor asked me to handle the watch. So I did. After the exam I asked the proctor if there was going to be a written report about the fcking watch, she told me she had to write a report but that she would say that I was not wearing it, nor looking at it. So, short question: How fcked am I?

 

Did well on Ethics, QM, CF, Equity. and FRA. More or less on AI, Econ, PM Bad on Fixed Income, Derivatives

Think it's more or less what it's needed to go toward into Level 3...

 
Dimension:
Got a scholarship from my undergraduate school during my senior year to take it, so I'll be there.

Started studying on Saturday though....

I have to wonder if this was a joke, if it's not, just stop now because you are wasting your time.

 
ieatgold:
i'm averaging about 75% on practices, i can only hope i learned something from taking them. i'm sitting for level 1

That's about where I am.

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ieatgold:
i'm averaging about 75% on practices, i can only hope i learned something from taking them. i'm sitting for level 1

That's about where I am after 3 practice exams ( 72%,75%,82%) + 1000 qbank questions (79%)

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L2 for the first time this year. I took a schweser and the practice exam from the CFAI website with mid 60's and mid 80's on the test example (the 24 question set from CFAI that seemed to be kinda hidden on the website). My main method of relaxation is looking at analystforum.com and realizing how many dumb questions are asked on there, and incorrect answers then given and discussed.

 
Unforseen:
does analyst forum not allow people to create threads on june 4???

nead idea if its true...

Chad who created and runs analystforum. Shuts down the forum for 48 hours. One year people were gathering answers on a topic and say how do you do xyz. Then someone I think from India took them all and made a document with 80% of the questions.

Chad handed over the username and IP information to the CFAI.

CFA is like the secret police/mi6/cia in one. You do not mess with their rules. So now Chad basically locks the forums so no idiots can break the rules for their own good.

 
cjohn09:
L2 was brutal. I need a bar, quickly.

Analyst forum traditionally blocks any new replies/posts on the site because they don't want anyone discussing the test over the big weekend. Nothing new.

This*1o0010010

 

It's a bummer how long they take to give results. It's a god damned scan tron, lol. Analyze that shit!

I felt good about it. I was scoring in the 70-80% range on mock tests, burning out towards the end. Thankfully I took the evening off the night before and went in with a fresh mind.

The morning session definitely seemed to be easier than the schweser mocks, as people say. The afternoon had some random ones on there that I'm less certain on.

 

I think you need >70% overall for a pass.

After my experience in this exam, I believe the CFA Institute should produce different exams for every person, or at least have different versions around the room. In London we sat in pairs, and the girl on my right was blatantly glancing at my answer-sheet (which was also on my right given that I'm right handed).

Of course, I did not report it as there is no way I could actually prove it.

 
dacasale:
I think you need >70% overall for a pass.

After my experience in this exam, I believe the CFA Institute should produce different exams for every person, or at least have different versions around the room. In London we sat in pairs, and the girl on my right was blatantly glancing at my answer-sheet (which was also on my right given that I'm right handed).

Of course, I did not report it as there is no way I could actually prove it.

If she was attractive, then leverage for sex obv.

 
dacasale:
I think you need >70% overall for a pass.

it's a bit lower than that, actually. the institute puts it something like "nobody who has scored a 70% or higher has ever failed the exam." you can score lower than 70 and still pass, but that statement makes it seem like it's theoretically possible to get a 70 or above and fail (though nobody has done that).

my gut feeling is that the passing score is somewhere in the mid 60s.

Money Never Sleeps? More like Money Never SUCKS amirite?!?!?!?
 

Took Level 2 yesterday. Not sure how I feel about it honestly. I feel that if I passed, it was just barely or if I failed it was just barely. I didn't walk out feeling like I did terrible or anything, but I definitely walked out with more confidence after Level 1. Either way, I feel like if I'd have to retake it, I'd kill it next time. Just hope it doesn't come to that.

 

I feel exactly the same way on L2. I know exactly what I was weak on, knew halfway through each vignette whether I was going to nail the questions or guess, etc.

There have been many great comebacks throughout history. Jesus was dead but then came back as an all-powerful God-Zombie.
 

Level 2 was much easier than last year's Level 2. That said still 50/50 on whether I passed or not. A lot of questions were just mind numbingly simple, like too easy. I felt like I was missing something which I probably did.

 

Level 2 was a disaster for me. I felt like some of the things tested were not completely covered by Schweser, and my study was only based on that. I'll know what to look out for next year.

 

I took the level 1 and I'm really not sure if the afternoon session was harder because the actual content was harder or because I was tired as shit. I finished the morning section with an hour extra so I really should have taken a nap or something but didn't because I was busy trying to second guess if I got questions correct or not. I still feel pretty good about it though.

Kenny, if you don't mind me asking, is there any real benefit for you getting your charter with your current job or is it more of a future thing?

 

I wrote L1 on Saturday. I was averaging 75-80 on most of my practice exams in the last week, and fluked out an 88 on the Thursday before. I don't feel nearly as confident about the actual exam, though.

 
buybuybuy:
Glad to count myself among the 39% who passed level I.
congrats.
"Have you ever tried to use a chain with 3 weak links? I have, and now I no longer own an arctic wolf." -Dwight Schrute
 
R5A7B:
Passed level II here also, about 250 hours of studying. Definitely more difficult than level I, but used Schweser this time around so not too bad.

Agree with you duff, MPS does seem lower. Analyst forum showed what looked like some very low passes...

sayandarula - what band? sorry to hear

band was low enough that it's too emarassing to admit on WSO.

i did about 3 months of studying (passed LI in December, wasn't sure if i wanted to wait another year or not).... didn't keep track of hours that well but i think i came in under 200.

honestly, i felt very unconfident going in. i had contimplated just wating until 2012 due to lack of time but in the end figured the experience would help. looking forward to kicking L2's ass in 2012.

Money Never Sleeps? More like Money Never SUCKS amirite?!?!?!?
 

Passed level 1 heading into senior year. Definitely doable (I crammed for 20 days before internship started and still got >70s) especially since alot of it is review of undergrad core business curriculums.

Always be improving
 
kingtut:
Passed L2 this year. L2 is definitely much much harder than L1 and the majority of candidates find out the hard way. I put ~300 hours of studying and started in mid-March. I even managed to sneak in a bachelor party weekend two weeks before the exam :)

BOSS!

 
kingtut:
Passed L2 this year. L2 is definitely much much harder than L1 and the majority of candidates find out the hard way. I put ~300 hours of studying and started in mid-March. I even managed to sneak in a bachelor party weekend two weeks before the exam :)

Wow 300 hours in 2.5 months? Good shit, congrats!

Was this your first time taking a shot at L2?

Money Never Sleeps? More like Money Never SUCKS amirite?!?!?!?
 
whatwhatwhat:
any level 2 studying recommendations? more worried about the change in format than anything.

fucking analyst forum is cracking me up with people talking about how they're contemplating suicide because they failed level 2

I did a full read through of the CFA curriculum and think it was probably a waste of time. I say stick with Schweser for L2, although this varies by person. CFAI EOC's are helpful, though. Any mocks/sample exams you can get your hands on are definitely beneficial.

As for the new format- the biggest issue is the time constraint. Some of the vignettes were ~5-6 pages long. If you skim it, you may miss something and if you comb through it thoroughly, you end up wasting time. On the AM session of the exam I had to rush a lot at the end just to finish (and heard similar stories from other test takers). The vignette structure takes some getting used to.

Ethics is a crapshoot, just like L1- just read it the week before the exam and do all the practice vignettes. Questions are so subjective that it really just comes down to luck and have a basic knowledge of the guidelines.

I studied ~300 hours and passed. I can confidently say I did not overstudy. The MPS seemed really low from looking at people's distributions on analystforum or else my pass would have probably been "borderline". L2 is a beast but by no means impossible.

PM with any specific questions.

"For I am a sinner in the hands of an angry God. Bloody Mary full of vodka, blessed are you among cocktails. Pray for me now and at the hour of my death, which I hope is soon. Amen."
 

Passed L2 this June after Passing L1 in Dec. Only used Schweser, and started studying first week of Feb. Was out of town two weekends, so really had about 3.5 months. It was hell. I wasn't shocked that I passed, but I knew it was gonna be close. I was probably only at 200 hours for L2 and only had time to do 2 practice exams. I have an MBA and work in IM which certainly helped, but it's still pure hell.. That was the worst year of my life. Will take a few months off and then close hard on L3. Going to try to go back to back to back.

Good luck to anyone who is making the effort.

 

Good luck. Just remember, whatever happens, you're still getting trashed on Saturday night.

Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into SWANSONS.
 

Just curious, how long does it take on average to study for Level 1 considering I am a freshman and just have taken Micro Econ so far relating to the exam?

I want a lady on the street, but a freak in the bed, Go Bucks!!
 
Ambition:
Just curious, how long does it take on average to study for Level 1 considering I am a freshman and just have taken Micro Econ so far relating to the exam?

wait until your junior or senior year. it would probably take 300+ hours to learn without any sort of background (micro econ = 2% of the exam). you might as well wait until you have a solid understanding of finance, accounting, econ, quant, etc. also, you can only take one exam while still an undergraduate. pass it your freshman year and you have to wait until june after graduation to take the second (at the very earliest, you might not even be able to register as an undergrad)

"For I am a sinner in the hands of an angry God. Bloody Mary full of vodka, blessed are you among cocktails. Pray for me now and at the hour of my death, which I hope is soon. Amen."
 

Saturday night is going to be messy!

Good luck London guys, see you at the ExCel.

"After you work on Wall Street it’s a choice, would you rather work at McDonalds or on the sell-side? I would choose McDonalds over the sell-side.” - David Tepper
 

Ok first off, Ronald, and Flake,

Just because I am young doesnt mean I have no experience. I starting my own mobile marketing company, Interned at an Prop Trading firm, interned at a incubator, passed my series 7, and now have a VC internship lined up in SF ( I come from a non-target),

So I request that you dont say things like ANYBODY can get it because I had to still prove myself through my advice and my email to WSO. I know how to get internships that people can only dream of their freshman year. I can provide insight on how to network, communicate, etc.

So Flake, please dont come to conclusions about my history without knowing me.

Thanks for the advice Duff and What What SB+1 for you

I want a lady on the street, but a freak in the bed, Go Bucks!!
 

That's a lot of stuff for a 14 year old.

Kidding. My previous comment wasn't actually meant to offend/attack you or anything (crazy, right?). I'll PM you with an explanation later.

Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into SWANSONS.
 
Flake:
That's a lot of stuff for a 14 year old.

Kidding. My previous comment wasn't actually meant to offend/attack you or anything (crazy, right?). I'll PM you with an explanation later.

There he goes again, PMing the younger boys.

In all seriousness, good luck. I took my L1 this spring so I know exactly how you are feeling (you just want to see what's going to be on the test). If you have any questions feel free to PM me.

 

Thanks Rothyman,

My dad has the textbooks (he has his CFA), but when I ask him how hard it is and shit, he just says that it took him 3 days to get ready for it (then again he did his BS in mech enginner, and got his MBA and PHD at MIT). So I need to ask sane people about this, He doesnt have patience to teach me at a sane pace and it pisses me the fuck off lol.

thanks again,

I want a lady on the street, but a freak in the bed, Go Bucks!!
 
Ambition:
Thanks Rothyman,

My dad has the textbooks (he has his CFA), but when I ask him how hard it is and shit, he just says that it took him 3 days to get ready for it (then again he did his BS in mech enginner, and got his MBA and PHD at MIT). So I need to ask sane people about this, He doesnt have patience to teach me at a sane pace and it pisses me the fuck off lol.

thanks again,

Your dad must be a genius. On average it takes 100-150 hours of studying. That comes out to 3-4 months averaging to something like 2-3hrs/day. Towards the end you'll step it up to 5-6 hours or more. The most important thing is question repetition. Get A LOT of practice questions and dedicate the last whole month to doing those. Take at least a few practice exams. Also, a study package is a must. The wrong way to study is to read word for word out of the CFAI books. I recommend schweser or analystnotes.

 

I see, thank you very much! But like the posters above said I can't register until my senior year so I have some time I guess.

I want a lady on the street, but a freak in the bed, Go Bucks!!
 

@rothyman, CFAI recommends a minimum of 250 hours of study. I passed Level I in June with about 225 hours of study with a finance background. I studied Schweser exclusively and didn't even take my CFAI books out of the box they were delivered in.

@Ambition, I'm sorry but your poppa did not pass it by prepping for 3 days, much less Levels II and III.

@monkolony, good luck! I gotta start studying for Level II in January. Not looking forward to it. Hopefully my banking offer comes in before then and I can push off the CFA for a few years!

My name is Nicky, but you can call me Dre.
 

@ aempirei,

Yea he passed lvl 1 by studying for 3 days. He already had his MBA in Finance though. So it was a very easy review for him.

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I just took the test today with three days studying. I probably could've used a few more days haha. I'll let you know come January how it turned out to see whether it's possible or not.

 
Funkfreed:
Studied for 2 weeks after junior year and passed >70 in all categories. It's ridiculously easy if you have a finance/accy background for level 1.

Do not listen to this retard.

Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into SWANSONS.
 

^^ haha well I guess you could but 14-16 hours a day for 14 days straight seems like hell, if you require 8 hours of sleep then you would just have 2 hours a day to run chores, eat, relax etc. Not possible to do 200 hours in 2 weeks for me.

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While I'm sure it's possible to study for 2 weeks and pass, I doubt most people can do it. Anyone who says that L1 is a cakewalk obviously hasn't taken it or is tooting their horn trying to cover up their own insecurities.

I had 2 roommates who were both Ivy League finance A+ students (one was president of the business school at a top 5), and they both put in at least 90-100 hours into the L1. They would not tell you it was a cakewalk. There is just way too much material to memorize and NO, you don't learn all of it in undergrad finance. There are TONS of annoying bond yield conversions and small details that people don't 'naturally' know off the top of their head from being a finance major. That is the truth.

 

Agree with Rothyman - I just took it this past Saturday and find it very hard to believe anyone could pass with just a few weeks of study. While most of the material isn't particularly difficult, it's the breadth of the test that really makes it challenging.

There's just a huge amount of material that they can test you on - so you can focus on a ton of concepts the test barely touches, and overlook small concepts that you do get tested on. Whenever you condense that much material to only 240 questions - there's always an element of luck in how what you know aligns to what you're tested on.

 

Exactly. There is nearly 3000 pages of material. The material isn't overly challenging but any of the questions could be regarding one line of information that appeared on one of those 3000 pages.

I just have a hard time believing anyone could study in 2 weeks (much less 3 days) and retain all of the information.

I am still calling BS on this kid who says his dad passed on 3 days of study.

My name is Nicky, but you can call me Dre.
 
aempirei:
Exactly. There is nearly 3000 pages of material. The material isn't overly challenging but any of the questions could be regarding one line of information that appeared on one of those 3000 pages.

I just have a hard time believing anyone could study in 2 weeks (much less 3 days) and retain all of the information.

I am still calling BS on this kid who says his dad passed on 3 days of study.

I CALL BS ON THIS WHOLE THREAD.

Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into SWANSONS.
 

I'm taking it...I'm pretty borderline, though. Making a final push. Shouldn't be on this board taking a break. Have a feeling I'll have to retake in June. I've studied about 150 hours but could use about 50 more.

 

Between my own case of Murphy's Law in action for the morning session and the shitshow that was this afternoon's portion, I'm surprised I survived it... only to find out that my friends changed up the plans that were already hatched (bring in food and drink heavily, since we're all in suburbia and don't feel like treking to hoboken/nyc for food and drinks [well more like me... again after today's exam]) to my one buddy saying screw you and going out with coworkers and the others changing the plans to prevent me from drinking heavily) leaving me with a seriously bonkers day and a bottle of rum all to myself.

God my non-finance friends suck major balls!

 

Yea I figured everyone else had the same opinion. Honestly I didn't prep that well but I felt like I had a pretty good chance at passing after the morning session. After the afternoon session... I'll be VERY lucky to pass. Everyone I talked to said the same. When we were done the guy next to me was like "dude... was it just me or was that afternoon session 100x harder?".

I was pressed for time so I seriously just guessed on 5 or 6 questions that required a lot of calculation.

iambateman... a few of us picked up a bottle on the way back to school and started the night off early. Good thing I wasn't driving.

 

I def. feel the same as most of you - Murdered the morning session, not so much on the afternoon. Overall, I feel like I probably scraped by...but guess I'll have to wait to find out for sure.

I was surprised by the amount of empty seats around me. In my section in CHI, there were literally like 2/3 of the seats empty...hopefully that accounts for the pass rate being so low, but I'm sure those people aren't included the grading curve.

 
 

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