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Uhh what? If auto FT offer would be such a decisive factor, I can also just go to Blair instead of GS. It doesn’t mean anything. I’d rather earn my FT offer than get it out of pity.
I think OP is more arguing the structural cultural differences between consulting & IB such that most firms in the former have decided to offer automatic ft vs very few in the latter.
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I agree with going to GS instead of Blair, but I don't give a shit about earning an offer lmao an offer is an offer.
Word lol. The whole point of an internship is to get a FT offer - if you can bypass that, then why the fuck not?
Unless you are a genuine case of someone ‘falling’ into the work, most people have a good understanding of the work and industry.
Giving automatic offers for consulting doesn’t make me want to pursue IB any less nor would automatic IB offers dissuade me from pursuing PE and so forth.
Like you acknowledged, MBB internships are way more selective than MBB full-time hiring. As a result, their return offer rates are typically around 95%. This means if all three firms gives FT offers (at this point, it's very unlikely Bain would) they overhired like 30-40 people (mostly MBA's) as a collective, across all offices in the country.
That's very different than banking, where internships are the main talent pipeline, and giving everyone an offer would be around a 50% increase in hires for some firms.
I think people in both consulting and banking are very aware of this reality and so while I totally understand that bankers are hopeful, it's unlikely that firms as prestigious as McKinsey are going to shift the way banks operate. The nature/purpose of the internship is different, and so are the talent numbers, and I think people know that.
You're right about the impact on reputation. Particularly in this economic state, Citi and Moelis are going to end up with some bonus points for the next few recruiting cycles
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This is a pretty solid take, not sure what the ms is all about.
UG and MBA IB recruiting are apples and oranges. No offense to anyone here, but in my previous role as an analyst it was pretty obvious our post-MBA associates were almost always second-tier candidates from their respective schools (often showing up with inflated sense of self, no previous finance experience or technical skills, etc.). It wouldn't surprise me at all to hear that top MBAs self select out and turn down offers from GS/MS for something with similar long-term upside and better lifestyle in the interim. UG recruiting really is, as others have said, the entry point for the best and brightest to access PE recruiting. Have never once spoken to an analyst who went into banking as a serious long-term career - although some do end up changing their minds along the way.
As someone planning to go to B School and recruit for IB, I am not even mad at your description.
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Damn bro...sad to read. So what did your BB tell you?
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