LSE vs BOCCONI

Hey guys,

I am a 17 year old italian student and was currently admitted to Bocconis Bacherlor course "International Managment, Finance and Economics" and also at LSE for "Government and Economics", and I am now not sure which one to choose.

Firstly, I want to say that both interest me very much- economics, is what interests me most, but I was always also intrestet in politics ect.... In the future I will hope to eigher to find a job in the business or finance world (Whod have thunkt?:)), although at the moment I would rather go in the finance world because I believe it suits me better (but who knows, in a few years this may has changed).

However, I dont really know what is better. LSE is obviously the better university, but maybe bocconis course is better. What do you thing employers prefer? (when choosing for example who to admitt for an internship at a bank)

Furthermore, I will surely need to do a MBA or something similiar afterwards, and was wondering if unis are more likely to admitt someone from LSE with a degree in government and economics or someone from bocconi with a more businesslike course. (I would obviously also get MUCH higher marks at bocconi)

Thanks in advance,

Francesco

Comments (33)

Mar 8, 2010

If you are planning to ever come out of Italy, go to LSE. It's a no brainer!!
London IBs won't be very interested in getting an undergrad from Bocconi, when they can get as many MSc Finance and MSc Coporate Finance as they want. Even in those two programs (which are supposed to get the best guys from the undergrad) only 15-20% will manage to get a job in the City. LSE will give you a much higher chance without even having to do a master.
In terms of reputation, think that most people in New York, Dubai or Hong Kong now about LSE, whereas almost nobody will know about Bocconi.

Mar 9, 2010
dacasale:

If you are planning to ever come out of Italy, go to LSE. It's a no brainer!!
London IBs won't be very interested in getting an undergrad from Bocconi, when they can get as many MSc Finance and MSc Coporate Finance as they want. Even in those two programs (which are supposed to get the best guys from the undergrad) only 15-20% will manage to get a job in the City. LSE will give you a much higher chance without even having to do a master.
In terms of reputation, think that most people in New York, Dubai or Hong Kong now about LSE, whereas almost nobody will know about Bocconi.

Do London IB's put greater emphasis on recruiting from the Bocconi MSc Fin than its undergrad program? Is this b/c Bocconi undergrad is only 3 years and most motivated students supplement it with the 2 year MSc afterwards?

also, where do the other 80% end up working? Milan? ( I can imagine that a lot of the eastern europeans who study there return to there home countries)

Mar 8, 2010

Only a fool would choose Bocconi over LSE. Your major isn't really that important, aslong as its not something like "Gender Studies"

Mar 9, 2010
LLcoolJ:

Only a fool would choose Bocconi over LSE. Your major isn't really that important, aslong as its not something like "Gender Studies"

This

Bocconi is wonderful for finance, and is well-represented in the City and well-known throughout Europe, BUT LSE is LSE- it's internationally known and located in the heart of London.

Besides, you don't need to take economics/fin undergrad to do you IB (even though it is helpful for interviews)

Now, if you are interested in working in London OR Milan, then I suppose Bocconi is the sure bet.

Mar 9, 2010

Not true. Bocconi is extremely well-regarded for having a rigorous and technical program... It's absolutely a top school in Europe.

As long as the hiring climate is not terrible when you finish, you should have your choice if you graduate with good scores (i.e. hons) from either school.

On the MBA comment, this is not true. MBAs are not as necessary in Europe as in the US and many people have great banking careers with an undergrad degree or an MSc only (most people in Europe do some kind of masters degree)...

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Mar 9, 2010
LeatherPantz1:

Not true. Bocconi is extremely well-regarded for having a rigorous and technical program... It's absolutely a top school in Europe.

As long as the hiring climate is not terrible when you finish, you should have your choice if you graduate with good scores (i.e. hons) from either school.

On the MBA comment, this is not true. MBAs are not as necessary in Europe as in the US and many people have great banking careers with an undergrad degree or an MSc only (most people in Europe do some kind of masters degree)...

I don't think anyone is claiming that Bocconi doesn't have a good reputation for finance, they are just claiming that LSE has a better reputation, which is true.

It's like comparing an excellent school like Michigan to Harvard: there is nothing wrong with going to Michigan, but if you get the opportunity to go to Harvard, do it!

Mar 9, 2010

Thanks for your answers! I am tending towards LSE, simply because it is an opportunity which is given only to a very small amount of people. Bocconi is a good uni, but I feel loosing a chance if I dont go to LSE.

I would only like to ask some more little questions? Firstly, can anyone tell me the importance of the course, if I want to work directly after my bachelor, and the importance of the final mark of the uni if I instead want to do a master? Secondly, can someone tell me out of experience how tuff LSE is and atmosphere is like there (e.g. competative, arrogant..)? Finally, what are the costs of living for a student in London approximately?

Thanks in advance

Mar 9, 2010
francesco.olivieri:

Thanks for your answers! I am tending towards LSE, simply because it is an opportunity which is given only to a very small amount of people. Bocconi is a good uni, but I feel loosing a chance if I dont go to LSE.

I would only like to ask some more little questions? Firstly, can anyone tell me the importance of the course, if I want to work directly after my bachelor, and the importance of the final mark of the uni if I instead want to do a master? Secondly, can someone tell me out of experience how tuff LSE is and atmosphere is like there (e.g. competative, arrogant..)? Finally, what are the costs of living for a student in London approximately?

Thanks in advance

London is a bit more expensive than Mila
most masters and employers look for a minimum grade of 2:1
if you are doing a bachelors, the coursework is not as important as your grades and your school
that being said, doing an economics or finance degree will certainly give you an advantage for recruiting

Mar 9, 2010

what do you mean with "your school"?

Mar 9, 2010

what do you mean with "your school"?

Mar 9, 2010

what do you mean with "your school"?

Mar 9, 2010

what do you mean with "your school"?

Mar 9, 2010

what do you mean with "your school"?

Mar 9, 2010

sry, my internet was loading so slow, that I clicked a few times to often

Mar 9, 2010

"your school", i.e. the university that you attend (or rather, it's reputation).

Mar 10, 2010

Very simple and hopefully last question:Do you guys think if I want a job as banker (directly after bachelor), they will take one from LSE with that course (government and economics) or one from Bocconi with a more economic based course
-maybe having a slightly higher grade at bocconi since its easier there..

Mar 10, 2010

As much as I hate to say it, there are only four schools outside of the US that are easily recognized at most NYC banks:

1.) Indian Institute of Technology/Indian Institute of Management.
2.) Oxford
3.) Cambridge
4.) LSE

(There are many other very good schools, but they aren't targeted by finance firms in the US.) LSE is recognized pretty globally by most people in finance; you can't say the same thing for Bocconi.

Do you guys think if I want a job as banker (directly after bachelor), they will take one from LSE with that course (government and economics) or one from Bocconi with a more economic based course
-maybe having a slightly higher grade at bocconi since its easier there..

One of my coworkers in sales & trading during my summer internship was a Gov't and Econ major from LSE. I did not have any coworkers from Bocconi, although this was in the US.

Apr 26, 2010

Hi everybody,

I am in pretty similar situation, i have to choose between Bocconi (bachelor taught in english) and LSE (bachelor of management), but the thing is that i have already spent one year at Bocconi, since i've been unsuccesful at lse last year. .

I know LSE is the best, but I have good results so far (28/30), and i'm wondering if the difference is worth loosing a year, and sart again a first year at lse?
Thanks!

Apr 26, 2010

I'm probably not qualified to give you advice since I didn't go to either school so take this with a grain of salt:
Bocconi is a great school and I see the advantage of studying away from home. Furthermore, if you are dedicated enough you will have a very good chance of getting a job in London/ getting into a good masters degree.
However, if you want to work in London, I would surely take LSE. I think it will be much easier to get an internship between the bachelor and the masters and I think it will be easier to get into a masters programme at LSE which is perfect if you're looking to work in London.
Furthermore, going abroad is a great experience. I did my bachelor degree abroad and left home when I was 18. I was not really ready for it but quickly grew into it and it really helped me grow up. I think this experience will be worth its weight in gold. I would definitely go for LSE.

Apr 26, 2010

The exit opportunities in finance coming from the LSE are (almost surely) better than any other school in Europe including Oxford and Cambridge.

The LSE is right in the middle of London, so it's incredibly easy for every bank and hedge fund in the city to recruit there. I went to the LSE, and my classmates work at all of the top banks (despite having graduated during the financial crisis) and hedge funds. And beyond recruiting for just the London offices, some of the banks (Citi, BAML, and Barclays off the top of my head) have special recruiting programmes for their New York offices for students at the LSE. Moreover, if you're interested in the buy side, the LSE hosts the world's largest student investment conference, with big names attending each year (think head of Blackstone, head of KKR, head of Carlyle, Soros himself, etc.).

In a similar vein, the LSE easily has the best speaker series in the world. I can't tell you how many presidents of countries I saw speak at the LSE (at least a dozen). Or how many times Soros spoke. Or Taleb. If they're going to be in London (those sorts of people are from time to time), and they're going to give a speech, they're going to give it at the LSE. It takes no effort for them to get there, so it's not a huge commitment for them.

Anyway, if you get in, I'd go to the LSE.

Good luck!

Apr 26, 2010

Thanks for the two answers!(to brotherbear:) I was thinking the same thing.. but did your classmates you talked about do a master or just a bachelor? because for a master I would of course go to LSE. the question was if it would be easier to get accepted for a Master degree at a top university like LSE by going first to a university like bocconi were it would be maybe easier to get high marks and if it would also be better to have the master and bachelor degree from two diffrent universities....by the way, when u were at the LSE, have you got to know others that were only 17 when they started?

Apr 26, 2010

LSE, as you'll also actively improve your english while you're there

Apr 26, 2010

*tthanks for the 3 answers!

Apr 26, 2010

17-18 is a normal age to start undergrad in Europe. I know people who have started their masters at age 18. Others who are on their masters at 25. Ultimately doesn't really matter. It depends on where your parents sent you for grade school and on your individual preferneces. Bear in mind that people know it is much easier to get high grades in Italy than in other countries, and there is also a perception outside Italy that grades are "bought" about as commonly as they are earned. Admissions committees are aware of this, and make adjustments to your graduate school application accordingly.

In Europe and North America reputation of LSE is significantly better than reputation of Bocconi FYI. Only in Italy would I expect these two schools to be seen as roughly the same level.

Apr 26, 2010

Hi Giovanni, I think this thread may help you. I am a masters student at LSE and my friend (the thread starter) is at LSE. I would suggest choosing LSE since you have a good chance a top job.

http://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/lse-or-bocco...

Apr 26, 2010

I have attended Bocconi for a semester as part of my Erasmus program. There are great things about Bocconi:

1- Best Business School in Italy as well as a reference in Europe
2 - Great variety of subjects to choose from (from Bond and Equity Offering to Management Consulting)
3 - Apart from some subjects I found it easier than my (then) home university
4 - All the largest IB go there for recruiting (GS, JPM, MS), since many of them have offices in Milan
5 - The great majority of Italian bankers in London come from Bocconi (great networking potential)

I cant speak about LSE for my self but I do know a friend who did studied there for a summer or something and he really liked it.

That said, I believe that if you want to work in London, attending LSE will probably give you a head start since you are closer to a greater range of potential recruiters.

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